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| Travis__ | I tried out school tool | 00:59 |
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| Travis__ | its intresting | 01:00 |
| Travis__ | but I found the menu layout a little bad | 01:00 |
| Travis__ | its hard to find stuff | 01:00 |
| Travis__ | I think when you click on persons for example, it the actions should come out right under it like in smaller text instead of having actions at the very end of the menu | 01:04 |
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| Travis__ | its kind of does a different thing then I thought | 01:12 |
| Travis__ | I thought it would be kind of like Centre with a better interface and no fees for modules | 01:13 |
| Travis__ | it gets part of that | 01:14 |
| Travis__ | but the product is great and shows much potential | 01:20 |
| Travis__ | think what bothers me is the wording of stuff | 01:29 |
| Travis__ | the rest is awesome | 01:29 |
| Travis__ | but like courses sections etc. | 01:29 |
| Travis__ | it needs to be clarified what exactly they are | 01:30 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5675: | 05:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Implemented a new breadcrumb API that allows us to alter the name more easily. By default the title is used if found. Then it will fall back to the name. | 05:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Overall I hope that this will improve or at least help to improve the breadcrumbs. | 05:09 |
| th1a | srichter: Did I forget to put sample data in the gradebook proposal? | 05:09 |
| th1a | I think I did. | 05:09 |
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| srichter | th1a: yeah, sample data was not part of the proposal | 14:23 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: where is the adapter IPerson(request.principal) defined? | 15:04 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5676: | 15:05 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Add options that Tom requested to SectionSampleData generation plugin. | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | srichter, schooltool.app.security | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | Principal.__conform__ | 15:10 |
| srichter | ahh, thanks | 15:11 |
| srichter | oh, that will be nice because I might not even need to register the adapter then | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | yep, that's very convenient for unit tests | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | although, I believe, __conform__ takes precedence over the adapter machinery, so you can't really override that adapter | 15:14 |
| srichter | I think that's right | 15:14 |
| srichter | btw, I *love* the zope.app.keyreference package | 15:16 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5677: | 15:39 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Incorporated Marius' suggestions as applicable. | 15:39 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5678: | 15:41 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Forgot to correct an English twister. | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | srichter, almost | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | but not quite | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | you have to use calendar.expand and figure out the timezone to set the date boundaries correctly | 15:49 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5679: | 15:55 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Indentation fix. | 15:55 |
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| th1a | OK, guess we're meeting tomorrow. | 16:18 |
| srichter | I am here | 16:21 |
| srichter | :-) | 16:21 |
| th1a | It looks like it is warming up a bit in Vilnius... +4 F. | 16:22 |
| srichter | oh, it's nice there | 16:22 |
| srichter | luckily we are getting some winter today as well | 16:22 |
| th1a | I think alga and mgedmin went swimming. | 16:22 |
| srichter | he he, on ice? | 16:22 |
| th1a | You can make a hole. | 16:23 |
| srichter | at those temperatures it won't be open for long | 16:29 |
| th1a | True. That's why you need a couple warm bodies in the hole. | 16:29 |
| srichter | lol | 16:29 |
| srichter | th1a: did you see the breadcrumb checkin | 16:32 |
| th1a | I had a busy weekend... big Steelers game. | 16:32 |
| srichter | yeah, they played really well | 16:33 |
| srichter | so did Seattle | 16:33 |
| srichter | I think the superbowl might be quiet good this year | 16:33 |
| th1a | Should be a good Super Bowl. | 16:33 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:33 |
