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| bskahan | ignas: has there been any discussion about moving schoolbell.relationship into zope core? | 15:45 |
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| ignas | bskahan, guess no, why would one want to do that ? | 15:50 |
| bskahan | seems like a generically useful component | 15:50 |
| ignas | well i think so too, yet would zope get any real benefit out from it ? | 15:57 |
| ignas | the ones writing zope projectswould ;) | 15:57 |
| bskahan | heh | 16:02 |
| * jinty is hoping one day to install the schoolbell module under the zope so that other projects can use it. At least on debian. | 16:06 | |
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| bskahan | was resource booking in 1.0? | 17:32 |
| * bskahan gets confused what was in the release vs. what's in the tree. | 17:32 | |
| th1a | No. | 17:33 |
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| bskahan | thanks | 17:36 |
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| bskahan | tvon: hey | 18:16 |
| tvon | bskahan: howdy | 18:17 |
| tvon | dammit, I re-broke the logo in IE when I scaled it | 18:17 |
| bskahan | logo needs some artist love | 18:18 |
| tvon | and IE is so stupid about "transparent" | 18:18 |
| bskahan | the new smaller version looks blurry | 18:18 |
| tvon | I'll re-do it | 18:18 |
| tvon | to get rid of the blur, not for the artist love.. which I am incapable of | 18:19 |
| * bskahan nods | 18:19 | |
| th1a | I thought that SchoolBell 1.0 would work with Python 2.4. | 18:20 |
| bskahan | I did too | 18:20 |
| bskahan | it does | 18:20 |
| bskahan | you mean the mailing list comment? | 18:21 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 18:21 |
| * bskahan nods | 18:21 | |
| bskahan | I didn't realize python was difficult to set up on windows | 18:21 |
| th1a | It isn't... | 18:21 |
| th1a | Oh, I know, | 18:22 |
| th1a | it's because I made the binary with 2.3. | 18:22 |
| bskahan | ah | 18:22 |
| * tvon reads his commit log and wonders what 'marging' is | 18:22 | |
| tvon | damn I hate IE | 18:26 |
| bskahan | th1a: paper looks good | 18:31 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 18:31 |
| th1a | One thing that I've forgotten about is that we should probably reintroduce the distinction between regular resources and ones that are locations. | 18:42 |
| * bskahan agrees | 18:42 | |
| th1a | We really could cram a lot more data into the index views. | 18:52 |
| th1a | Little summaries of availability. | 18:52 |
| bskahan | tvon: | 18:53 |
| bskahan | er., weren't you saying something about index views? | 18:53 |
| tvon | for people/groups/resources | 18:58 |
| tvon | or "persons" | 18:59 |
| bskahan | yeah | 18:59 |
| bskahan | i know we were talking about them at some point | 18:59 |
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| Litlun | ? anybody there ? | 22:26 |
| th1a | Yes? | 22:26 |
| Litlun | is this http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/schooltool/2005-March/001138.html problem fixed already? | 22:26 |
| Litlun | or did I get everything correctly and is the trunk still broken | 22:27 |
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| th1a | Are you trying to run SchoolTool? | 22:29 |
| Litlun | yes | 22:29 |
| Litlun | looks interesting as an OSS python project to join | 22:29 |
| th1a | SchoolTool is still waiting for us to begin shifting it to Zope 3, so it is still in limbo, hopefully for only a few more days. | 22:30 |
| Litlun | ok | 22:30 |
| th1a | Check out SchoolBell. | 22:31 |
| Litlun | anything I can do to help? | 22:31 |
| gintas | we've been focussing on SchoolBell recently | 22:31 |
| gintas | I'm not even sure right now how broken SchoolTool is, as Zope 3 trunk is a moving target | 22:31 |
| Litlun | grin | 22:31 |
| gintas | shouldn't be that bad ;) | 22:32 |
| Litlun | is Bell in its own svn repository? | 22:32 |
| gintas | nope, I think in the same one as SchoolTool | 22:32 |
| th1a | But much of the ST code is on the verge of going into the scrap heap. | 22:32 |
| gintas | well, not exactly, but we will be refactoring lots of things | 22:33 |
| th1a | http://source.schooltool.org/svn/trunk/schoolbell/ | 22:33 |
| th1a | All the Twisted stuff will disappear. | 22:33 |
| Litlun | that won't be much of a loss (for me) | 22:33 |
| gintas | I don't think there's that much "Twisted stuff" | 22:34 |
| gintas | there's a module that deals with twisted, and we're using things that are obviously idiomatic in Twisted rather than Zope 3 | 22:35 |
| gintas | such things will change of course | 22:35 |
| th1a | Well, regardless, SchoolBell is a better representation of the direction development is going. | 22:35 |
| Litlun | checking it out currently | 22:35 |
| th1a | gintas: I think we'll be using Ruby on Rails by fall. | 22:35 |
| th1a | Better pre-order the O'Reilly manual. | 22:36 |
| gintas | ;) | 22:36 |
| gintas | nah, Ruby won't run on those cute new Nokia phones | 22:37 |
| bskahan | http://www.rubyonrails.com/ | 22:37 |
| bskahan | vs. | 22:37 |
| bskahan | http://www.zope.org | 22:37 |
| bskahan | zope has a marketing problem | 22:37 |
