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| povbot | /svn/commits: We can now build standalone relationship releases. | 00:13 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Bound SchoolTool 0.11.1 to SchoolBell 1.2.1 | 00:15 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Updated the build-debs script to support tagging releases in Subversion. | 00:25 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Initial support files for a SchoolTool release. I have not even tried creating a release from this. ;-) | 02:01 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Got the schooltool distribution to build initially and even to install. Of course, there are still no schooltool startup scripts. | 04:52 |
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| th1a | srichter: ayt? | 14:42 |
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| gintas | hi th1a | 15:41 |
| gintas | I've got to go right now | 15:43 |
| gintas | if you need anything, drop me an e-mail | 15:43 |
| gintas | I believe that the announcements are the only thing left for a proper .1 release, it would be great if you'd take care of that | 15:44 |
| gintas | bye | 15:44 |
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| srichter | th1a: I am here now | 15:57 |
| ignas | th1a, is gone at the moment | 15:58 |
| srichter | ignas: do you remember what he wanted? | 15:58 |
| srichter | ignas: or when he will be back? | 15:58 |
| ignas | he'll be back in 20-40 minutes | 15:58 |
| ignas | he wanted to ask how would one profile schooltool | 15:58 |
| ignas | so a user could send us profiling data if his calendar.ics are private | 15:59 |
| srichter | ah, I see | 15:59 |
| srichter | I saw his response to the ML | 15:59 |
| srichter | there is a tool in Zope that allows profiling | 15:59 |
| SteveA | write a tool to scramble the text in the calendar.ics ;-) | 16:00 |
| ignas | SteveA, we were thinking of generating outright random ics'es, though i guess such a tool would have it's uses ... | 16:01 |
| ignas | though i guess Data.fs anonymizer would be even better | 16:01 |
| ignas | for those cases when users have crashing bugs | 16:02 |
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| srichter | note that a Data.fs anonymizer is fairly easy to do with the storage record iterator that I used for my recent evolution script | 16:04 |
| srichter | because you are ensured you get all objects | 16:05 |
| srichter | mgedmin: I am ready for the trunk merge | 16:05 |
| srichter | I have merged all changes since the make of the branch and the evolution script is working well as well | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | yay | 16:13 |
| srichter | I also got some initial zpktools support in already | 16:15 |
| th1a | The idea of a Data.fs anonymizer to allow us to examine user Data.fs's is interesting | 16:36 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 4884: | 16:43 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Improved script to install in the correct place (iow, use --home instead of --prefix). Also got the tests to run in the test run, so we know that everything necessary is installed. | 16:43 |
| srichter | th1a: hi | 16:43 |
| th1a | Hey. | 16:43 |
| srichter | th1a: I think I have covered all points in the proposal now plus a bunch more things | 16:44 |
| srichter | th1a: as I told Marius already, I am ready to merge | 16:44 |
| th1a | Okey doke. | 16:45 |
| th1a | I just need to have Marius sign off first. | 16:45 |
| srichter | we will need some tweaks to get SchoolBell in a really good state, but that is better done once the pagelet stuff lands and Jim switches to the new test runner | 16:45 |
| th1a | I wrote up some new ideas about the UI, which, unlike what I wrote yesterday, are not insane. | 16:46 |
| srichter | th1a: as you might have seen, I also started implementing the zpkgtools overhead; we can already build a release for schooltool.relationship | 16:46 |
| srichter | I would love to see it | 16:46 |
| th1a | Bitchin. | 16:46 |
| th1a | It is actually in testbrowser format. I'm almost done. | 16:46 |
| srichter | oooh, cool | 16:47 |
| th1a | I did realize pretty quickly that making custom testbrowser methods for SchoolTool will be useful. | 16:47 |
| srichter | such as? | 16:47 |
| srichter | I have not noticed such a need... | 16:48 |
| th1a | Like, if we always have a "Tools" box, browser.getTools() | 16:48 |
| srichter | what would be in the tools? | 16:48 |
| th1a | If that's where you register links to applications, like "Gradebook," "Attendance," etc. | 16:49 |
| srichter | ahh, you see | 16:49 |
| srichter | what testbrowser *really* tells you is that our UI sucks :-) | 16:49 |
| th1a | Hm? | 16:49 |
| srichter | if something seems very repetitive and/or impossible to do, then this means that our UI is not good | 16:50 |
| srichter | do you think that in real life people will create bookmarks and really use them? | 16:50 |
| srichter | if so, testbrowser should support bookmarks | 16:50 |
| th1a | No, that's not what I mean. | 16:50 |
| th1a | I mean when a new application is added to SchoolTool, one of the places it can insert a link to itself is in "Tools." | 16:51 |
| srichter | oh, but that would be in the UI | 16:52 |
| srichter | testbrowser should only simulate a regular browser | 16:52 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:52 |
| th1a | What I am saying is that you would frequently want to see if a tool was showing up in that box. | 16:52 |
| srichter | ahhh, now I see | 16:52 |
| th1a | Just for convenience. | 16:53 |
| srichter | so you want an HTML analyzation tool | 16:53 |
| srichter | yes, we decided to not add this functionality to testbrowser itself | 16:53 |
| srichter | we could develop an htmlanalyze module for schooltool that does high-level inspection of the response HTML | 16:54 |
| th1a | All I'm saying is that it is probably easier to write a little getTools() method once | 16:54 |
| srichter | for example: | 16:54 |
| th1a | than writing probably two or three steps to find the link and make sure it is in the right div. | 16:54 |
| th1a | But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. | 16:54 |
| srichter | no, this is really needed | 16:54 |
| srichter | its just not a concern/functionality of test browser but another tool | 16:55 |
