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| th1a | fsufitch: ayt? | 16:22 |
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| fsufitch | th1a: pong | 16:22 |
| th1a | When do you go to NYC? | 16:24 |
| fsufitch | move-in date is aug 30 | 16:24 |
| fsufitch | so, aug 30 | 16:24 |
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| fsufitch | th1a: why? | 16:29 |
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| Lumiere | hi all | 16:33 |
| th1a | good morning yvl, aelkner, menesis, Lumiere, moquist. | 16:33 |
| yvl | morning th1a | 16:33 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:33 |
| th1a | fsufitch: I just have to send that email to WG. | 16:33 |
| fsufitch | th1a: okay | 16:33 |
| fsufitch | mornin, yvl, aelkner, menesis, Lumiere, moquist :) | 16:34 |
| yvl | hey fsufitch | 16:34 |
| * fsufitch copied th1a's greeting list | 16:34 | |
| th1a | So... would you like to start us off aelkner? | 16:36 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:36 |
| aelkner | so, i took off Thursday and Friday to go to the WBC (board gaming tournament) | 16:37 |
| th1a | How'd it go? | 16:37 |
| aelkner | had a great time and won sixth place in Ticket to Ride | 16:37 |
| th1a | Nice. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | I lost the semi finals to the eventual winner by two points | 16:38 |
| th1a | ignas: I got the final blow on two hulks last night. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | he beet my friend at the final table | 16:38 |
| aelkner | beat :) | 16:38 |
| th1a | What kind of game is that? | 16:38 |
| aelkner | it was a lot of fun | 16:38 |
| aelkner | it's a game with a map of the USA | 16:38 |
| aelkner | and you connect cities with train cars | 16:38 |
| th1a | Rail game. | 16:39 |
| aelkner | yeh, with tickets in your hand that represent routes that you must make | 16:39 |
| aelkner | Anyway | 16:39 |
| aelkner | Last week I did manage to do three things | 16:40 |
| aelkner | 1) I converted the report card pdf view to rml | 16:40 |
| aelkner | 2) I added outline activities to the layout object | 16:40 |
| aelkner | 3) I applied the outline activities to the report card pdf | 16:41 |
| th1a | Can you email me an example of the output? | 16:41 |
| aelkner | The outline could use some polish with the styles | 16:42 |
| th1a | The pdf? | 16:42 |
| th1a | Sure. | 16:42 |
| aelkner | I could use your thoughts on what styles you would prefer | 16:42 |
| th1a | Well, I should just do it myself now that everything is in RML. | 16:43 |
| aelkner | like could the scores that follow the activity heading be wrapped in a visible frame | 16:43 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:43 |
| aelkner | but you won't be able to do that until i request yvl to merge and then he does that | 16:44 |
| aelkner | so i'll polish up the styles as far as indenting | 16:44 |
| th1a | Sure. | 16:44 |
| aelkner | and request the merge today | 16:44 |
| th1a | So are you about at the end of the tasks we discussed last week? | 16:45 |
| aelkner | also, i still need to do the 'one section per page' version | 16:45 |
| aelkner | what was the plan for requesting that? | 16:45 |
| aelkner | was it a separate action link | 16:45 |
| th1a | Ah... I have to think about that. | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | I would think it would have to be | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | unless there was a report cards view that linked off to the different versions | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | because I assume you're clicking an action link and getting a pdf | 16:47 |
| th1a | Probably there is a separate view to select which report. | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | ah | 16:48 |
| th1a | I just have to walk through it and think about it. | 16:48 |
| th1a | I mean, basically, I think that there is probably some clever place to put the link in the ST hierarchy, | 16:48 |
| th1a | but it is also probably somewhere people won't actually find it anyhow. | 16:49 |
| aelkner | and was it side by side with the regular 'Print Report Card' link | 16:49 |
| aelkner | found at the person and group context? | 16:49 |
| aelkner | and what would be the text of the link? | 16:49 |
| aelkner | looking at last week's log, you said you needed to figure that out | 16:49 |
| th1a | I just need to think about it while clicking around the actual interface. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Rather than completely pulling something out of the air. | 16:50 |
| aelkner | ok, i can wait for you to look into that | 16:50 |
| aelkner | in the meantime, shall i turn to bugs? | 16:50 |
| aelkner | gradebook that is? | 16:50 |
| th1a | I think so, unless there is something else we anticipate Chris needing. | 16:51 |
| aelkner | i can't anticipate anything, but i'm sure he'll let us know as soon as he starts using it more | 16:51 |
| aelkner | so that's all i got | 16:52 |
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| th1a | OK. | 16:53 |
| th1a | So I'm going to San Francisco over next weekend for a wedding. | 16:53 |
| Lumiere | have fun | 16:53 |
| th1a | I'll be traveling Thurs.-Mon. | 16:53 |
| th1a | Can we move next week's meeting to Tuesday? | 16:54 |
| aelkner | San Fran is really cool | 16:54 |
| aelkner | Tues is fine with me | 16:54 |
| yvl | th1a, I'm on vacation this and the following week | 16:54 |
| th1a | Last time I was in SF I played a gig at the Fillmore. I don't think I can top that this time. | 16:54 |
| aelkner | you cold site seeing | 16:55 |
| th1a | yvl: That works out then. | 16:55 |
| th1a | Anything to report at all then? | 16:55 |
| Lumiere | I am on vacation next week too, (and CanDo's package needs to be out) | 16:55 |
| yvl | not much, I nearly finished playing with security | 16:55 |
| yvl | ~ a day's work left | 16:56 |
| yvl | btw, I'll be available from time to time over the next few weeks | 16:56 |
| th1a | Where does that put us? | 16:56 |
| yvl | umm, not sure I got your question, th1a | 16:57 |
| yvl | (I guess the vacation light-headiness already kicked in...) | 16:58 |
