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| th1a | ignas: Apoc 1.3 patch today. | 16:27 |
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| ignas | shew, I have a 3 day skill in the queue | 16:28 |
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| th1a | It seems like mostly a backend performance patch. | 16:28 |
| th1a | Inventory. | 16:29 |
| ignas | got a link to the patch notes by any chance? | 16:30 |
| th1a | http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106601 | 16:30 |
| th1a | Not that I'm reading them now or anything. | 16:30 |
| th1a | Good morning aelkner, yvl, menesis, Lumi|USA2|BRA0, moquist. | 16:31 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
| menesis | hello | 16:31 |
| yvl | morning everybody :) | 16:33 |
| th1a | Hope everyone had a nice weekend. | 16:34 |
| th1a | How are things coming, yvl? | 16:34 |
| yvl | hmm, pretty well, I'd say | 16:34 |
| yvl | still fixing bugs | 16:35 |
| yvl | there's a pile of Fix Committed on Launchpad now | 16:35 |
| yvl | maybe we should do a release soon? | 16:35 |
| th1a | Yes... | 16:35 |
| yvl | one small thing I wanted to ask you | 16:35 |
| yvl | can you send a "very short" list of bugs you need for SchoolTool book | 16:36 |
| th1a | Next Tuesday? | 16:36 |
| yvl | sounds good | 16:36 |
| yvl | * you need fixed | 16:36 |
| th1a | For the book? | 16:36 |
| th1a | Or that I found working on the book? | 16:37 |
| yvl | I mean, something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/389193 | 16:37 |
| yvl | What's the format for section CSV import | 16:37 |
| th1a | That's pretty much the only "I don't know how this is supposed to work" bug, I think. | 16:37 |
| yvl | hmm, ok | 16:38 |
| th1a | Unless there's another csv documentation bug just like it for another object. | 16:38 |
| yvl | I hope that all other "this is not supposed to work this way" bugs are fixed - those, that are mentioned in SchoolTool book | 16:38 |
| yvl | bugs like "insane wrapping of sections descriptions" | 16:39 |
| yvl | or "weekly calendar events are gone" | 16:39 |
| th1a | OK. Cool. | 16:39 |
| yvl | thanks | 16:39 |
| th1a | You've got a break now because I'm assigning all the gradebook bugs I find now to aelkner. | 16:39 |
| yvl | cool :) | 16:40 |
| th1a | Although if we're doing a release on Tuesday I definitely should shift to documenting his current changes. | 16:40 |
| yvl | next Tuesday is... Jul 7th | 16:40 |
| th1a | aelkner: What's your eta on comments? | 16:40 |
| th1a | Yes, the 7th. | 16:41 |
| yvl | So I'll send you a summary of what is going to be released on Thu? Sounds ok? | 16:41 |
| aelkner | Comment are ready now, though the Fckeditor is not available yet for them | 16:41 |
| yvl | yep | 16:41 |
| yvl | I was getting to that :) | 16:41 |
| aelkner | :) | 16:42 |
| yvl | we'll have to write the widget for z3c.form ourselves | 16:42 |
| th1a | yvl: Yes. | 16:42 |
| yvl | I'll do that ASAP | 16:42 |
| aelkner | i figured as much | 16:42 |
| yvl | you were totally right, aelkner | 16:42 |
| th1a | OK, so we can get comments in the release too then? | 16:43 |
| yvl | aelkner? | 16:43 |
| aelkner | i think not having the Fckedit short term is no reason to delay releaing comments | 16:43 |
| yvl | we'll manage to add Fckedit by then | 16:43 |
| th1a | It shouldn't take a week. | 16:43 |
| aelkner | Then , i guess they'll be ready | 16:44 |
| yvl | few hours best case scenario; most likely half a day; worst case scenario - day and a half | 16:44 |
| aelkner | yvl: please alert me to the diff for that, i'll be curious | 16:45 |
| th1a | aelkner: Have we discussed what's next for you? | 16:45 |
| yvl | ok Alan | 16:45 |
| aelkner | we haven't discussed, but I would think it's obvious from you emails last week | 16:45 |
| aelkner | ... bugs | 16:45 |
| aelkner | although i still have SLA stuff to contend with | 16:46 |
