IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2010-06-14

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th1aGood morning aelkner, yvl, replaceafill, menesis.16:32
yvlmorning guys16:32
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:32
th1ayvl: Would you like to start us off?16:33
yvlwell, timetables are in progress16:34
yvldon't have anything committed yet16:34
yvland... that's pretty much it16:34
yvlI should finish by mid next week16:35
yvlor end of this week if all goes well16:35
th1aOK.  Sounds good.16:35
th1amenesis:  Any news?16:35
menesisnot much16:36
menesisreleased cando last week16:36
menesisbranched lp:schooltool/1.416:36
th1aI didn't think of it at the time, but perhaps that cando release should have gone into the development ppa.16:37
th1aAlthough... I don't remember what version of Ubuntu the CanDo people are using.16:37
menesishaven't switched the trunk to 1.6 yet, pondering maybe name it 'trunk' rather than 1.6, since some plugins are compatible with more than one series16:37
menesisCanDo people have been using Hardy, are planning to upgrade to Lucid soon (when it's ready)16:38
replaceafillth1a, i they they're using 8.04 lts16:38
menesisI've sent a release announcement with a warning that it is not ready for production use16:38
th1amenesis:  Yes, but you don't really see that if you just apt-get update.16:39
th1aHowever, they wouldn't have gotten it on 8.04 anyhow.16:39
menesisdidn't investigate a different solution to jquery problem yet16:39
menesisth1a: 8.04 was not touched16:39
th1aIt is just something we need to be conscious of going forward.16:40
menesisI hope they don't need any of the features on 8.0416:41
menesiswhat else..16:41
th1ath1a:  When you've got some time I'd like to get aelkner and replaceafill able to push packages for their site-specific packages themselves.16:42
menesisupdated the Zope in Maverick blueprint with some progress and more tasks..16:42
menesisthe Memebrship Board meeting that was sheduled for last Tuesday got postponed because too little people attended16:42
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menesisso my membership is postponed for 2 more weeks :(16:42
menesisno progress from dholbach or anyone else (including me) on Zope in Maverick front16:44
menesisI have taken two days off last week, so not much done16:45
th1aIs there anything you can do before you become get upload privileges?16:45
menesisI can upload to REVU. At least I have to update the ones that were not uploaded yet, to maverick.16:46
th1aSo that's your top priority now?16:47
menesisfor Ubuntu, yes16:48
th1aOK, we just need to keep pushing forward on this.16:49
th1aHave those packages ready to go.16:49
* Lumiere waves and goes back to lurking16:50
menesisyeah, was updating the status and todo today.16:50
th1ao/ Lumiere.16:51
th1aOK, thanks menesis.16:51
replaceafillwell, i finished the SCR pdfs for cando16:52
replaceafillfor a single student and for a section16:52
replaceafillalso, i removed deprecated competencies from some reports16:52
replaceafilland i created the schoolyear archive as a CSV file, which replaces the 11K pages pdf i was trying to build :(16:53
replaceafilli'm still waiting for dwelsh comments, but i think it's done16:53
th1aOK.  Good.16:53
replaceafillon saturday, david ally from nigeria pinged me in my yahoo messenger16:53
replaceafillhe was having trouble importing the sample data xls in cando16:54
replaceafillbasically, he hit this one:
replaceafillthe importer expects as many custom demographics fields as you have16:54
replaceafilland the sample spreadsheet has fewer fields16:55
replaceafillso you get the error16:55
replaceafillas usual, i taught him a hack i knew16:55
replaceafilland it worked for him16:55
th1aDo we have a bug report for that?16:55
replaceafillthis week i'm going back to cambodia i think16:56
replaceafillstarting, with grading as "the gradebook", right th1a?16:56
th1aYes... I think that's the biggest risk because we don't understand the implementation completely.16:57
replaceafilli also have to move cambodia to use latest trunk16:57
replaceafillbecause of the levels16:57
replaceafilland i have 2 requests for yvl16:57
replaceafill1. your security log was very helpful while i was working with cando :)16:58
replaceafilland hitting unauthorized excpetions16:58
replaceafillwe should have it at least in devmode sometime :)16:58
replaceafill2. can we add a 'queryXML' and 'printQueryXML' method to the Browser?16:59
yvlok, I'll do that16:59
replaceafilli was testing rml16:59
replaceafilland the regular methods didnt work until i inserted my own helpers16:59
aelknerreplaceafill, you could put your helpers in and submit a branch17:00
aelknersave yvl the trouble17:00
replaceafillyeah, but i don't know if anybody else needs them17:00
replaceafilli haven't seen such use in code, so...17:01
aelkneri also changed to strip out blank lines in printQuery()17:01
aelkneryou should also strip out blank lines as a convenince to the developer17:02
yvlreplaceafill - feel free to put queryXML to the browser17:02
replaceafillyvl, thanks :)17:02
replaceafillth1a, that's it i guess17:02
yvloh, and I'll get to security logs after timetables17:03
th1aOK, so first step is syncing up with changes in trunk, then getting up to speed on their grading system?17:03
aelkneryvl: can i look at your timetable work as it is in progress?17:03
replaceafillit's better that putting pdbs :P17:03
aelkneri'm making changes to the importer, so i'd like to be prepared17:03
replaceafillth1a, yes17:03