| th1a | Everyone has a marketing problem compared to 37 Signals. | 22:38 |
| th1a | Did you catch the quote from Jim I blogged about a lightweight Zope 3? | 22:39 |
| * bskahan nods | 22:39 | |
| bskahan | yeah, pretty happy about that | 22:39 |
| th1a | I was thinking that's what was needed. | 22:39 |
| ignas | th1a, what quote ? | 22:39 |
| th1a | I'd like to make it easier to use Zope 3 technologies without the full application server. I've started a new Bobo project that will make it easier for people to build small applications without ZCML. ZCML is really only appropriate for application servers, where you want to compine software in large pieces. | 22:40 |
| th1a | <that's Jim Fulton> | 22:40 |
| gintas | interesting | 22:40 |
| gintas | when I think "Zope without ZCML", I think "unit test setup" | 22:40 |
| bskahan | heh | 22:41 |
| th1a | Hm? | 22:41 |
| gintas | the latter one is a PITA as you might have found out | 22:41 |
| gintas | e.g., registering all kinds of components just to render a template | 22:41 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 22:42 |
| gintas | but I'm sure Jim didn't have that kind of thing in mind ;) | 22:42 |
| * bskahan wonders if unittesting is part of the rails culture | 22:42 | |
| th1a | It is. | 22:42 |
| th1a | Rails _is_ nice. That's why we're going to migrate everything to it soon. | 22:43 |
| th1a | The next implementation will be a keeper. I promise. | 22:43 |
| * bskahan wishes you wouldn't even joke | 22:43 | |
| gintas | th1a, you're scaring me | 22:44 |
| ignas | he is giving me creeps! | 22:44 |
| th1a | ;-) It takes more effort every time. | 22:44 |
| ignas | yet i don't know python yet, so learning ruby will not setme back that much | 22:44 |
| ignas | and the "learn programming" thingie i am always foreting ... | 22:45 |
| ignas | s/geting/getting | 22:45 |
| th1a | How do I know that ignas even exists. | 22:45 |
| th1a | Wasn't mgedmin experimenting with bots around the time he showed up? | 22:46 |
| bskahan | he was, actually | 22:46 |
| gintas | ignas, you won't learn that much more python than you already know | 22:46 |
| th1a | Coincidence? I think not. | 22:47 |
| th1a | ignas IS python. | 22:47 |
| ignas | nah, Common Lisp really ;) | 22:48 |
| * bskahan looks at rails trunk | 22:48 | |
| th1a | That's why it is such good AI. | 22:48 |
| gintas | ;)) | 22:48 |
| Litlun | got bell running at this moment, thanks for the help ;-) | 22:49 |
| ignas | guess i should commit myself into svn, just in case you know ;) | 22:49 |
| th1a | Actually, I think Ruby might have some appealing features to a Lisp hacker. | 22:49 |
| th1a | ignas: Good idea. | 22:49 |
| th1a | For some reason ignas's name makes me think of Natas Kaupas, which is probably the only Lithuanian name I've known since I was a kid. | 22:50 |
| th1a | Do you guys know who Natas Kaupas is? | 22:50 |
| * bskahan does | 22:50 | |
| gintas | I don't | 22:51 |
| ignas | me too ;) | 22:51 |
| th1a | I know bskahan does. | 22:51 |
| Litlun | I don't | 22:51 |
| ignas | i don'tk nkow I mean | 22:51 |
| th1a | He is very important. An innovator. | 22:51 |
| gintas | that's actually an odd name for a Lithuanian | 22:52 |
| th1a | I think he was born in the states. | 22:52 |
| th1a | He was a pioneer in using the "ollie" in street skateboarding. | 22:52 |
| * bskahan didn't know he was lithuanian | 22:52 | |
| th1a | I think it is a Lithuanian name... | 22:53 |
| gintas | what's an ollie? | 22:53 |
| bskahan | http://www.skateboardnaked.com/skateboardnaked_132.htm | 22:53 |
| th1a | It is where you pop the board up in the air without grabbing it. | 22:53 |
| gintas | well, it looks like one, but I've never heard of anyone with the name Natas before | 22:53 |
| ignas | well, his parents or grandparents were lithuanian if i understand correctly | 22:54 |
| * bskahan had that video in middle school | 22:54 | |
| ignas | and for my name - it translates into lati pretty straightforwardly :) | 22:54 |
| ignas | "ignis" | 22:55 |
| th1a | http://www.nndb.com/ancestry/858/000044726/ | 22:55 |
| ignas | s/lati/latin | 22:55 |
| th1a | Anthony Kiedis, Dick Butkis, Monica Lewinski, Charles Bronson... | 22:56 |
| th1a | I didn't know they were Lithuanian Americans. | 22:56 |
| th1a | Johnny Unitas. | 22:56 |
| gintas | Monika Levinskienė :))) | 22:56 |
| bskahan | I love the descriptions | 22:56 |
| th1a | Natas is Satan spelled backwards, which we always got a kick out of. | 22:56 |
| th1a | I was never convinced it was his real name, but apparently it is. | 22:57 |
| Litlun | ... the issue tracker at issues.schooltool.org, does it track -tool or -bell issues, or both ;-) | 22:58 |
| th1a | both | 22:58 |
| th1a | Seeing Natas Kaupas ollieing onto the bumper of a car on the cover of Thrasher changed my life. | 22:59 |
| ignas | gintas, na kaip ... ish motinos puses lietuve ... | 22:59 |
| ignas | oops | 22:59 |
| ignas | maternal line is lithuanian so ... not Levinskienė | 22:59 |
| th1a | The scales fell from my eyes. A whole world of possibility opened up. | 22:59 |
| th1a | It was a fucking revelation. | 22:59 |
| ignas | ok bye | 23:00 |
| th1a | Bye. | 23:00 |
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