| srichter | from schooltool.testing import analyze | 16:55 |
| srichter | analyze.ensureToolAvailability('Tool X', browser.response) | 16:55 |
| srichter | or something like that | 16:55 |
| srichter | another thing would be | 16:56 |
| srichter | analyze.showElement(xpath='...') | 16:56 |
| srichter | this picks a particular element specified by xpath and displays it | 16:56 |
| srichter | this way we do not need: | 16:57 |
| srichter | <!DOCTYPE..> | 16:57 |
| srichter | ... | 16:57 |
| srichter | <element ...> | 16:57 |
| srichter | ... | 16:57 |
| srichter | I wonder whether I should implement that pretty quickly | 16:58 |
| th1a | I'm not sure I see the distinction between the analyzer and testbrowser. | 17:01 |
| srichter | the testbrowser should *only* provide the functionality of a regular browser | 17:02 |
| srichter | nothing more | 17:02 |
| srichter | the analyzer provides functionality to inspect the response (i.e HTML) | 17:02 |
| th1a | OK. I see. | 17:02 |
| srichter | does xpath come with libxml2? | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | libxml2 comes with xpath | 17:10 |
| srichter | ok, in fact I can reuse the rest XMLDocument | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | perhaps move it outside of rest | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | it's sorta generic | 17:12 |
| srichter | yes | 17:12 |
| srichter | I just thought about that too | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | nicer wrapper for libxml2 back when lxml didn't exist | 17:12 |
| srichter | once lxml lands in Zope 3, we can switch to it | 17:12 |
| srichter | right now it is all I need | 17:12 |
| th1a | I could see that coming a mile away ;-) | 17:13 |
| srichter | well, we do not have to do it at once | 17:13 |
| srichter | just as we do things | 17:13 |
| srichter | it means we have less code to maintain | 17:13 |
| srichter | mgedmin: do you mind if I implement __str__ and __repr__ for xmlparsing.XMLNode that shows the string? | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | I won't | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I don't mind | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I assume you will use that for tests? | 17:18 |
| srichter | do you know what gives me the text representation of a node? | 17:18 |
| srichter | content should only the inside | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I do mind if you use __str__ in real code -- XML is Unicode, __str__ isn't | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | srichter, check libxml2's apis | 17:19 |
| srichter | ok | 17:20 |
| srichter | (good point) | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | libxml2.xmlNode_object.serialize() is probably what you want | 17:23 |
| th1a | OK, I sent out my hopefully saner UI document. | 17:26 |
| srichter | mgedmin: yes! | 17:27 |
| srichter | thanks :-) | 17:27 |
| srichter | this works great | 17:28 |
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| mgedmin | yay | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | what happens if you do have a unicode character? | 17:29 |
| srichter | I try this next | 17:30 |
| srichter | do you have one handy? | 17:30 |
| srichter | it is escaped | 17:31 |
| srichter | ö is ö | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | here are some non-latin1 characters for you: ąčęėįšųūž | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | I also traditionally used ☻ (☻) in tests | 17:35 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Give XMLNode's a nice representation. | 18:04 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Make analyzation of HTML easier using XPath. | 18:05 |
| srichter | th1a: I just checked in a first analyzation method :-) | 18:09 |
| th1a | Nice. | 18:10 |
| th1a | In what context would you use this? Functional tests? | 18:11 |
| srichter | yes | 18:13 |
| srichter | now we have those very fragile constructs, that always fail if you change a little bit | 18:14 |
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| th1a | I see. | 18:15 |
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| bskahan | th1a: the new draft makes more sense | 18:31 |
| th1a | :-) | 18:31 |
| th1a | The last one was completely bonkers. | 18:31 |
| bskahan | defining what regions need to be accessible to extensions is the key | 18:33 |
| th1a | Do we need anything beyond those three boxes? | 18:33 |
| bskahan | if I understand the current pagelet code correctly, those regions will map to Slots that new apps can add Pagelets to | 18:34 |
| th1a | One possibility is allowing the active application to use the upper right corner as well, since we let the calendar do that now. | 18:34 |
| bskahan | I hate having those calendar links though ;) | 18:35 |
| bskahan | they should be in the content well | 18:35 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:35 |
| bskahan | that space should be for App wide things, changing the font size, maybe getting to your preferences, maybe login/out | 18:36 |
| bskahan | generally, things that don't relate to what page you're on | 18:36 |
| bskahan | we just haven't figured out a pretty way to put them in the content well of calendar pages | 18:36 |
| th1a | OK. That's rational. | 18:37 |
| th1a | Also, we're very, very, very close to getting our serverpronto server now. | 18:38 |
| th1a | What's your upcoming schedule bskahan? | 18:38 |
| bskahan | busy through next week, then it should slow down again. I'm not sure how the UI work is/should/will overlap with POV backend work getting new applications actually registered | 18:39 |
| bskahan | the first part is fairly independent though, moving the existing components to pagelets | 18:42 |
| bskahan | the "plugging in something new" may be dependent | 18:43 |
| bskahan | afk a bit | 18:44 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Make SchoolTool pages fully XHTML compliant. | 20:20 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Allow to pass a libxml2.xmlDoc as the body. This allows me to parse HTML as well. | 20:21 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Well, the real world is not as nice as my unit tests. Thus, we have to use the HTML parser to create the document. But now it works well. | 20:22 |
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