| srichter | though I am in Europe of course :-( | 16:33 |
| th1a | My goal for the day is to put some screenshots of the recent work on the website. | 16:35 |
| srichter | ok | 16:35 |
| th1a | And go over the gradebook work. | 16:52 |
| srichter | th1a: do you know whether there is an API call for getting all students of a section? | 17:05 |
| th1a | I don't know offhand. | 17:06 |
| th1a | srichter: I may end up giving your gradebook a real life test sooner than we thought. | 17:29 |
| srichter | th1a: oh oh, how? | 17:31 |
| th1a | I've been stuck doing the grades for my old school, since they were dependent on my homebrew Zope system before. | 17:32 |
| th1a | I thought they'd have something else in place this semester, but I just got an email from the Principal that suggests not. | 17:33 |
| srichter | so we need weights, etc? | 17:33 |
| th1a | No. | 17:33 |
| th1a | They just need some way to pass the final scores to me. | 17:33 |
| th1a | We've used spreadsheets the past year. | 17:34 |
| th1a | It is a simple case. | 17:34 |
| srichter | so you would need a spreadsheet export? | 17:35 |
| th1a | No, I'd just have them enter the scores into a ST gradebook. | 17:35 |
| th1a | And then generate reports from that. | 17:35 |
| srichter | I see | 17:36 |
| th1a | Yes. Actually this use case is closer to CanDo than a gradebook. | 17:37 |
| th1a | But I'd rather use the Gradebook. | 17:37 |
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| clarkk | just thought I'd barge in and say I'd like to see some new screenshots | 17:47 |
| clarkk | I don't have time to build the latest SchoolTool, so a screenshot or two would be nice to see | 17:48 |
| th1a | That's what I've been thinking. | 17:48 |
| clarkk | reading the irc logs it looks like things are progressing fairly quickly; that's really good to see | 17:51 |
| th1a | Things are speeding up. | 17:51 |
| clarkk | Have any pilot schools started testing it yet? | 17:52 |
| th1a | There are some schools informally using the calendaring, but that's it. | 17:57 |
| th1a | Well, and CanDo, which is a competency tracking system built on SchoolTool, | 17:57 |
| th1a | which is in production use in some schools in Virginia. | 17:57 |
| clarkk | Well, thanks for the update and I look forward to seeing some new screenshots. | 18:04 |
| th1a | I'll try to get some up tonight. | 18:04 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5680: | 18:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: First experiments with a dashboard. Nothing much is done yet; so don't include it in the release yet; it's missing tests and some direction. | 18:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: http://localhost:7080/@@dashboard.html | 18:59 |
| srichter | th1a: are you there? | 19:10 |
| th1a | Yes, chatting with Helen from TSF. | 19:11 |
| srichter | ok | 19:11 |
| srichter | th1a: I am starting to write up a basic list of requirements for the entire term and flow integration | 19:20 |
| th1a | Cool. | 19:20 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 19:21 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5681: | 21:31 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Fixed a typo. | 21:31 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5682: | 21:32 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Add homeroom periods to school timetable generated by sample data. | 21:32 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: are you there? | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | srichter, yes | 22:11 |
| srichter | mgedmin: wanna chat about archiving a bit? :-) | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | I'm not feeling mentally up to it | 22:11 |
| srichter | ok | 22:11 |
| * mgedmin 's brain is tired | 22:11 | |
| srichter | I suggest going to bed :-) | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | oh, it's already 22 pm here | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | um, that's 10 pm | 22:12 |
| srichter | yep | 22:12 |
| srichter | I understand 22:00 well | 22:12 |
| srichter | th1a: are you there? | 22:13 |
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| th1a | I'm here now. | 22:26 |
| th1a | srichter. | 22:26 |
| srichter | th1a: hi | 22:27 |
| srichter | I just need some more brainstorming to solidify ideas | 22:27 |
| srichter | Can I sedn you what I have and then we chat about it a little bit? | 22:27 |
| th1a | Looks like I'm going to be spending the rest of the week setting up gradebooks for the school here. | 22:28 |
| th1a | Go ahead. | 22:28 |
| srichter | ok | 22:28 |
