IRC log of #schooltool for Wednesday, 2012-01-04

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th1aWe lost our IRC message.16:29
th1aOr, whatever you call it.16:30
th1aChannel doohickey.16:30
th1aHi replaceafill, yvl, menesis.16:31
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:31
yvlgood morning16:31
yvland happy New Year everyone ;)16:31
th1aHappy New Year.16:32
th1aHow does everyone feel about a sprint from Feb. 4 - 11?16:34
th1aWe're going to have a little more business/planning at the beginning this year, so I think it should be a little longer.16:34
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yvlsounds good, th1a16:35
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th1aAnd also we'll probably just get down to more actual hacking on CanDo this year.16:35
yvlthat also sounds good ;)16:35
th1aThat is, actual programming.16:35
th1aSince we all know the issues more or less, and it will be quicker to make certain decisions while we're there -- particularly about which parts will be ripped out and which will just be refactored a bit.16:36
th1aA lot can be communicated with a point and a groan.16:36
menesiswhat kind of sprint?16:37
th1aWell, I guess there will be three parts.16:37
th1aAnd menesis might not be needed for all.16:37
th1a1) planning the next few years;16:37
th1a(two days)16:37
th1a2) planning the absorption of CanDo, including some redesign, with the locals (two-three days);16:38
th1a3) actually doing some coding for 2) (2-3 days).16:39
th1aMake sense?16:39
menesisI was asking -- virtual or flyaway sprint16:40
menesisbut as I understand that's physical16:40
th1aOh, yes, physical.16:41
th1aIn Arlington.16:41
th1aWe're going to get a suite and also use the Career Center.16:41
menesisoh so. I missed something.16:42
menesissounds good16:42
th1aEither that or I skipped something.  ;-)16:42
menesiswill I be needed?16:42
th1aI would say it is optional for you menesis.16:43
th1aI might want to send you to Portugal later in the year for a visit.16:43
th1aOK, so... actually give me another day and I'll let you guys know if you have the green light to get flights.16:45
menesisI would love to visit US of course :) but that's expensive, and if I'm not really needed..16:46
menesisalso I don't have the biometric passport needed16:46
th1atbh I'd say you're mostly not, and I think we'll see each other at some point this year.16:47
th1aUnless you really want to talk about the finer points of competency tracking.  ;-)16:48
th1aOK, next point of business: invoices.16:49
th1aBasically, I need your december hours, and then I'll bounce back to you guys your bonuses based on how much is left in the budget.16:49
th1aAnd then you'll send the real invoices next week.16:49
yvlthanks - I was wondering about what numbers we should put on our invoices :)16:50
th1aOK yvl, where are you picking up your work?16:51
yvlon ajaxy tables and relationship views16:52
yvlsimple tables for normal and indexed containers are done16:52
yvlwith test cases for each type16:53
yvlmainly using persons table16:53
yvlfor /persons, for group view - both members and leaders16:53
yvlnow doing the relationship editing part of this16:53
yvlthe underlying code is somewhat complex, and it took time to write16:54
yvlbut using it is actually really simple16:54
yvlform developers perspective - you should forget table formatter being an adapter16:54
yvlnow it's a viewlet+manager, like everything else16:55
replaceafillgreat :)16:55
th1aYou'll have to explain it to aelkner next week (or ideally just write it down somewhere).16:55
yvlor I can show at the sprint16:55
yvlwould be much faster16:55
yvl20 minutes or so16:56
th1aOK, we can just keep aelkner away from it for a few weeks.16:56
yvlat the moment I'm roughly on track with the plan16:56
yvlto make all (or at least most) of ST tables ajaxy16:56
yvland have all relationship views changed before I leave for vacation16:57
yvlI'm not doing some niceness, like spinners now16:57
yvlbut they can be quite easily added after views are done16:57
yvlthere was some tricky refactoring involved16:58
yvlbut now it's the straight line before the finish16:58
yvlor what's the English expression16:59
th1aThe home stretch?16:59
yvlthank you16:59
yvloh, I also replaced zc.table up/down arrow images16:59
yvlwith simple unicode up/down symbols17:00
yvl(because they were annoying me to no end)17:00
yvland I would be grateful if you guys restrain from working on table part of the views for few weeks17:00
th1aOh, thanks.17:01
replaceafillgot it17:01
yvlone more tiny thing17:01
th1aThose arrows were one of the last graphic annoyances.17:01
yvlI did a small prototype last year,17:01
yvldevmode, opening jquery pop-up with ZODB browser17:02
yvlfor the object you're looking at17:02
yvlso I'll finish and merge that before the sprint17:02
th1aAh, nice.17:03
yvlthat's it from me17:03
th1aThanks yvl.17:04
th1aAnything to report menesis?17:04
menesisI have made 2.0.1 releases of everything just before xmas17:05
menesisand uploaded to the ppa for all ubuntu releases last week17:05
menesisthis week I have uploaded some zope packages17:05
th1aI guess those are in the book?17:05
menesisand fixed some small stuff in zope upstream17:06
menesisyes, release notes also in the book17:06
menesisalso documented the apache config17:07
menesisadded example file to the book17:07
menesisand the schooltool package17:07
menesisinstalled in /usr/share/doc/schooltool/examples17:08
