IRC log of #schooltool for Thursday, 2005-12-15

povbot`/svn/commits: * hoffman committed revision 5448:00:44
povbot`/svn/commits: Forgot the package-includes.00:44
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povbot`/svn/commits: * hoffman committed revision 5449:08:41
povbot`/svn/commits: Nicked the requirement unit tests and tried them as integration tests (mostly).  They work except for the last one (commented out).  I also moved the adapter declarations all into requirement.08:41
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ignassrichter, ayt ?11:52
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erchacheanybody here?12:19
* mgedmin waves12:20
erchachemgedmin: are you busy? or ar a autoreply message?12:21
mgedminI'm kind of in the middle of something12:21
erchachei have some problems with sections on schooltool and i want to show all calendar for unauthenticated user on schoolbell and schooltool :-S12:22
erchachewrite a mail better?12:23
povbot`/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5450:12:23
povbot`/svn/commits: Extracted a viewlet manager for the Calendar event information box.12:23
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mgedminis "someone was tardy to Math" valid English?14:58
mgedminor should it rather be "someone was late to Math"?14:58
mgedminAiste says it should be "late for Math", not "late to Math"15:06
* mgedmin thinks nobody else is here15:16
mgedminalga: the task you said might be finished is only half finished -- in my interpretation implementing IDayAttendance is part of that task15:16
tiredbonesmgedmin, I read in the abstract for buildbot that the user with a build slave get notified when an update took place.Do we have this facility?15:22
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5451:15:29
povbot/svn/commits: Reordered imports.15:29
mgedmintiredbones, yes15:31
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ignasth1a, ayt ?15:43
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5452:15:47
povbot/svn/commits: English fix.15:47
tiredbonesmgedmin, is it possible to be notified without having a slave? Could I be notified?15:49
mgedmintiredbones, you could lurk on this channel and watch for announcements from povbot ;)15:50
mgedmintiredbones, or subscribe to checkins@schooltool.org15:50
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5453:15:50
povbot/svn/commits: Change API of makeTardy and late_arrival to contain full datetime, not just time.15:50
* mgedmin thinks that maybe getSchoolToolApplication should be a utility15:53
mgedminthat way unit tests can stub it more easily, instead of having to use setSite() etc.15:53
mgedminhmm, buildbot's master stopped noticing commits after I rebooted the server today15:54
srichtergetSchoolToolApplication as a utiulity would be indeed a good thing15:54
tiredbonesmgedmin, I have subscribe to, but I've have not seen any commits there. I just lurk on the channel. Thanks15:57
mgedmintiredbones, that's curious -- I get all the commit messages from checkins@schooltool.org15:59
mgedmindo you use spamcop?15:59
mgedminthe server that hosts all schooltool's mailing lists was blocked recently15:59
mgedminbut it should have been unblocked by now15:59
mgedmin(there was a bug in a Zope 2 form on another vhost that let spammers use it as an open proxy.  cursed DTML.)16:00
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5454:16:24
povbot/svn/commits: Extracted calendar display preferences from IPersonPreferences and IApplicationPreferences into ICalendarDisplayPreferences.16:24
povbot/svn/commits: Juggled some imports so that depends on schooltool.person.interfaces, and not vice versa.  My gut feeling is that should depend on st.person, but not vice versa.  Current situation is that and st.person have a circular dependency.16:24
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5455:16:26
povbot/svn/commits: Typo.16:26
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5456:16:27
povbot/svn/commits: Demystification.16:27
tiredbonesmgedmin, Well when I went to the page "" it showed the page for schooltool, ahd I'm subscribe to that.16:40
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5457:16:42
povbot/svn/commits: Converted schooltool.attendance.interfaces to use zope.schema.16:42
mgedmintiredbones, ?16:42
tiredbonesmgedmin, thanks for the pointer, that's the one I can use. I'll subscribe now.16:45
th1aignas:  What's up?17:38
ignaswhat is your opinion about multiple ttschemas, overlapping terms ?17:39
th1aIn what sense?17:39
ignasin any17:40
th1aThey must be allowed, although I imagine that we'll find some unexpected consequences at various points.17:40
th1aI don't think they are an issue with any of our partners, so it isn't crucial.  I should ask them.17:41
th1aI guess I'm more concerned that our underlying model should handle them than anything.17:42
ignasbecause well - at the moment we do not really support overlapping terms17:42
ignasbut they are not disabled17:42
th1aWhat happens?17:42
ignasweird things imght happen17:42
ignaswe are not handling them17:42
ignaswe are assuming that terms do not overlap17:43