| th1a | What does "nearly finished playing with" mean to me? | 16:58 |
| yvl | you'll have a short human readable list of groups of people that have certain permissions on some of the objects | 17:00 |
| yvl | certain permissions - "add/remove", "modify", "view" | 17:00 |
| th1a | OK. That's good. | 17:01 |
| yvl | "some objects" - objects that are understandable by the user: "user information" VS BasicPerson, Person | 17:01 |
| th1a | Object level permissions. | 17:01 |
| th1a | Good. | 17:02 |
| th1a | Is that list of objects hard-wired? | 17:02 |
| yvl | to some extent | 17:02 |
| yvl | as permissions change, the list changes too | 17:02 |
| yvl | but we need to hard-wire descriptions for crowds | 17:03 |
| yvl | like human-readable description for "calendar owners" | 17:03 |
| yvl | and we need to add descriptions for new object level groups as we add them | 17:03 |
| yvl | we'll have to monitor this manually, more or less | 17:04 |
| yvl | auto-detection does not make any sense for the common user | 17:04 |
| th1a | That's fine. | 17:04 |
| yvl | OK. I tried to reduce code maintenance costs to minimum, but.. | 17:06 |
| th1a | Our zeal for making things super-automatic bites us in the ass on this kind of thing though. | 17:07 |
| th1a | We don't want to end up with something else that is easy for us to maintain but impossible to use. | 17:07 |
| yvl | well, the quest was not to automate the presentation | 17:08 |
| yvl | but to automate permission colleciton via tests | 17:08 |
| yvl | so that programmers are always warned when something changes | 17:09 |
| yvl | but I can't cover all the cases, sadly | 17:09 |
| th1a | Understood. | 17:11 |
| yvl | btw, my personal priorities for new features currently are: 1) works/easy to understand for the user; 2) ability to extend for programmers; 3) ease of maintainance | 17:11 |
| yvl | feel free to adjust the order | 17:12 |
| th1a | That sounds right to me. | 17:12 |
| yvl | I guess we could discuss about this for infinity ;) | 17:12 |
| th1a | Le me know when I can see it. | 17:12 |
| yvl | ok! | 17:13 |
| th1a | And if you need descriptions, etc. from me. | 17:13 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Where are we with the CanDo packages? | 17:13 |
| Lumiere | I am waiting | 17:17 |
| Lumiere | for dwelsh to sign off on the changes | 17:17 |
| th1a | And then? | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | I'll merge and request a package | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | then some time in the next couple weeks | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | once the package is out I'll likely push out the bzr conversion | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | but I may want to work with LP to find a sane way to pull the entire repo in | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | without having to push every one up by hand | 17:19 |
| th1a | So at this point we have working packages of older code? | 17:19 |
| th1a | And you just need the new code approved and pushed through the pipe? | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | yea | 17:20 |
| th1a | OK. So we don't foresee any major issues. | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | there are no changes this year that will cause evolution issues | 17:20 |
| th1a | Good. | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | there are a couple schooltool updates | 17:21 |
| th1a | You'll need help from menesis making the new packages? | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | that we'll evolve to | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | but nothing big | 17:21 |
| th1a | OH... is there a zope 3 security update and should we be doing something about updating our packages? | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | if there is | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:21 |
| th1a | menesis: Did you see anything about that? | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | if there is any security update, we need to update our code to require the security update package | 17:22 |
| th1a | yvl: Is menesis around? | 17:24 |
| yvl | I'll call him | 17:25 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 17:26 |
| * yvl not at the office ATM | 17:26 | |
| yvl | sorry, he's not available now | 17:27 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:28 |
| yvl | but he'll read the log a bit later | 17:28 |
| th1a | I'll send an email. | 17:28 |
| yvl | yes, thanks | 17:28 |
| th1a | I wrote some promotional copy that I'm going to send out to relevant mailing lists, etc. focusing on using SchoolTool for specific tasks. | 17:29 |
| th1a | 1) gathering assessment data via report sheets; | 17:29 |
| th1a | 2) individual teacher gradebook/attendance; | 17:29 |
| th1a | 3) resource booking. | 17:29 |
| th1a | Trying to get a little usage below the level of moving the entire school onto a new SIS> | 17:30 |
| th1a | . | 17:30 |
| th1a | moquist: Anything to add? | 17:30 |
| th1a | I guess replaceafill has been sick, btw, but last I heard he was feeling better. | 17:31 |
| yvl | th1a, sounds like an excellent plan | 17:31 |
| th1a | That'll go on the front of schooltool.org soon too. | 17:31 |
| th1a | As soon as I can work it out with menesis. | 17:32 |
| th1a | aelkner: Let me know if you have any questions about priorities, details, etc. for the rest of the week. | 17:33 |
| th1a | Have a good vacation yvl. | 17:33 |
| th1a | And a great week everyone. | 17:33 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:33 | |
| aelkner | you, too | 17:34 |
| yvl | a fun visit to SF, th1a | 17:34 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 17:36 |
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| menesis | th1a: hi. how do you know that there were security updates to some zope packages? | 20:04 |
| moquist | th1a: hey | 20:06 |
| moquist | in a meeting ATM. | 20:06 |
| moquist | th1a: but I guess nothing to add anyhow. the summary from yesterday still applies. | 20:07 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, ping | 20:16 |
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