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| JohnnyST | Will there be a dev meeting today? | 10:46 |
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| erchache | hi | 13:07 |
| erchache | when starts dev meet? | 13:07 |
| erchache | here are 12:00 pm | 13:07 |
| erchache | ignas | 13:08 |
| ignas | Dev meetings Mon, 13:30 UTC | 13:08 |
| ignas | see the topic | 13:08 |
| erchache | at 14:00 pm to me no? my math are a shit when wake up | 13:09 |
| ignas | don't know what timezone you ar in | 13:10 |
| erchache | utc +1 | 13:11 |
| erchache | yeah on work.... | 13:11 |
| erchache | see later | 13:11 |
| erchache | bye | 13:11 |
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| tiredbones2 | Is there a meeting today? | 15:52 |
| * mgedmin looks around for th1a, but does not see him | 15:53 | |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 15:53 | |
| alga | we're all at a loss... | 15:53 |
| tiredbones2 | I hope everthing is ok with thla. | 15:54 |
| srichter | there is a meeting today | 15:55 |
| srichter | Tom sent a note late last night | 15:56 |
| srichter | he still has about 34 mins till the meeting starts | 15:56 |
| alga | srichter: TZ=UTC date | 15:56 |
| alga | it's 13:57 already | 15:57 |
| srichter | we are in winter time, since last week | 15:57 |
| srichter | so he probably forgot about that | 15:57 |
| alga | seems so | 15:57 |
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| erchache | hi | 16:17 |
| erchache | uhmmm nobody talks? | 16:21 |
| srichter | 8 minutes to go | 16:22 |
| erchache | jinty: many jobmates are asking for me to implement schoolbell and schooltool on our university dependences, what do you think about that? | 16:30 |
| erchache | i think this can overflood my espectatives... | 16:30 |
| jinty | what do you mean by dependencies??? | 16:30 |
| erchache | our teachers for planning class.... | 16:33 |
| srichter | btw, since you guys are waiting for Tom, it would be great to send me some comments about my Tutorial Generator idea | 16:33 |
| erchache | us for resources and class | 16:33 |
| erchache | our conserjes....wait...i try to find a translation... | 16:33 |
| erchache | PAS for resources and class....like projectors, laptops, and similar.....and to get a timetable of class | 16:35 |
| erchache | arrrgghhh wait im moving a server from another....a second | 16:35 |
| erchache | its a good tool to planning our work | 16:36 |
| erchache | but all my jobmate i show my server says....ey....i want one for me on christmas | 16:36 |
| jinty | heh! | 16:37 |
| jinty | if they want to use it, why not? | 16:37 |
| erchache | because i dont have enough time and resources to do that! ;-) | 16:38 |
| erchache | and doesnt have technical skills to do that too | 16:38 |
| erchache | me for example, im triying to learn zope | 16:39 |
| jinty | you mean to do it, you will have to customize schooltool/schoolbell a bit? | 16:40 |
| erchache | in this week i have a meet with my boss... | 16:40 |
| erchache | no no i dont need that...but i need it because im working with plone too....and i want to know all posibilities to solve future problems with it | 16:41 |
| erchache | you know... | 16:42 |
| erchache | i think my boss are very pleased to help me to promote your software on my university | 16:42 |
| erchache | and i want to promote it too on high schools of Andalucía and extremadura with guadalinex and linex distros | 16:43 |
| jinty | arn't guadalinex and linex debian based distros? | 16:44 |
| erchache | yeah | 16:45 |
| erchache | the most important spanish distros of internet | 16:45 |
| erchache | guadalinex was born from linex....linex is entirely debian.....but guadalinex will ubuntized on next version | 16:46 |
| erchache | www.interactor.coop are doing this work....because we prefer ubuntu than pure debian....ubuntu are more easy to install | 16:47 |
| jinty | ah, yes, I know interactor | 16:47 |
| erchache | i meet with quim gil on merida conference...its a good guy and very very funny | 16:48 |
| jinty | so the main issue is being able to solve problems with schooltool/schoolbell when they arise? | 16:48 |
| erchache | we are planning to make a fork of guadalinex for our university... | 16:49 |