| * srichter is nerveous | 22:28 | |
| th1a | Nervous? | 22:28 |
| srichter | about you using the gradebook so soon after creation :-) | 22:29 |
| th1a | Well, everything I've done at school was written immediately before it was needed, plus I didn't know what I was doing. | 22:30 |
| th1a | So it is nothing new. | 22:30 |
| srichter | he he | 22:30 |
| srichter | file should be there | 22:30 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:31 |
| th1a | Reading... | 22:31 |
| th1a | I'd say something like "the archiving API is used to archive objects that are inactive, such as sections that have been completed or students who have withdrawn or graduated." | 22:33 |
| srichter | ok | 22:35 |
| srichter | (fixed) | 22:35 |
| th1a | I think your discussion of multiple term structures is unclear. | 22:36 |
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| srichter | (note that I just brain-dumped info from Friday's meeting.) | 22:37 |
| th1a | Yes, I understand. | 22:37 |
| srichter | I still think the whole story is not coherent enough | 22:37 |
| th1a | Did we ever get you to install Gobby? | 22:37 |
| th1a | We could try that. | 22:37 |
| srichter | th1a: are you referring to the text below the term tree? | 22:37 |
| th1a | Yes. | 22:37 |
| srichter | let me see whether I can find a Mandrake RPM of Gobby | 22:37 |
| th1a | It seems to me that there will have to be a way for plug ins to register their archiving behavior, although that doesn't have to work yet. | 22:45 |
| srichter | can you give me use cases? | 22:46 |
| srichter | I want to capture it at least | 22:46 |
| th1a | For example, do commendations need to be archived? | 22:46 |
| th1a | They probably don't actually, | 22:46 |
| th1a | but if they did, would they need to indicate that to some other part of the system, | 22:47 |
| th1a | Say you wanted to archive commendations whenever the student who was commended became inactive. | 22:47 |
| th1a | Hypothetically. | 22:47 |
| srichter | right | 22:48 |
| srichter | good point | 22:48 |
| th1a | Or perhaps you'd have an end of year routine that plug-ins could register with. | 22:48 |
| th1a | You wouldn't need an event to archive commendations exactly when the student withdrew, | 22:48 |
| srichter | well, I think we will definitely fire special end of term events | 22:49 |
| th1a | but at the end of the year you'd sweep through the commendations and see which ones were inactive. | 22:49 |
| th1a | I think archiving can generally be an annual event. | 22:49 |
| th1a | Well, for non-core things. | 22:50 |
| th1a | Sections need to become inactive, students need to withdraw at an exact point. | 22:50 |
| srichter | right | 22:51 |
| srichter | ok, I think I got gobby installed after getting a bunch of packages from cooker | 22:51 |
| srichter | ok, how can we make this work? | 22:51 |
| srichter | I am behind a router, so it would be hard for me to start a session | 22:52 |
| th1a | Port fowarding? | 22:53 |
| th1a | I can try hosting it. | 22:53 |
| srichter | yeah, but I dunno how to do it without looking at it | 22:53 |
| srichter | let me try | 22:53 |
| srichter | ok, my routers Web UI seems to amke it easy | 22:55 |
| srichter | try this: 65.96.179.50 on port 6522 | 22:56 |
| srichter | th1a: still there? | 22:57 |
| th1a | I'm back. | 22:58 |
| srichter | try above IP and port with gobby | 22:58 |
| th1a | Trying... | 22:59 |
| th1a | Seg fault. | 22:59 |
| th1a | Oh well. | 22:59 |
| srichter | which version do you have? | 22:59 |
| srichter | I have 0.3 | 22:59 |
| th1a | I have 0.2.2. | 23:00 |
| srichter | can you get a lter one? | 23:00 |
| th1a | Well, it doesn't look like it would be a time SAVING process at this point. | 23:02 |
| th1a | I think I should just make some edits and send the draft back to you. | 23:03 |
| srichter | ok, please dumb anything you can come up with | 23:03 |
| srichter | s/dumb/dump | 23:05 |
| th1a | OK. Give me 45 minutes or so. | 23:05 |
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| srichter | ok | 23:12 |
| srichter | th1a: wanna try another collaborative text editor? | 23:39 |
| srichter | go to moonedit.com | 23:39 |
| th1a | I'm typing away... is it an online tool? | 23:40 |
| th1a | Web based? | 23:40 |
| srichter | it is no fancy deb file, but it works well | 23:40 |
| srichter | no, real editor | 23:40 |
| th1a | I don't want to stop and mess with it. | 23:40 |
| srichter | ok | 23:40 |
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| th1a | srichter: Almost done... | 23:55 |
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