aelknerhave you pushed a branch yet?17:04
yvlno, not yet17:05
aelknercould you email me when you do?17:05
yvlsome changes may get in your way, apologies in advance...17:06
aelknerno problem, but that's why i want to get a look as son as possible17:06
th1aThanks replaceafill.17:09
th1aaelkner:  I think we might want to follow up your Friday email to Lagos with a "five questions" version.17:09
th1aOr perhaps less...17:10
th1aWhat specific things do we need to know from them at this point?17:10
th1a1) Who do they want to have logging in?17:10
th1a2) What do they want those people to use as logins?17:10
th1aWhat else?17:10
aelknerwhat demographics they want to set up?17:11
aelknerthe xls imprter needs to match the configured demographic fields from the Manage tab17:11
th1aThey already had some different ones in the xls they sent you right?17:12
aelknerwell, they included a Students and a Staff sheet that don't correspond to any importer sheet17:14
aelknerand there are a couple of fields like 'Years of experience'17:14
aelknerat least in the Staff sheet17:15
th1aProbably what we are going to do is allow you to hide demographic fields based on group membership.17:15
aelknerwe don't have different demos for teachers verses students17:15
th1aPerhaps you could implement that.17:16
aelknersure, i'm already making lots of changes to the importer17:16
aelknerbut you mean changing demos, too?17:16
th1aIt is a change to demographics.17:17
aelknerhow would you envision all of that?17:17
th1aWhen you define the demographics field, you can specify to which (built in) groups it applies.17:17
th1aAnd then we need to filter out the irrelevant ones in the views.17:18
aelknerfor the importer, that could be tricky because the Person sheet is processed17:18
aelknerseparately from the Groups sheet17:18
th1aIt isn't that they don't have those attributes, they are just hidden in the views.17:19
th1a(so they must also be optional)17:19
aelknerso the Persons sheet would still have all demo fields as columns17:19
aelknerbut the values are optional?17:20
th1aThey mostly are optional anyhow.17:20
aelknerand the person view would change17:20
aelkneryes, they are17:20
aelkneri'm just saying that all columns are required17:20
th1aIt seems to me that other implementations would get hairy, since people can easily be moved in and out of those groups.17:21
th1aWell, actually, we may have a documentation bug here...17:21
th1aIf you want to do custom demographics, what you really want to do is set up the demographics in the web interface, EXPORT your (mostly empty) xls, then use that as your template17:22
th1aI kind of forgot about that.17:22
aelknerso is that part of what we want to explain to Lagos?17:23
th1aProbably we should.17:23
aelknershall i go on?17:25
aelknerso i looked into Jen's issue about teacher's calendars17:25
aelknerit turns out that only the instructor/section relationship event causes the instructor calendar to be updated17:26
aelknerso if you are in a section and hit the Schedule link17:26
aelknerany changes you make there are not reflected in the instructor's calendar17:27
aelknerthat is a bug, and my FET importer has the same short-coming17:27
aelkneri can fix the section shedule bug in my importer branch17:27
aelknerand fix the corresponding FET bug in my zambia branch17:28
aelknerso i can send Jen a note letting her know that i will be fixing that17:29
th1aAnd file a bug.17:29
th1aDoes it work correctly if you're using the web UI?17:29
aelknerweb UI?  do you mean the Schedule link i just mentioned?17:31
th1aYes... is that also a bug?17:31
aelkneras i said there are two bugs, the section scheduler and the FET impporter17:32
aelkneri just submitted
th1aI guess I was just confused because you said you were fixing the bug in your importer branch.17:34
aelknerno prob17:34
th1aWe should talk more about Lagos-related issues on the phone.17:34
aelknerjust using the one branch because it's ore convenient17:34
th1aAny other issues the group might be interested in?17:34
th1aThey Flyers' loss?17:35
th1aThe Phillies falling apart?17:35
th1aThe Celtics lead in the NBA finals?17:35
aelknertrying to forget all of that?17:35
aelknerhappy for you, though17:35
replaceafillgo Celtics!17:35
aelknerreplaceafill, i thoug you liked the LAkers17:35
replaceafillit's a shame they're going to lose 4-317:35
th1aNot unless Bynum gets a knee replacement today.17:36
aelknerone more thing17:36
aelkneri know we are not ready to talk replaceafill and myself pushing packages17:37
aelknerbut can i throw out this one idea?17:37
aelkneri'd like to think that replaceafill and i will eventually be able to create packages17:38
aelknerthat will go in custom sources17:38
aelknerso that i could get an update to the schooltool importer, for example17:39
aelknerto a grant user before it has been reviewed and merged into trunk17:39
aelknerwill that be possible?17:39
th1aFor changes to core I'd rather just expedite getting things into trunk and the development repo.17:40
menesisit is possible to package any branch, but I'd rather not17:41
aelknerthese submitted branches tend to back up because yvl and menesis have other responsibilities17:41
th1aWell, we can make it a higher priority.17:41
aelknerwell, that's all i have for now17:43
th1aOK.  Thanks gentlemen.17:43
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:43
th1aHave a great week!17:43
aelkneryou, too, shall i call now?17:44
replaceafillthanks everybody17:44
th1aLet's talk at 11:00.17:45
th1aYou can call me.17:45
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