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| erchache | yeah...im afraid i cant solve all of that....i need learn more about schooltool/bell, zope/plone.... | 16:49 |
| erchache | schoolbell its very easy...has few options....but i dont work with schooltool yet.... | 16:50 |
| jinty | parhaps we can meet in person to talk a little more about this, I have been doing zope development for a little while. But no schooltool coding... | 16:52 |
| erchache | no? what are you working now? | 16:54 |
| jinty | customizing CalZope for people... | 16:55 |
| erchache | calzope?? what is this? O_o | 16:55 |
| jinty | google? | 16:56 |
| erchache | jajaja | 16:57 |
| erchache | yeah....a second | 16:57 |
| erchache | only svn and cvs.... :-( | 16:59 |
| JohnnyST | re | 17:03 |
| JohnnyST | Will there be a dev meeting today? | 17:03 |
| srichter | looks like Tom overslept ;-) | 17:03 |
| JohnnyST | ok :) | 17:04 |
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| erchache | th1a: where did you fall? | 17:23 |
| erchache | everybody are asking for you... | 17:23 |
| th1a | Uh oh. | 17:24 |
| erchache | well im going to take a coffee | 17:25 |
| th1a | I guess my mental calculation was wrong about what happens when EDT becomes EST. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Ug. | 17:27 |
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| tiredbones2 | thla, are you going to have any kind of a meeting today? | 17:34 |
| th1a | Ah... the intent was to have one, but I convinced myself that after daylight savings time ended that 1330 UTC would become 10:30 AM instead of 8:30 AM. So I slept two hours to long :-( | 17:36 |
| th1a | too long. | 17:36 |
| tiredbones2 | thla needs beauty rest. | 17:37 |
| th1a | I stayed up late Saturday night after UBZ ended, then drove all day yesterday. | 17:38 |
| erchache | well i need a little feature on schooltool software....i have a little 'big' problem...can hear me? | 17:52 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:52 |
| erchache | i work on a university...and has many faculties.....med, arch, maths, physics, computer science, and so... | 17:54 |
| erchache | how i can integrate all on same schooltool server? because is a hard work to have some instances, with some data.fs and some url to do that | 17:54 |
| erchache | schooltool/bell are made to work with only entity....but what i can work with many entities? | 17:55 |
| th1a | Can't they all just be groups? | 17:55 |
| erchache | groups? | 17:55 |
| th1a | Groups? | 17:55 |
| erchache | a second | 17:55 |
| erchache | no no...groups is for persons...not for resources....timetables....calendar....and so... | 17:56 |
| erchache | must be schooltool inside many schooltools.....you know? | 17:57 |
| th1a | You use permissions to assign resources to groups. | 17:57 |
| erchache | no....eehhh.... | 17:57 |
| erchache | i need to group all diferentes faculties into same server and same instance | 17:57 |
| erchache | but must be individual on browser...argghhh dificult to explain | 17:58 |
| erchache | i dont want to get this: | 17:58 |
| erchache | math faculty: math.us.es-----with 1 instance on a 8888 port----with a data.fs | 17:59 |
| erchache | computer faculty: computer.us.es-----with 1 instance on a 8889 port-----with a data.fs | 17:59 |
| erchache | you know....and so... | 17:59 |
| th1a | The idea is that the different faculties would be different groups on one instance. | 18:00 |
| erchache | i need 1 url on dns.....1 free tcp port....1 zope instance on memory....and 1 data.fs | 18:00 |
| erchache | multiply that for any facullty and resources grow a lot | 18:00 |
| erchache | can you understand im triying to talking about? O_o | 18:01 |
| erchache | this can be a structural change on schooltool developmen :-( | 18:01 |
| th1a | I don't understand why this can't be handled by setting up groups on one SchoolTool instance. | 18:02 |
| erchache | because resources, persons, and timetables are different on any faculty....must be independent | 18:03 |
| erchache | but software need contain on one only instance, data.fs | 18:03 |
| th1a | Timetables are different? | 18:04 |
| th1a | Classes start and end at different times? | 18:04 |
| th1a | Well, even that can be handled in the current system. You can set up multiple timetable schemas. | 18:05 |
