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| tvon | th1a: Who should I talk to about CanDo svn on schooltool.org? | 02:09 |
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| th1a | tvon: I guess you should talk to bskahan. | 04:39 |
| tvon | th1a: ok | 04:45 |
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| dwoo | Anyone here that can answer my questions? | 17:16 |
| srichter | yep | 17:17 |
| dwoo | Yay! Okay, I'm on a computer running Breezy Badger, and I'd like to run my own instance of schooltool. What packages do I have to get? | 17:18 |
| bskahan_ | dwoo: apt-get install schooltool should work | 17:21 |
| dwoo | Can I get away with only getting libschooltool? | 17:22 |
| th1a | dwoo: Nope. | 17:45 |
| dwoo | Okay. Thank you very much. | 17:47 |
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| th1a | bskahan: Does PloneHelpCenter work (in general)? | 18:34 |
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| tvon | th1a: since he seems afk, yes it does | 19:29 |
| tvon | a good example of it in action is http://www.plone.org/documentation | 19:29 |
| th1a | tvon: thanks. | 19:40 |
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| alga | th1a: I'd like to chat about http://issues.schooltool.org/issue367 | 20:32 |
| alga | er, hi :-) | 20:32 |
| th1a | Hey. | 20:34 |
| th1a | I don't really understand what he's talking about. | 20:35 |
| th1a | Does this bug make sense to you? | 20:35 |
| th1a | alga | 20:36 |
| alga | AFAIU if you enable timetable calendars for yourself and for all groups you belong to you get dupes | 20:37 |
| alga | but that's expected behaviour | 20:38 |
| alga | AFAIU | 20:38 |
| th1a | OK. So I've never understood why you'd want to subscribe to timetables for groups. | 20:38 |
| th1a | This is one of those things that I could never understand via the low bandwidth of IRC conversation, so I just gave up and figured there must be some good reason. | 20:40 |
| alga | you have no other way to see timetable of a group | 20:44 |
| alga | If someone needs to find out where and when the group is meeting | 20:45 |
| th1a | Oh, if somebody else wants to see the timetable. | 20:45 |
| alga | yes | 20:46 |
| th1a | I hadn't thought about it from that perspective. | 20:46 |
| th1a | OK, I'm going to throw out some ideas. | 20:46 |
| th1a | Don't tear your hair out, because we're not going to do anything major to fix this. | 20:47 |
| alga | perhaps hiding dupe events is a good idea | 20:47 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 4932: | 20:47 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Move getAllDayEvents() from CalendarViewBase to DailyCalendarView. Erradicate it's use in monthly and weekly templates. Refactor view templates. | 20:47 |
| alga | I hope it will be easy to implement | 20:47 |
| th1a | I would say that ideally, when you look at a *group* calendar itself, it simply integrates the group's timetable. | 20:48 |
| th1a | Hrm... | 20:48 |
| th1a | No. | 20:48 |
| th1a | I guess I see the problem. | 20:48 |
| th1a | How about this, by default, your own timetable is active, and when you add a group overlay, its calendar is active by default, but its timetable is off by default. | 20:49 |
| alga | +1 | 20:49 |
| th1a | OK. I think that's best. | 20:49 |
| alga | I had other questions | 20:50 |
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| th1a | Go ahead. | 20:52 |
| th1a | top | 20:52 |
| th1a | Oops. | 20:52 |
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| alga | netstat -tlp | 20:54 |
| alga | :) | 20:54 |
| alga | pips's example | 20:55 |
| alga | it's a weekly schedule, but it has quirks we don't support | 20:55 |
| alga | like differences on odd/even weeks | 20:55 |
| alga | and something starting only from Q2 of term | 20:55 |
| alga | do I have to think about that anyway? | 20:56 |
| alga | or do we only pay attention to the level/section/course/persons import aspect? | 20:56 |
| th1a | From pip's spreadsheet? | 20:58 |
| th1a | I didn't notice the schedule weirdness. | 20:58 |
| th1a | So that isn't what I was thinking of. | 21:00 |
| th1a | I was just thinking about the import aspect. | 21:00 |
| alga | my workarounds: | 21:02 |
| alga | display odd/even week events as conflicting | 21:02 |
| alga | with notes that they apply on odd or even weeks | 21:02 |
| alga | for things starting mid-semester, create separate terms for the start and for the rest of semester | 21:03 |
| alga | maybe spring-2005-q1, spring-2005-q2, etc | 21:03 |
| alga | as for odd/even, the correct solution is a biweekly tt model | 21:04 |
| th1a | Can you email Philipp about this? | 21:04 |
| alga | the problems would arise when it would go like: | 21:04 |
| alga | odd, even, odd, even, vacation, odd, even | 21:04 |
| alga | OK | 21:04 |
| alga | next question | 21:05 |
| alga | for FHS tt model | 21:05 |
| alga | I'd suggest providing a browser add view that adds your hardwired model | 21:05 |
| th1a | I doubt we'll spend time really fixing pip's schedule issues, but he should let us know if our workarounds will be adequate. | 21:05 |
| th1a | OK. | 21:06 |
| alga | and providing a restive view that can import any ttschema with that model | 21:06 |
| alga | the restive view is relatively cheap to implement | 21:06 |