| aelkner | like migrating the narrative data to comments | 16:46 |
| aelkner | i'm waiting for final ok from them about demographics migration | 16:47 |
| aelkner | they are still working out address issues | 16:47 |
| th1a | Yes, I have a reply to send in the mail about that. | 16:47 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:47 |
| th1a | I don't think I want to have multiple addresses on one contact. | 16:47 |
| aelkner | certainly not | 16:48 |
| aelkner | they don't need it | 16:48 |
| aelkner | they are just a little sloppy woth what they have now | 16:48 |
| th1a | It is typical. | 16:48 |
| th1a | I was talking to a guy who has done a lot of migrations from one SIS to another and the first thing he mentioned is exactly what we're dealing with with SLA, | 16:48 |
| th1a | just in migrating from ourself to ourself. | 16:49 |
| aelkner | i think the model we have now is the right one | 16:49 |
| th1a | (going from just a list of addresses connected to a person to individual contacts) | 16:49 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:49 |
| aelkner | if they want more than one address for a contact, they can create a second contact | 16:50 |
| th1a | These migrations are difficult in general because obviously the idea is always to have a system that keeps cleaner data. | 16:50 |
| aelkner | yeah | 16:50 |
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| th1a | So by definition you're always doing cleanup as part of the process. | 16:50 |
| aelkner | so we're helping them as a result | 16:51 |
| aelkner | like sla, for instance | 16:51 |
| th1a | Anyhow, take a look at the critical and high priority bugs I assigned to you. | 16:51 |
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| th1a | Definitely do the critical one, and then we can discuss what's next. | 16:51 |
| aelkner | will do | 16:52 |
| th1a | The last part of the big SLA project is cleaning up interventions, right? | 16:52 |
| th1a | moquist: ping... | 16:52 |
| aelkner | yeah | 16:52 |
| th1a | Do you want to do all the coding at once and then migrate everything, or code/migrate code/migrate | 16:53 |
| ignas_ | hmm, will you keep the email handling part of interventions in the interventions package even after you refactor it to be separate from other sla code? | 16:53 |
| moquist | th1a: yoyoyo | 16:54 |
| th1a | SchoolTool should have a standard emailing system. | 16:54 |
| th1a | (not just part of interventions) | 16:54 |
| aelkner | yes | 16:54 |
| th1a | moquist: can you give us an update in a few minutes? | 16:54 |
| * yvl sighs | 16:54 | |
| th1a | th1a: otoh, it is not a priority! | 16:55 |
| * th1a sometimes talks to himself for no apparent reason. | 16:55 | |
| yvl | :) | 16:55 |
| yvl | agreed, th1a :) | 16:55 |
| th1a | Bad th1a! | 16:55 |
| moquist | The Moodle integration project is proceeding basically as planned. By Tomorrow I'll have specified a list of interfaces that each app should provide in v1.0 of the integration, and Brett will have finished the mnet port. | 16:55 |
| moquist | (which we need to upload somewhere) | 16:56 |
| th1a | Ah. | 16:56 |
| th1a | moquist: Do we have a name for this? | 16:56 |
| th1a | mnet-wsgi | 16:56 |
| moquist | The next round of funding starts on July 21, at which point we'll hopefully be ready to start making SSO, then enrollments, and then grades transfer from Moodle to SchoolTool. | 16:56 |
| moquist | th1a: not py-mnet? | 16:57 |
| moquist | or python-mnet? | 16:57 |
| moquist | doesn't matter to me, though. | 16:57 |
| moquist | I do think having at least 'py' in the name would clarify what it is. | 16:57 |
| th1a | It is more obvious to people who aren't python web developers. | 16:58 |
| ignas_ | moquist: hmm, if it is supposed to be an egg - py is not really needed, being in python package index kind of qualifies it enough ;) | 16:58 |
| ignas_ | same for debian, debian prefixes packages with python- | 16:58 |