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| erchache | uhmmm...this is more difficult at first time appears....i need to think better | 18:05 |
| erchache | because some jobmates are asking to install a schoolbell | 18:06 |
| erchache | and i think is better to install all on same server than get many servers along network | 18:06 |
| erchache | i dont know if you get my idea.... :-( | 18:07 |
| erchache | th1a: ? | 18:09 |
| th1a | It should be possible to install the current SchoolBell and SchoolTool Calendar releases as Zope content objects, which I think is what you want to do. Some things, like PDF support won't work, and this approach isn't going to be supported in the future. | 18:10 |
| th1a | See http://source.schooltool.org/svn/tags/schoolbell-1.2.3/src/schoolbell/app/README.txt | 18:11 |
| erchache | yepa... | 18:12 |
| erchache | and why dont support? | 18:12 |
| th1a | Because we need to save development time. | 18:13 |
| erchache | uhmm.... | 18:13 |
| erchache | dont worry....i try to find a solution from admin system vision... | 18:13 |
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| dman13 | Hello. I am experiencing some timezone related issues with school bell. Is anyone available now to discuss them? | 19:34 |
| th1a | Hi dman13. | 19:44 |
| th1a | What's up? | 19:44 |
| dman13 | th1a: hi | 19:45 |
| dman13 | one problem I have is incorrect display of events | 19:46 |
| dman13 | I finally figured it out last night: | 19:46 |
| dman13 | I am in EST (US east coast) | 19:46 |
| th1a | Do you have the lastest version (1.2.3)? | 19:46 |
| dman13 | if I have an event that is from 7pm-10pm, the browser view shows it on both the correct day and the day after | 19:46 |
| dman13 | I have 1.2.2 | 19:46 |
| dman13 | were there timezone fixes in 1.2.3? | 19:47 |
| th1a | Aha. Yes. | 19:47 |
| dman13 | (fwiw I don't have problems in 1.1, but that's because I only need one tz) | 19:47 |
| dman13 | ok, I'll have to try that and see if the schoolbell-only problems remain | 19:47 |
| dman13 | the other problem is with moz calendar | 19:47 |
| dman13 | 1.2 puts 'Z' at the end of the time stamp. I assume that means UTC. | 19:47 |
| dman13 | Moz then compensates for my local timezone, but ignores the tz set in preferences | 19:48 |
| dman13 | is there a way to make it not do that? either slapping moz or telling sb not to put the tz in the iCalendar file | 19:48 |
| th1a | I don't know the answer to that question. | 19:49 |
| dman13 | also, is there a way of handling recurring events that cross the DST boundary? | 19:49 |
| dman13 | ok. if the rest of the tz issues are resolved then moz will probably be fine. I was trying to do everything UTC to avoid the other issues :-) | 19:49 |
| th1a | I think that is on our list of bugs to be fixed. | 19:49 |
| dman13 | ok. | 19:49 |
| dman13 | I found that interesting when I fixed the event (adjusting for the introduction of timezones) and half the year it is off by an hour | 19:50 |
| dman13 | it was something I hadn't thought about before :-) | 19:50 |
| th1a | Timezones are full of surprises, unfortunately. | 19:50 |
| dman13 | yeah | 19:50 |
| dman13 | lucky me I only need one for myself | 19:51 |
| dman13 | (I'm using it as a personal calendar; the browser interface is quite nice) | 19:51 |
| dman13 | so the old version "just worked" when it assumed everything was UTC (or didn't care) | 19:51 |
| th1a | Yes. If I could do the last six months over again, we'd probably just not do timezones, cheezy as that would be. | 19:51 |
| dman13 | really? You don't have any users that need them? | 19:52 |
| th1a | No, we do. | 19:53 |
| th1a | We just um, wouldn't. | 19:53 |
| dman13 | hehe. | 19:53 |
| th1a | We sort of do, sort of don't. | 19:54 |
| th1a | Our primary use case is a school. | 19:54 |
| th1a | But the idea is having a general purpose calendar server will get more attention and developers. | 19:54 |
| dman13 | I think timezone handling is a good feature, just not quite as easy as we would like it to be. | 19:55 |
| dman13 | yeah. | 19:55 |
| th1a | It is inherently tricky. | 19:55 |
| dman13 | Yeah. At least you don't need to deal with dates in other calendar systems! Changing laws regarding DST makes programming with timezones even more fun ;-). | 20:09 |
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