menesisalso updated README.txt and installed it instead of shorter version README.Debian17:08
menesisbut that's mostly last days before xmas17:08
th1aI'm going to send out a "what we've been up to" email today17:09
th1aThanks menesis.17:10
replaceafilllast week i worked on a few small bugs17:12
replaceafillah, but first17:12
replaceafillcan you guys access
replaceafillChandara is having trouble getting to the testing instance17:12
replaceafilland i can see it17:12
th1aI can see it.17:12
replaceafilli'm starting to think it might be the non-default port...17:13
th1aWe may need to get him running an instance locally.17:13
yvloh boy.17:13
yvlold ST :D17:13
th1aOh, yeah, try that first.17:13
menesiswith a default password17:13
th1aI should probably send out an email about what the situation is.17:14
th1aOh, we have all kinds of demos running with default passwords.17:14
th1aThat is, what their timeframe is at this point.17:15
th1areplaceafill:  You could spend a little time this week just figuring out what we'd have to do to update Cambodia to Flourish -- that is, in particular just discarding what isn't necessary anymore in terms of customizations.17:16
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th1aOK yvl, I have grandparents confirmed for the sprint week so let's nail down dates.17:19
th1aI would say you could fly Friday or Saturday.17:19
th1aDepending on cost/preference.17:19
yvlFri will be probably cheaper17:20
th1aThat'd give you some time to adapt, and Jeff and Dave can take care of you if I arrive Saturday morning.17:21
yvlin any case, flight prices might differ so much17:21
yvlthat it might be worth flying in even earlier - say, Thu17:22
yvland taking a hotel17:22
yvland doing some sight-seeing17:22
yvlI'll ping our travel agency17:22
th1aYou can crash with someone there as well if you'd like.17:22
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th1aI've slept in dwelsh's guest room many times.17:23
replaceafilltesting testing17:23
th1aahoy replaceafill.17:23
replaceafilllet me show you something:17:23
yvlok, I'll get back to you in few days th1a - if it's ok17:23
th1aThat's fine.17:23
replaceafilldamn connection!17:24
replaceafilli was like crazy talking alone :P17:24
th1aI would say that if you don't understand why it is needed it is probably not needed.17:25
replaceafilli can't think of a good use case for it17:25
th1aPasswords should be required in a change password form.17:25
replaceafilli'll take that out then17:25
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th1aI'd like to have a website tweaking meeting replaceafill.  Tomorrow?17:27
replaceafillth1a, sure17:27
replaceafillth1a, should i get to arlington friday night?17:28
th1aThis time (i.e. right now) for tomorrow?17:28
replaceafillth1a, sure, i'll be here17:28
th1areplaceafill: that probably makes most sense -- Friday night.17:29
replaceafillth1a, kk17:29
th1aSaturday morning probably doesn't work for you.17:30
replaceafillit's friday night or saturday night17:30
replaceafilli'll book for getting there on friday night then17:30
replaceafillthat's it from me (sorry about the failed connection)17:31
th1aThanks replaceafill.  I think I gave you some new bugs right before break.17:31
replaceafillth1a, yes17:31
replaceafilli still have more css fixes to do17:31
th1aOK.  I guess that's it.17:33
th1aHave a great week and weekend guys!17:33
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replaceafillthanks everybody17:33
yvlgreat week to you guys17:33
yvl(and see you soon at the sprint ;) )17:33
th1aSeason Two.17:41
th1aGuess it has been a year.17:41
th1areplaceafill:  I think I'll let the current Cambodia thread resolve itself before raising the larger issue.18:18
replaceafillth1a, ah ok18:18
th1aI'm sure things are confused enough as is.18:18
th1aBut still, if you could come up with a rough estimate of the changes necessary to flourish them, I'd appreciate it.18:19
th1aThat is, assuming that we want the to have the LEAST necessary changes.18:19
th1achanges vis a vis trunk.18:19
* replaceafill googles "vis a vis" :)18:21
replaceafill"in relation to"? :O18:21
th1aI'm probably using it wrong anyhow.18:21
th1aThat is, least changes in relation to trunk, not least changes to Cambodia custom version.18:22
replaceafillright, kind of what aelkner did for David Ally, right?18:22
replaceafillth1a, one thing with the Cambodia version is that we've tried to hide almost everything from them18:36
replaceafillif we flourish them some day, i think that decision will go away, right?18:36
th1aJust think about how much of that make sense.18:36
th1amakes sense now.18:36
th1aI mean, is the application sufficiently less confusing that we don't have to hide so much as long as it has the same automatic setup?18:39
th1a(I hope so...)18:39
replaceafillby application, you mean flourish right?18:39
replaceafilli think so18:39
replaceafillflourish cambodia should be just the init/startup subscribers, a couple of custom models, the custom group/sections relationships (which could land at some point in standard flourish) and views+reports18:41
replaceafilli'll write down an inventory of these18:41
th1aYes, that's what I have in mind.  Thanks.18:43
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replaceafillth1a, zyt?22:45
replaceafillth1a, nm, sent you email22:50
th1aI see it.22:52

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