ignasthere are functions getTermForDate ...17:43
th1aWell, let's consider those minor bugs.  If you note them when you see them it would be helpful.17:44
ignaswhat about new code ?17:45
ignasshould it be prepared to handle such things as overlaping terms ?17:45
ignasor just assume there aren't any17:45
th1aWe've put a lot of time into those timetable models.17:46
th1aIf we don't make sure they actually work as designed we've wasted a lot of time on those timetable models.17:47
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 5458:17:47
povbot/svn/commits: Traversal to the realtime attendance view -- work in progress.17:47
ignasi see :/17:51
ignassometimes it feels like having interfering goals tohugh17:51
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erchacheanybody here?18:40
th1aHi erchache.18:40
erchachei put to work to my clerck...he introduce all classrooms, terms and section of health faculty18:41
erchachewe have some problems with sections18:41
erchachei want to say before write mail to list or add an issue, ok?18:42
th1aYes, what's the problem?18:43
erchachei use schooltool for computer science classrooms, and have problems to make pdf of month timetables and i dont know how unauthenticated users can see all my timetables18:43
erchacheth1a: when i create a section and after make his schedule, i cant modify or delete it....why?18:44
erchacheschedule cant be deleted or modified18:44
th1aI don't know.  I'll have a look.18:45
erchacheother question is....when i make a schedule for a term and after make other different term.....schedule form arent update with database information, always appears same days, timetables and terms18:45
th1aI'm not sure what you mean.  What do you expect to happen?18:46
erchacheother question....when i search for a section, must be exactly definition18:46
erchachewell....i start again18:46
erchacheyou get a section no?18:46
erchacheand you want to asign a schedule for get a timetable for it no?18:47
erchacheyou go to schedule, get a term, a timetable and get days for this no?18:47
erchacheall is correct at this point18:47
erchachebut when you try to modify or delete this information, i can't....doesnt appear any delete button or similar18:48
erchachearent finished this module program? i dont make correct steps?18:48
th1aI didn't understand the second question.18:48
erchachewhen i create a schedule for a section after i cant delete or modify it....why?18:50
th1aI'm taking a look at it.18:50
th1aOn SchoolTool 0.11.2 I can change a section's schedule.18:52
th1aI'm just going to the section, clicking "Schedule" and getting the same form I originally got.18:53
erchacheon 0.11.3 my version i cant18:54
th1aWhat happens?18:54
th1aOh, you want to change the term or timetable?18:54
th1aI see.18:55
th1aYes, you can't do that yet.18:55
erchachebut this form doesnt modify older information18:55
erchachei push update18:55
erchacheand doesnt show on calendars18:55
erchacheand if i add information are added correctly but i cant delete or modify it18:56
th1aIf you modify the meeting times half way through the semester, should it change all the dates or just the ones in the future?18:59
erchacheonly if add.....modify are disable19:03
erchachei can add all i want but doesnt modify to delete19:03
erchacheth1a: are you here? :-S19:08
th1aYou are right that you can't modify those things.19:09
erchachewhy? :-S19:09
erchachemisterious bug?19:09
erchachemake a issue about that?19:09
th1aIt is unclear what it would mean to change the term of a section, especially after the section started.19:09
erchacheother question is on index sections, doesnt show total number of items19:09
th1aAfter the term started.19:10
erchachebut i should can modify it no?19:10
erchacheor delete completly no?19:10
th1aAll you can do at this point is delete the old one and make a new one for the new term.19:10
erchachei have 18 classrooms, 53 courses and 159 sections.....19:11
th1aDo the same groups meet next term?19:11
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erchachei cant understand your question :-S19:12
th1aHow did you create them in the first place?19:12
erchachelike you put on little howto19:13
th1aBy hand?19:13
th1aDidn't import them?19:13
erchacheother question is csv or ldap19:13
th1aWhy do you need to change the term?19:14
erchacheno no i dont need to modify term....i want to modify schedule's section19:14
th1aHow do you need to modify it?19:15
erchachebecause i introduce wrong information19:16
th1aPrecisely which information do you need to modify?19:19
erchacheschedule of a section19:19
th1aIt's meeting time?19:19
th1aThe little checkboxes?19:19
erchacheand term and timetable checkboxes of schedule too19:20
th1aAnd you're saying that when you check them, it only changes meeting times in the future, not in the past?19:20
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th1aI think that's the correct behaviour.19:20
th1aWho cares about the past anyhow?19:20
th1aI mean, I suppose ideally we'd have a checkbox that let you change things in the past as well.19:21
erchachea second...telephone :-S19:21
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5459:19:29