| alga | and it does provide flexibility to change the parameters easily | 21:07 |
| alga | (easily = by modifying XML) | 21:07 |
| alga | what do you think? | 21:08 |
| th1a | I guess that sounds reasonable. | 21:09 |
| th1a | You should also be able to import the XML from a web form. | 21:09 |
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| alga | I'd hate that... Invoking the RESTive view from the browser... hm... | 21:16 |
| alga | we have this RESTive client for that | 21:16 |
| alga | next question: Ignas and Marius are talking about some technical debt | 21:17 |
| alga | we have some sloppy partially untested code | 21:17 |
| th1a | OK, well, I'm just saying that I don't want someone to create some XML and have to go out of their way to figure out how to PUT or POST it to the server. | 21:17 |
| th1a | If they can just put it in the filesystem that would be ok. | 21:18 |
| alga | things like all day support | 21:19 |
| alga | timezone support | 21:19 |
| alga | they want to spend some time repaying the debts | 21:20 |
| th1a | That's ok with me. | 21:20 |
| th1a | How much time? | 21:20 |
| alga | Unclear yet | 21:20 |
| alga | I'm thinking a couple of days | 21:20 |
| th1a | That sounds fine. | 21:21 |
| alga | a related issue. we're getting paid for features, so the issue tracker gets pretty much abandoned | 21:21 |
| th1a | Correct. | 21:22 |
| alga | noone of the developers consistently triages new issues and fixes the easy ones | 21:22 |
| th1a | I have a hard time managing it. | 21:22 |
| alga | perhaps we should include some bugtracker time in the proposals? | 21:22 |
| th1a | I agree. | 21:22 |
| th1a | This goes along with having you guys merge in branches from other developers. | 21:23 |
| alga | OK | 21:24 |
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| th1a | :q | 21:34 |
| th1a | erm. | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | it's spelled /quit here ;) | 21:36 |
| th1a | I'm trying this thing that should let me control my Linux box from my Mac keyboard, but it is getting me confused. | 21:39 |
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| bskahan_ | alga: for issues related to timezone/allday features that aren't tested, if you tell me what they are I'll fix them as bugs against old work | 21:50 |
| bskahan_ | all that was supposed to be tested, so if its not, its not done | 21:50 |
| bskahan_ | should that be done in the trunk or against the refactor branch? | 21:52 |
| th1a | Well, they definitely will need to be in the new trunk (i.e., the refactor branch) | 21:57 |
| th1a | Backporting is a judgement call. | 21:58 |
| bskahan_ | ok, I'll start looking over that stuff in the refactor branch and adding tests for it | 21:59 |
| bskahan_ | in cases that lack them | 21:59 |
| ignas | srichter, ping | 22:01 |
| srichter | pong | 22:03 |
| srichter | yep, I would prefer all new work to be done on the refactor branch | 22:04 |
| srichter | this will also give the code some testing | 22:04 |
| ignas | srichter, why aren't tests on your branch passing ? | 22:05 |
| srichter | they should be all passing | 22:06 |
| srichter | which ones are failing? | 22:06 |
| srichter | (note that the branch requires Py 2.4) | 22:06 |
| ignas | pdfcals | 22:06 |
| srichter | mmh, I tested this | 22:06 |
| srichter | it works for me | 22:06 |
| ignas | >>> calendar = Person().calendar ? | 22:07 |
| srichter | ok, that's not right | 22:07 |
| srichter | I'll look at it again | 22:07 |
| srichter | ICalendar(Persion()) | 22:07 |
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| ignas | bskahan, if you want to do something extremly usefull you could write a test that functionally tests allday events, ordinary events, recurrent allday events, recurrent ordinary events in daily,weekly,monthly and yearly calendar views | 22:11 |
| ignas | like checking that they appear in the calendar on the right day and have the right time span and title | 22:12 |
| bskahan_ | ignas: ok | 22:15 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 4933: | 22:15 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: svn merge -r 4921:4922 svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/trunk/schoolbell svn merge -r 4931:4932 svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/branches/alga-sb-optimization/ | 22:15 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Merged optimization changes into srichters refactor branch. Both had to be merged, because the first one actually breaks functionality (which indicates a missing test) | 22:15 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 4934: | 22:24 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: svn merge -r 4931:4932 svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/branches/alga-sb-optimization | 22:24 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Merge changes from optimization branch. Fixes the bogus 4922 commit (i have accidentaly deleted code that was important at that time). | 22:24 |
| ignas | btw if you would check whether calendar views really look ok i'd be glad ... | 22:28 |
| ignas | because well i have refactored templates a lot, and tsts can't catch things that do not render right | 22:29 |
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