| ignas_ | so having python-py-mnet | 16:58 |
| ignas_ | does not make much sense | 16:58 |
| * moquist nods | 16:58 | |
| ignas_ | wsgi on the other hand - does | 16:59 |
| ignas_ | but that's just my opinion | 16:59 |
| * yvl seconds | 16:59 | |
| moquist | I was picturing a deb named 'mnet-wsgi'. Your idea makes more sense. | 16:59 |
| moquist | (now) | 16:59 |
| th1a | mnet-wsgi or wsgi-mnet | 16:59 |
| yvl | mnet-wsgi | 17:00 |
| * moquist seconds mnet-wsgi FWIW | 17:00 | |
| th1a | Yeah. | 17:00 |
| th1a | moquist: Do you and Brett have LP accounts? | 17:01 |
| moquist | I do. I doubt Brett does at this point. | 17:01 |
| * moquist sees if he can catch Brett online | 17:01 | |
| th1a | moquist: So you'll be submitting your plan for the next phase tomorrow? | 17:04 |
| moquist | yes-ish | 17:04 |
| moquist | in the wiki | 17:04 |
| moquist | it can be reviewed and changed | 17:05 |
| th1a | Ah, where's the wiki again? | 17:05 |
| moquist | I'm submitting enough of a plan to make it possible to quote the real plan by the 21st. :) | 17:05 |
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| moquist | Panentheos: hey, Brett | 17:06 |
| Panentheos | hi! | 17:06 |
| moquist | th1a: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Development:SchoolTool_Integration | 17:06 |
| moquist | no real change since last meeting. I might get to work on it today; otherwise, tonight. | 17:06 |
| th1a | moquist: OK. | 17:06 |
| moquist | Panentheos: so we're thinking mnet should be called mnet-wsgi | 17:06 |
| moquist | and I think we might be on the verge of figuring out where it should live | 17:07 |
| th1a | So you're planning on bouncing things back and forth for the next few weeks to come up with the final plan. | 17:07 |
| moquist | Yes. | 17:07 |
| th1a | Yeah, we need more understanding of how the school actually works. | 17:07 |
| moquist | I was hoping to have more of that right now, but it didn't happen, and I don't think anything is derailed as a result. | 17:08 |
| moquist | I hope Joe is happy with a wiki page that looks right and at least doesn't say anything wrong. | 17:08 |
| moquist | It will inevitably be too vague from an implementor's standpoint until we're closer to the 21st. | 17:09 |
| th1a | They don't seem like the kind of folks who give you vague instructions and then get pissed off if you give them a somewhat vague result. | 17:09 |
| * moquist nods | 17:10 | |
| moquist | They get disappointed if you give them a crappy result. We won't do that. :) | 17:10 |
| th1a | And guessing at something at a higher level of detail than we understand their needs (based on what they've told us) is not going to be helpful, just a waste of time. | 17:10 |
| th1a | I think we're on the right track. | 17:10 |
| moquist | Ah - excellent. That's even better than merely not being derailed. | 17:11 |
| th1a | lol | 17:11 |
| moquist | So Panentheos was planning to send mnet to me tomorrow, and I was going to attach it to my report email to Joe. We can figure out later where to put it, I think. | 17:11 |
| th1a | Well, I can set up a project on LP. | 17:12 |
| th1a | I'll do that. | 17:12 |
| moquist | It probably also needs some review, and we probably won't get that done by tomorrow. | 17:12 |
| moquist | th1a: great; thanks | 17:12 |
| moquist | Panentheos: if you don't have a launchpad account, could you please create one? Then th1a can make you a team member and you'll have upload privs. | 17:13 |
| * moquist assumes that is the desired plan | 17:13 | |
| th1a | Yeah. | 17:13 |
| Panentheos | I did create an account, I think... | 17:13 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Thanks moquist & Panentheos. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Lumi|USA2|BRA0: You alive? | 17:14 |
| th1a | Watching soccer, I guess? | 17:15 |
| th1a | I guess that was yesterday... | 17:15 |
