IRC log of #schooltool for Friday, 2012-02-24

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* replaceafill wonders if we need the serif font for our reports...16:33
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* yvl shrugs16:36
replaceafilli guess i'll wait for vinny to finish his design16:36
th1aAt the same time?16:36
th1aWhat is the more general question?16:36
replaceafillth1a, it's just that for using the ubuntu font for the id cards, i've inserted the ubuntu fonts directory our path16:36
replaceafilli don't like that change very much16:37
replaceafillhaving liberations fonts AND ubuntu fonts16:37
replaceafillbut it's better this way, so i don't mess up existing reports16:37
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th1aWhat is wrong with it?16:38
replaceafillit makes me uncomfortable, that's all :D16:39
replaceafilland i'm not sure if menesis will agree to it, from the packaging pov16:39
replaceafilli have it in my agenda for monday talk16:39
th1aI suspect you're being pedantic.16:40
menesiswe don't have to use liberation fonts16:40
menesisand I think we don't use Serif font at all16:40
replaceafillmenesis, but if we change, we have to adjust our reports, right?16:40
menesisactually only sans is used in reports16:43
menesisif we change font report will look different16:43
replaceafillmenesis, can you comment on this one:
th1aLet me get this straight -- we have to set which fonts are available globally?16:44
menesisin rml templates the font is called Times_New_Roman but we can register anything by that name16:44
menesisand Arial is not used16:44
replaceafillth1a, right, we have to register fonts with reportlab and that's done on start up16:44
menesisbut the reports are by no means beautiful16:44
menesisso I don't mind changing them16:45
th1aAnd basically we're considering restricting our font choices for no reason in particular?16:45
th1aYes, we're re-designing them right now.16:45
replaceafilli'd say, we should change to ubuntu font now and "break" the reports look for a while16:46
replaceafillinstead of having two font directories to look into16:46
replaceafilllike i've done in that ^ diff16:46
th1aLook, it will take about five minutes for someone to ask how to change the font.16:46
th1aPrinted reports are different than web pages.16:47
menesisone cannot change font in report now16:47
menesisand the change does not introduce that16:48
th1aAs far as I can tell, we're talking about not including standard fonts for no reason in particular, which strikes me as pointless.16:48
menesisreplaceafill: yes, the diff you pasted looks good16:48
replaceafillmenesis, cool, if you're ok with it16:48
replaceafillmenesis, i don't like the path1:path2 trick16:48
replaceafillmenesis, to me it would be better just having the ubuntu fonts path and that's it16:49
menesis: is path separator16:49
replaceafillmenesis, right16:49
replaceafillmenesis, i think it's kind of "standard" in linux, right?16:49
th1aWe're going to need other fonts.16:50
menesisreplaceafill: yes16:50
replaceafillth1a, imo that should go into "css for pdfs" task16:50
replaceafillthat goes*16:50
replaceafillgiving the user that ability16:51
th1aDon't break anything at this point.16:51
replaceafillth1a, right, that's why i did it this way16:51
replaceafillto not break things16:51
replaceafillsorry for the whole discussion16:52
replaceafillit's just me when i'm not comfortable with one of my changes16:52
menesisreplaceafill: this needs a change in configuration file16:55
menesisif the conf file is not updated, Ubuntu font will not be found16:56
replaceafillmenesis, yes16:56
menesisso this can break16:56
replaceafillmenesis, true16:57
menesiswell, at most the new id cards will not work16:57
menesisbut there's no other way to add new fonts to reportlab currently16:57
replaceafilli could try to detect if the ubuntu font is available for id cards16:58
replaceafilland change the layout if they're not16:58
replaceafillpdfmetrics.getRegisteredFontNames :)17:12
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th1areplaceafill:  Oh, at some point today I'd like to get this set up to push my D3 experiments to the server.17:41
replaceafillth1a, cool, let me know when you have your branch ready17:41
th1areplaceafill:  What would being ready entail?18:16
replaceafillbeing in launchpad18:16
replaceafillso i can branch it, modify it and push again18:16
th1aActually can you give me a login on a demo instance for Vinny, too?18:17
replaceafillah ok18:17
replaceafilli'll set up a separated demo instance for him with small sample data, ok?18:17
th1aSure, whatever.18:17
replaceafillso, i dont mess it up with my changes18:17
* replaceafill goes to set that up18:18
th1aI included the whole library.
