IRC log of #schooltool for Friday, 2006-06-16

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seb__Hi everybody04:08
seb__I cannot found "devmode on/off" in schooltool.conf.in04:08
seb__Can anyone help me?04:09
jintyseb__: probably was not updated. just add it?04:10
seb__I try to add it, but i'm pretty sure that it cannot be add anywhere in the file.04:10
seb__Do you know between what and what I should put it?04:11
seb__Or if you have it, can you send it to me by e-mail?04:11
jintythe order does not matter04:15
jintyhow are you sure you cannot add it?04:15
seb__give me a minute04:15
jintywhich versionare you usung?04:15
seb__the lastest one04:15
jintylatest stable? latest svn? or latest nightly tarball?04:16
jintyAh, that's latest stable, devmode is only avalible from svn or nightly tarball04:16
seb__I talk to Tom Hoffman by e-mail yesterday and I ask him how I should be able to see the structure of SchoolTool and he told me that it was a good way to do so.04:17
seb__Have any suggestion?04:17
jinty ??04:18
jintyor get a subversion checkout04:18
seb__Well I install it on my ubuntu server.04:18
seb__I want to install this in a new school opening in september 200604:19
seb__I'm trying to see which file do what...04:19
jintyperhaps that is what you want?04:21
seb__Maybe I'm not clear04:22
seb__I'm a french guy doing my best in english.04:23
seb__Basicly, I install SchoolTool on my server and it's working really find. I was able to add new student and prof on a local ZOPE3 DB.04:23
seb__I'm wondering how the backend work. I want to customize some few thing cause school work different in Montreal,Canada than in the USA04:24
seb__As I can understand, most of the code is in /src folder04:25
seb__But from there it's a bit hard for me to day what do what04:25
jintyah, well, basically you've gotta understand quite a bit of Zope3 before you can understand schooltool04:26
seb__I'm working on it04:29
seb__I have another question than, more easy one I hope.04:29
seb__In SchoolTool 0.11.4, Is it normal that I don't see any gradebook04:31
seb__I can't sse any attendance neighter04:31
jintyyep, that functionality is only in the un-released version04:31
seb__ok good04:31
seb__As per Tom, it should be release next week in SchoolTool 2006 ?04:32
jintythere should be an alpha release next week04:32
jintyfor testing, not production04:32
seb__As I can understand, you work on this project ?04:33
seb__Do you have any suggestion for me about Zope3. Any tutorial or..04:35
jintyfor light customization, you could start with page templates04:35
jinty^^ random tutorial found by google04:36
jintythose are the *.pt files in the source04:36
seb__Thanks a lot for your help04:37
jintyno worries04:37
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vidaspva, sveikas, jau maniau niekas nepasirodys14:16
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povbot/svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 6257:14:28
povbot/svn/commits: Refactored security policy functional semi-doctest, to be continued.14:28
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6258:15:11
povbot/svn/commits: Fix functional test breakage.15:11
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toxygenwhat's correct way of stopping schooltool? just control-c?15:31
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ignasth1a_desk: ayt ?16:57
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6259:16:58
povbot/svn/commits: Add access control for section requirements.16:58
pcarduneignas: so what are the final permissions that are going to stick around?17:01
ignasschooltool.edit and schooltool.view and schooltool.add (usage of the add permission is discouraged ;)17:02
pcarduneok thanks17:03
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erchacheth1a: did you read my mail?17:58
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povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 6260:18:10
povbot/svn/commits: Added a TALES adapter to check access to an object.  It can be used like this:18:10
povbot/svn/commits: <p tal:condition="context/can_access:title"18:10
povbot/svn/commits: tal:content="context/title" />18:10
povbot/svn/commits: Added use of this adapter in a few templates, updated functional test correspondingly.18:10
povbot/svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 6261:18:26
povbot/svn/commits: Remove teachers from administration crowd. Disable failing doctests.18:26
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paolob-dirbasicaHi guys! Anyone knows if schooltools is still being developed?18:58
gintasof course18:59
gintastwo people are working full time on SchoolTool hee18:59
algapaolob-dirbasica: hang around in this channel and you'll see the commit messages posted here18:59
algaor read the irc log18:59
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paolob-dirbasicagintas, what the scheduled? will we have something usable for the schools before septiember? the web site seems very static!19:06
gintasit's best to talk about these things with Tom Hoffman, our manager19:06
gintasI'm just a lowly programmer :)19:07
paolob-dirbasicagintas, where do I contact him?19:07
gintasalthough as far as I know we are planning 3-4 deployments this autumn19:07
gintasand any interested people are welcome19:07
gintaspaolob-dirbasica: his nick is th1a19:08
gintashe appears to be away at the moment19:08
paolob-dirbasicahi th1a ,19:08
gintashis e-mail: tom dot hoffman at gmail dot com19:08
th1aHi paolob-dirbasica19:08
th1aI was making lunch.19:08
povbot/svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 6262:19:08
povbot/svn/commits: More of security functional test.19:09
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th1apaolob-dirbasica: The web site is static because we're focusing on writing code as fast as possible.19:09