povbot/svn/commits: Removed a LOT of unnecessary imports.19:29
povbot/svn/commits: All tests pass.  Well, except for the one that fails because Albert forgot to svn add a new file in his sandbox.19:29
erchacheth1a: im here again...sorry19:31
th1aWhy do you need to change past date?19:31
erchacheth1a: ok....supose you say truth....where i can modify these schedule?19:31
erchachefor example, clerk fails and wants to delete this wrong information19:32
th1aI think we've returned to where we were a half hour ago.19:32
erchacheor a teacher wants to made a last minute modification19:32
th1aOn the meeting times of a section?19:32
erchachei put information of schedule on a section19:32
erchacheand when i see on calendar....i confirm are wrong....wants to delete or modify19:33
erchachehow i can do it?19:33
th1aIf you go back to section > schedule, you should be able to change the meeting times but not the timetable schema or term.19:34
th1aWhat happens?19:34
erchachei dont want to change timetable or term...i want to change day and hour checkboxes19:35
erchacheterm and timetable puts day and hour to select for schedule no?19:35
erchacheif i select wrongs day/hour checkboxes how i can modify it?19:35
erchachedeselecting? nope....doesnt run19:36
th1aWhat do you mean, doesn't run?19:36
th1aWorks for me.19:37
erchacheif i put a schedule for one term to days, monday and friday to 10:00 am to 11:00 am19:37
erchacheand wants to change to 9:00 am to 11:00 am19:37
erchacheeee excuse me excuse me19:38
erchacheto 8:00 am to 9:00 am19:38
erchacheprograms show 8:00 to 9:00 am and 10:00 to 11:00 boths because add information without delete previous19:38
erchachei supose schedule form change all entire information of a section for a timetable and term selected no?19:39
th1aIn the future?19:39 the future the present!....arrrggghhhh19:39
erchachevery dificult to explain!19:39
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erchachechanging the chip19:41
erchacheimagine i make a schedule for a section step by step like your little howto no?19:41
erchacheand after this....i see and wants to delete it19:41
erchachehow i can do it?19:41
erchachedoesnt have delete button and changing checkboxes of days and hour to select doesnt run19:42
erchachealguien habla espaƱol?19:42
th1aAt this point, you'd have to delete the section.19:42
th1aAlthough changing the meeting times seems to work for me.  At least in the present and future.19:43
erchacheme not :-(19:43
erchachewell...other little questions....i will try to write a readable issue of this19:43
th1aWe just didn't implement anything to remove schedules.19:44
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5460:19:44
erchachemust be done....19:44
povbot/svn/commits: Some more unused import cleanups.19:44
th1aProbably you just need a script to jump into the database and do it directly.19:44
erchacheother bug....19:44
erchachewhen i see index of sections doesnt appear all number of sections like courses, persons, term etc19:45
erchacheand when try to find a specific section introducing his name, must be exactly.....why? i want to search for a part of term for for all math sections19:46
erchachei have math I, math II, math III19:46
erchachei want to see all sections starts for 'math' and doesnt run19:46
erchacheput a issue about that too?19:47
th1aOur searching is probably overly simplistic right now.19:48
erchacheyea i think you use AND instead OR ;-) or similar19:49
th1aThat might be part of the problem.19:49
erchacheand can i make a subterm?19:49
erchachea child term for a previous term?19:49
erchachethis is because i have courses that change of classroom on same term19:51
th1aThat's not good.19:52
erchachewell....are distribution problem...19:54
erchachebut i think more schools have same problem no?19:54
th1aI don't know.19:55
erchachehehehe i think this is "real" problem....19:55
erchachei see program like a final user with programming and design knowledge19:55
th1aThis is the kind of thing where we hope people will start "scratching their own itch."19:56
erchacheand see two side of program19:56
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5461:21:24
povbot/svn/commits: Removed some commented out debugging hook.21:24
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mgedminyes! buildbot works now21:30
mgedminand all I had to do was sacrifice a goat and two chickens21:30
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GetHow do I add a user?21:40
mgedminGet, you log in as a manager (username: manager, default password: schooltool)21:56
Getthx mgedmin21:57
mgedminclick on 'Persons' in the navigation box on the left21:57
mgedminthen click on 'New Person' in the actions box below the navigation box21:57
mgedmineach person is a user21:57
Getthx a lot21:58
mgedmin(and there really should be an 'Add' button next to the 'Delete' button in the listing on the right:
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povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 5462:22:19
povbot/svn/commits: Returning my unit testing debt.22:19
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