replaceafillth1a, sample xls loaded in
replaceafillth1a, merge lp:~replaceafill/+junk/d3 to your branch18:46
replaceafilli added a Makefile18:47
replaceafillyou can "make upload" now and the contents of your directory will be copied to the server18:47
replaceafilland will be available there ^18:47
th1aOK.  Thanks!18:48
replaceafillit will ask you for your vps password every time18:48
replaceafillif that's annoying18:48
replaceafillset up your authorized_keys in the vps ssh account18:48
replaceafillor send me your file and i'll do it for you18:48
replaceafillor... i can take the one you use in lauchpad :)18:49
th1aI guess you could use that.18:49
replaceafillth1a, done18:51
replaceafillit shouldn't ask you for your password now18:51
replaceafilllet me know if it works18:51
aelknerth1a, i just had a google hangout with yvl, really cool19:04
aelknerhe gave me a tour of his relationship ajax stuff, not yet merged into trunk19:04
th1aI guess I have to learn how that works...19:04
th1aDoes it let you do multi-user chats?19:04
aelknerbut he said he will have that merged by our monday meeting19:04
aelknerwant to try it with douglas now?19:05
replaceafillwe should make one of our meetings that way sometime19:05
replaceafilljust to test :)19:05
th1aWe could try it Monday.19:05
replaceafilli see it black and white19:06
aelknerreplaceafill, i want to invite you to a hangout19:07
aelknerhow do i do that, it only allows for adding circles19:07
replaceafillaelkner, sure19:07
th1aUh... Firefox...19:07
aelkneri don't want to invite a whole circle, just you19:07
replaceafillaelkner, i need to be in one of your cicles19:07
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replaceafillth1a, true19:09
replaceafillit's in colors in chrome19:09
th1aI think I'm just missing the #19:09
aelknerreplaceafill, how do i invite just you?19:10
replaceafillyou just did19:11
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aelknerth1a, about section locations19:46
aelkneryvl showed me his ajax stuff for relationships19:46
aelkneralthough i may not be needing it right now, it was interesting to see the new implementation19:46
aelkneroh, and ayt?19:46
aelknerok, you must be having lunch19:47
aelkneri'll look for you in a while19:47
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replaceafillth1a, why are there dots above the bars in the chart?19:52
replaceafill(just curious)19:52
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th1areplaceafill:  That's the additional "reduced-price lunch" eligibility.20:13
th1aBasically they are usually lumped together, so it essentially conflates poor and lower-middle class students.20:14
th1aMysteriously higher performing schools tend to have a higher share of "reduced-price" students.20:14
th1aAnother stacked bar would probably be better but a little more complicated.20:17
th1aI'm going to wrap this little demo up today and start on real CanDo reports next week.20:17
replaceafillseems like the example you or david or yvl drew during the sprint20:18
replaceafilli mean two variables in the same bar20:18
replaceafillit's funny that svg doesn't have "save image as" :D20:19
aelknerth1a, i had some questions about section locations20:19
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th1aOK, just a sec aelkner.20:19
th1ago ahead20:21
aelknerso i had a nice hangout with yvl to get a tour of his ajax relationships branch20:22
aelknerhe'll merge it by the monday meeting20:22
aelknerbut it will not be hard to add relationship stuff to the sction view using the new view classes20:23
aelkneri understand what your bug report is asking for, and i can tell you wanted to start with something simple20:23
aelkneronly thing is that i don't want to bother implementing something complex (code wise)20:23
aelknerif we are jsut going to throw it out20:24
aelknerso instead of creating a vocabulary, possible form adapters, etc20:24
th1aThe part we aren't implementing is the calendar part.20:24
aelkneri'm referring to the dropdown in the title, description form20:24
th1aBut I don't literally want you to do something we would have to throw away.20:24
aelkneri'd rather not go thorough said headache20:25
th1aSearch instead?20:25
aelknerif we are only going to decide later (probably) that we will support mutiple locations20:25
aelknerand we don't even have a Resources section20:25
aelknershall we add two secitons to the section view20:25
aelknerand forget about equiptment for now20:26
th1aI'd rather forget about resources.20:26
th1aWhat is a resource?20:26
aelknerunfortunate names that were decide so many years ago that lead to confusion20:26
aelknerresources have three types20:27
th1aThat was a rhetorical question.20:27
th1aI'm just saying, if we're doing two, why don't we do the two specific ones.20:27
aelknerthe three types of resources are resource, location and equiptment20:28
aelknerit's the fact that resource is a type of resource20:28
aelknerthat's the unfortunate confusing thing to discuss20:28
th1aIf we're adding two sections, it should be location and equipment.20:28
aelknerwhat about resources?20:28
aelknerwhy have the type20:28
aelknerif we are't going to use it20:29
th1aLook, you're the one who suggested not using all three.20:29
th1aI'm saying, if we're using two, those should be the two.20:29
aelknerthat's cool20:29
aelknerperhaps we'll find that resource typed resources are not even a user need20:29
th1aIf people actually start using this, then you need the complexity.20:30
th1aIf nobody uses it, you don't.20:30
aelknersounds like a plan20:30
aelknerLocations and Equiptment are two tables with the pencil next to the title, like Students and Instructors20:30
aelknersound good?20:31
aelkneralso, what would the proper order of the tables be (including Students and Instructors)20:32
th1aYes... until we add an accordion to sections, which apparently will be very soon.20:32
aelkneri was thinking the resouces could come first since they are small20:32
aelknerand the students (as it is now) is the largest and thus at the end20:33
aelknerbut yes, an accordion makes the order not as vital20:33
th1aJust put them at the bottom.20:33
th1aWe can't push the more important information that far down.20:34
aelkneri guess the accordion would have title, description open by default20:35
aelknerbut that's for later20:35
aelkneranyway, you answered my questions20:36
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th1areplaceafill:  So next week I'm going to need a static json dump from CanDo that I can use to build some reports.22:46
replaceafillah, you mean from the report we saw during the sprint?22:47
replaceafillah phew22:47
th1aI mean, we can kind of fake it.22:47
th1aOr... entirely fake it.22:47
replaceafilli thought you meant json-rpc requests :D22:47
replaceafillno, we have the data22:47
th1aIt might be easier to fake it.22:48
th1aI'm just not sure what data we need.22:48
th1aWe need to look at the reports.22:48
replaceafillwe still have running the cando instance we set up for the sprint22:50
replaceafillwith dwelsh data22:50
replaceafillin case you want to see it22:50
th1aWe can do that Monday.22:50
replaceafillth1a, nice post about d322:52
replaceafilland nice picture below :)22:52
th1aI can't get the scale on the left side to print correctly.22:54
replaceafillyou mean the horizontal line?22:55
replaceafillor numbers for the axis?22:56
replaceafillthis svg stuff is pretty cool :)22:56
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