paolob-dirbasicath1a, I have a schoolt, we begin the new school year on august 21. What will we have before that date?19:09
th1aWe'll have attendance, demographics, and some gradebook/reporting running.19:10
th1aBut there is a big difference between running and "I recommend random people commit their school's vital data to the system."19:11
paolob-dirbasicath1a, and what about importing data from the database of another similar program? will be something to import it automatically?19:11
th1aThat's a big issue.19:13
paolob-dirbasicawhat database is schooltool working with? postgresql? mysql?19:14
gintasit uses an object database, ZODB19:14
paolob-dirbasicagintas, i.e. a custom one?19:14
gintasnot quite19:15
gintasZODB is a technology shipped with Zope19:15
gintaswe use Zope as the platform19:15
th1apaolob-dirbasica: What would you be exporting from?19:15
gintasso it's not custom meaning "made specifically for this project", but "custom" in terms of popularity ;)19:16
paolob-dirbasicath1a, centre19:16
th1aAh.  Where are you?19:16
paolob-dirbasicaI have been using it for two years, but very insatisfactoryly. I couldn't perform various operation, I thing the database corrupted.19:17
paolob-dirbasicath1a, I am in dominican republic19:17
th1aRealistically, you'll want to migrate in a year.19:18
th1aWe'll have a development release next week that you can try out and give us some feedback on, however.19:19
paolob-dirbasicath1a, how do I manage it in ubuntu? a separate package or will you include in the "security upgrades"?19:20
ignasth1a: one more question :) people don't really have views for their personal gradebooks, is it ok if i'll just skip that part of the access control table ? Oh and we could not find any mentions of archived scores in the documentation too ...19:22
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th1aignas: It seems like srichter should handle that stuff as he rewrites it.19:25
ignashope so19:25
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 6263:19:42
povbot/svn/commits: Committing security-related fixes for the section view.19:42
povbot/svn/commits: These lack docstrings and unittests (to be added soon), but they already fix a couple functional tests.19:42
th1ajinty: ayt?19:48
th1aEr.  I guess he isn't.19:49
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6264:19:50
povbot/svn/commits: Fix some attendance permissions.19:50
ignasth1a: what is the plan for the next release ? are we going to have something like a feature freeze and work on the ui, or do you have some more important features planned ?20:01
povbot/svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 6265:20:02
povbot/svn/commits: More security functional tests, some commented out.20:02
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th1aignas: That is a good question.  We need some reports.  Many bugfixes & UI work.20:09
th1aI mean, we need to be able to generate some reports.20:09
ignasreports a.k.a. pdfs according to some spec provided by a school ?20:10
th1aAnd more useful html reports as well.20:10
ignasoh, and i just recalled my initial question ;)20:12
ignasat what time will you be perticipating in the workshop tomorow20:13
ignasas i could probably try being available on-line in case you or anyone else needs help with access control stuff20:13
th1aignas  It'll be about 9:00 to 4:00 EDT.  However, I discovered much to my embarassment that it is Sunday, not tomorrow.20:16
th1aSo srichter won't be with me.20:16
th1aI think I can handle it.  I'm not expecting a big crowd.20:16
ignaswhat exactly will be happening there ?20:17
th1aBasically I'm going to be walking people through setting up a complete calendar system for a school.20:17
th1aOn a development version of the code ;-)20:17
th1aAnd poking around the new parts with them.20:18
ignasyou should rehearse tomorrow then20:18
th1aYes.  An extra day helps.20:18
ignasand if you will notice anything not working the way it should yell at me :)20:18
th1aWe will file many, many bugs I think.20:18
ignasthough if it's a demo sticking to manager user is still the best bet ;)20:19
ignasnot that it should be expected to break otherwise20:19
th1aWe'll get these people involved in the open source development process whether they want to be or not!20:19
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6266:20:24
povbot/svn/commits: Make attendance data editable by section instructors when appropriate setting is set.20:24
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6267:20:32
povbot/svn/commits: Allow section learners see section activities.20:32
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6268:20:55
povbot/svn/commits: A typo.20:56
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ignasth1a: requirement permissions might be flaky (probably are not as far as i know) as we have found a very devious bug in the implementation that prevents access control tests for requirements running properly21:08
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ignasnot sure i will manage to find the exact cause21:08
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6269:21:19
povbot/svn/commits: Uncomment some tests.21:19
ignasnot sure i will manage to find the exact cause21:21
ignassorry, the curse of "up enter"21:21
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6270:21:25
povbot/svn/commits: Uncommented a functional test.21:25
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th1aignas:  OK.21:44
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6271:22:16
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed person preference permissions.22:16
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povbot/svn/commits: More functional testing for security, made more human-readable.23:54
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