| th1a | Final score USA2|BRA3. | 17:16 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 17:16 |
| th1a | So for this next release I'm going to push the "SchoolTool as a personal gradebook/attendance next year" angle. | 17:17 |
| th1a | On the open source in ed mailing lists, etc. | 17:17 |
| th1a | Now that school's out and we'll have a few more gradebook fixes in. | 17:17 |
| * yvl nods | 17:18 | |
| th1a | I don't have any other news... jelkner seemed excited by his trip to the FOSSED conference. | 17:18 |
| th1a | Although jelkner is easily excited. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | excited how? | 17:19 |
| aelkner | that is true | 17:19 |
| th1a | Excited about interoperability with Maraha in particular. | 17:19 |
| th1a | He got to see some Moodle/Maraha/LAMS action. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | well, interoperability is an exciting thing | 17:20 |
| yvl | umm, Mahara maybe? | 17:20 |
| th1a | Yeah, I can't remember that name. | 17:21 |
| th1a | moquist can confirm that I say it wrong every time. | 17:21 |
| * moquist confirms | 17:22 | |
| th1a | Any last words? | 17:22 |
| th1a | Have a great week, gentlemen! | 17:22 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:23 | |
| th1a | moquist: Don't hesitate to ask if you need any SchoolTool info/advice in writing this stuff up. | 17:23 |
| moquist | th1a: I won't, and I will. | 17:23 |
| yvl | a good week for you all :) | 17:23 |
| moquist | I'll want the interfaces spec reviewed. | 17:23 |
| th1a | ignas_: Is there any real reason to display timetable calendars now that timetable events are regular events? | 17:36 |
| ignas_ | th1a: hmm, i think the usecase was "only show timetable events" | 17:38 |
| ignas_ | th1a: teachers don't care about non-timetable events sometimes when overlaying | 17:38 |
| th1a | I think we should just chuck the column at this point. | 17:39 |
| yvl | ah, ignas_, thank you | 17:42 |
| yvl | ignas_, did you kill the pure timetable calendar views? | 17:42 |
| yvl | those that check if 'ttschema' in app? | 17:42 |
| ignas_ | pure timetable calendar views? | 17:42 |
| ignas_ | we had them? | 17:43 |
| yvl | there are two templates: | 17:43 |
| yvl | timetable_template | 17:43 |
| yvl | non_timetable_template | 17:43 |
| yvl | for calendar views | 17:43 |
| yvl | have no idea what the timetable_template does | 17:43 |
| ignas_ | hmm, can recall something, but these are rather "with timetables" and "without timetables" | 17:43 |
| ignas_ | not "pure timetable" | 17:44 |
| ignas_ | point being - have the possibility to disable timetables completely and still have it working | 17:44 |
| ignas_ | as Filip or Chris was working on term integration with calendar | 17:44 |
| ignas_ | I insisted on having separate code and templates for the parts that depend on timetables being present | 17:45 |
| ignas_ | so that if you turn off timetabling your calendar still works | 17:45 |
| yvl | I see | 17:45 |
| yvl | well, I'll do some chopping and burning then | 17:45 |
| ignas_ | i mean - they got kind of weird now that "terms" are mandatory | 17:45 |
| yvl | and buggy | 17:46 |
| ignas_ | but the idea of "we don't need timetables" is quite sane | 17:46 |
| yvl | don't forget buggy | 17:46 |
| ignas_ | because cando does not use timetables | 17:46 |
| ignas_ | and forcing timetables on them is not nice ;) | 17:46 |
| yvl | okay.... | 17:47 |
| yvl | thanks th1a, ignas_ | 17:47 |
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| th1a | moquist: GPL v.2? | 19:40 |
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| fsufitch | Lumi|USA2|BRA0, ping | 22:28 |
| fsufitch | nice username | 22:28 |
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| replaceafill | aelkner, ping | 23:03 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ping | 23:31 |
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