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| bskahan | we should switch to bazaar instead of svn with the new server ;) | 15:16 |
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| th1a | baz-ng! | 15:17 |
| th1a | I'm in Spain now, btw. | 15:17 |
| SteveA | baz-ng isn't really ready yet | 15:18 |
| SteveA | baz rocks, though | 15:19 |
| bskahan | set a read-only archive of the ST svn trunk at people.etria.com/~bskahan/arch with the archive bskahan@etria.com--archive | 15:20 |
| mgedmin | 6 months ago baz was incredibly s l o w | 15:22 |
| bskahan | seems ok today, creating the mirror took a bit longer than svn checkout | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | how long does 'baz status' take? | 15:23 |
| * SteveA tries | 15:25 | |
| bskahan | one sec, created the archive before I svn upped today, committing the svn updates now | 15:25 |
| SteveA | i'll try in a minute | 15:25 |
| SteveA | i can get the baz guys at canonical to bring in the svn tree with all its history | 15:26 |
| SteveA | if you really want to switch | 15:26 |
| SteveA | the only problem at the moment for some projects is the lack of win32 support | 15:26 |
| bskahan | I'd be interested in switching, but not until after 1.0/1.1 releases | 15:26 |
| bskahan | ... interested in looking into switching ... | 15:27 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: baz commit is noticably slower than svn commit | 15:27 |
| bskahan | SteveA: is anyone working on win32 support? | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, what version of baz do you use? | 15:29 |
| bskahan | whatever is in hoary | 15:29 |
| SteveA | there were a couple of sessions to look at win32 support at UDU | 15:29 |
| SteveA | i don't know what came of it though | 15:29 |
| * bskahan nods | 15:29 | |
| bskahan | is there OSX support? | 15:30 |
| SteveA | bazng will work on win32 | 15:30 |
| * mgedmin wants to wait for baz-ng | 15:30 | |
| SteveA | and baz will converge with bazng in due course | 15:30 |
| bskahan | the speed is still an issue, about 5x longer to baz commit than svn commit, where svn has to go over network to source.schooltool.org and baz is commiting locally | 15:32 |
| SteveA | it took 20s to do baz status on my launchpad tree just now | 15:33 |
| SteveA | it took 1m20s to do so just before that, but i'd come out of suspend, so all sorts of things weren't in ram | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | it takes 15s to do svn status of schooltool including Zope3, and less than 0.2s without Zope3 | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | I find those 15s absolutely unbearable | 15:34 |
| SteveA | the main thing with baz is the ease of working on branches | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | oh, my Zope 3 tree wasn't in cache | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | svn st of the whole st + z3 takes 1.2 seconds now | 15:37 |
| SteveA | that's comparable with bazng | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | the question is, does the ease of working on branches outweight the cumbersomeness of the user interface, general slowness, extreme usage of disk space (1gb in the never-automatically-cleaned revision library in a couple of days) and lack of robustness (try simultaneous baz commits in the same working tree)? | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | it probably does for launchpad (lots of developers, lots of branches, strict merge guidelines) | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | I do not think it does for schooltool | 15:40 |
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| bskahan | baz status 4.94s user 1.07s system 26% cpu 23.080 total | 15:49 |
| bskahan | svn st 0.05s user 0.02s system 2% cpu 2.729 total | 15:49 |
| SteveA | bskahan: run two of each of the commands in a row | 15:52 |
| bskahan | baz status 4.66s user 0.74s system 94% cpu 5.733 total | 15:53 |
| bskahan | svn st 0.08s user 0.03s system 74% cpu 0.152 total | 15:53 |
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| bskahan | currently schooltool has nothing like the old teaching facet | 16:20 |
| bskahan | a persons status as a teacher is determined by being in the URIInstructor role of a URIInstruction relationship | 16:21 |
| bskahan | I'm leaning towards adding instructor/learner annotations but wonder what people think those should look like | 16:22 |
| bskahan | I'm looking at a PersonView that distinguishes between instructors and learners, would anyone else have a use for that annotation? | 16:23 |
| alga | hey, bskahan | 16:30 |
| bskahan | hey | 16:30 |
| alga | what's a schedule on ISection? | 16:30 |
| bskahan | don't know | 16:30 |
| bskahan | ;) | 16:30 |
| bskahan | something that I can pull a meaningful time/date value from about when the section meets | 16:31 |
| alga | ok, so you don't mind if I ditch that? | 16:32 |
| bskahan | sections need to be identifiable as "Mr. Smith's sections of Biology that meets at some time" | 16:32 |
| alga | ah | 16:32 |
| bskahan | I thought I would use it to get the "some time" | 16:32 |
| alga | hm, but where does the timetable stand? | 16:32 |
| alga | they have to be synch'ed, right? | 16:33 |
| bskahan | the timetable could replace that | 16:33 |
| bskahan | no, that could be replaced with the timetable | 16:33 |
| bskahan | i left it vague intentionally because I wasn't sure what the timetable would provide | 16:33 |
| bskahan | I'm happy to ditch that attribute in favor of accessing the section's timetable directly | 16:34 |
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| alga | Now I think that composing titles out of section data is a bad idea | 16:43 |
| alga | it might be "Hoffman's English Mondays" | 16:44 |
| alga | but in a different school it might be described by some other terms | 16:44 |
| alga | might use teacher's first names, not surnames | 16:44 |
| alga | or the students' year rather than teacher's nane | 16:45 |
| alga | anyway, the system administrator might easily assign the "Hoffman English Mondays" title if he wants it | 16:46 |
| bskahan | true | 16:46 |
| bskahan | that would fix my 'section-of-, section-of-1' bug | 16:52 |
| bskahan | I'm going to pass it onto th1a before changing it though | 16:53 |
| alga | there might be some thing that goes over all sections and sets their titles according to the provided format once the relationships and timetables are set up | 16:55 |
| bskahan | I think that's a good idea | 16:59 |
| bskahan | its actually the section.label that I'm interested in more than the title | 16:59 |
| bskahan | the title could be set manually and the label could be generated | 17:00 |
| bskahan | since I made the seperate label property specifically to get the (teacher, course, time) tuple | 17:00 |
| bskahan | I only made the title autogenerated because its not really an important attribute and making it autogenerated speeds up the workflow for creating 5 sections of a course | 17:01 |
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| bskahan | http://www.pythonware.com/daily/index.htm | 18:36 |
| bskahan | somehow the schooltool 0.9 release ended up on todays daily python URLs | 18:37 |
| bskahan | ah, freshmeat update | 18:37 |
| FarcePest | it was a little weird to have a MySQLdb recipe come up on Planet Python last night | 18:37 |
| bskahan | heh | 18:43 |
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| tvon|x31 | I did freshmeat ages ago | 19:10 |
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| tvon|x31 | unless I'm on crack | 19:17 |
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| mgedmin | how are week numbers calculated when the user chooses to have weeks starting on Sundays? | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | same as usual, except that Sunday is assigned to the week of the following Monday? | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | tvon|x31, bskahan: ? | 20:05 |
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| bskahan | yes | 20:32 |
| bskahan | aparently the chandler folks are working on CalDAV for their next release | 20:33 |
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