IRC log of #schooltool for Wednesday, 2005-05-25

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povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3923:00:08
povbot`/svn/commits: Add estonian to the list of downloaded schoolbell translations.00:08
povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3924:00:14
povbot`/svn/commits: add greek, dutch, norewgian, portugese and turkish to the list of downloaded schooltool translations.00:14
povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3925:00:17
povbot`/svn/commits: Tag schooltool as 0.10pre1 for the moment.00:17
jintyth1a: ayt?00:21
jintywould you mind to do a get-rosetta-translations + commit on schooltool?00:22
th1aDo you need it right now?  Is later tonight ok?00:23
jintyI can also do it the evil way00:23
jintythen it's not needed00:24
th1aIf by "evil" you mean technically incorrect in a way that only you understands or cares about.00:24
jintybasically, yes.00:25
th1aThat wasn't actually a sentence, but I'm not sure how to end it.00:25
th1aAnyhow, nobody but you recognizes it as an issue, and it is purely a technicality.00:25
th1aSo I'd encourage you do just do it.00:25
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* jinty thinks nobody will notice anyway00:27
th1aI agree.00:27
th1aThe prospect of a volunteer translator objecting to the inclusion of their translation in our repository seems highly unlikely.00:28
jintyI was more talking about including the translations in the tarball without committing them. Evil because you should be able to reproduce your tarball from the repository at any time.00:29
th1aOh, that kind of evi.00:30
th1aI defer to your judgement.00:30
th1aI can commit them if you want.00:30
* jinty shrugs00:32
jintyas you want00:32
th1aWe're not being very decisive.  Actually, I just put aside what I was working on.  I can do it now.00:33
jintyok thanks, and sorry for breaking your concentration00:34
th1aWell, since you made me concentrate on my actual job, I can't really complain.00:35
* jinty kicked his antenna out of a 4 story high window now and has to connect using a far inferior one00:35
th1aConnect to what?00:35
jintythe internet00:35
jintyyeah basically00:36
jintyjust the probelm is that the connection is patchy, so a full Zope download takes a loooong time00:36
th1aOh, I'm spacing out on how to do this.  I need to have a current schoolbell and run the script to fetch the translations and then commit?00:39
th1aAm I only fetching some of them?00:39
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povbot`/svn/commits: * hoffman committed revision 3926:00:49
povbot`/svn/commits: Updating translations from Rosetta.00:49
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jintyth1a: i meant the schooltool translations, not schoolbell. but never mind, I'm being evil...01:12
povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3927:01:31
povbot`/svn/commits: oops!01:31
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povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3928:02:44
povbot`/svn/commits: Include Zope, schoolbell and the tests in the schooltool tarball.02:44
povbot`/svn/commits: (Maybe I am crazy, but I have committed this before)02:44
povbot`/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 3929:02:52
povbot`/svn/commits: include *.po files in the schooltool tarball and install them02:52
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povbot`/svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 3930:17:46
povbot`/svn/commits: refactoring some methods based on Marius' comments17:46
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povbot`/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 3931:18:19
povbot`/svn/commits: Renamed to
bskahangintas: should it be or timetable_csvimort.pt18:20
bskahanI was going to rename the other csvimport page templates because it seems like we're using _ instead of - everywhere else18:21
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povbot`/svn/commits: Don't edit me please.18:22
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povbot`/svn/commits: Trailing whitespace.18:23
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bskahanth1a: ayt19:50
bskahandid you here back from james about server login info?19:50
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th1a'fraid not.19:51
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bskahanth1a: want to call nokia and see if they'll send a developer linux tablet to go along with the n-gages?20:37
bskahanI volunteer to work on it ;)20:37
th1aI don't know if it runs Python.20:38
bskahanits linux20:38
mgedminit runs linux, therefore it runs python20:38
mgedminI hope20:38
th1aI guess that follows.20:38
th1aYeah, it isn't running GNOME on Symbian or something like that.20:38
th1aAnd you connect it to your phone to get on the net?20:39
th1aIt isn't a phone itself?20:39
mgedminit's not a phone20:39
mgedminit has WiFi and Bluetooth20:39
mgedminI'd say it's a PDA20:39
mgedminexcept it is not marketed as such20:39
mgedminthe focus is on web browsing, not entering your contacts/appointments/etc20:40
th1aIt seems like before long they'll be able to just make the tablet the display and put all the processing on the phone.20:40
th1aAlthough that may not make sense economically.20:41
th1aDepends on if you want to make the phone more expensive and the tablet cheaper, which I suppose you don't.20:41
th1aI'd prefer if it was bigger.20:42
mgedminI'd like it to be smaller ;-)20:42
mgedmin19 mm is too thick20:42
tvonI'm with mgedmin20:42
th1aI'm still waiting for the revival of the Newton form factor.20:42
* mgedmin thinks Palm V had the ideal form factor20:42
bskahanI have a zaurus and that's way too big20:42
bskahanpalm zire is decent, but useless20:43
mgedmina pda has to fit in my shirt pocket and not pull it down too heavily20:43
* bskahan agrees20:43
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* th1a rarely leaves the house, so portable means I can carry it to my easy chair.20:48
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tvonIs there a rest client in the foreseeable future? paid or a known hobby of someone?21:00
th1atvon:  Don't think about that too hard or you may decide we don't need it.21:04
tvonit would be great for xmlhttp/ajax/alfax/whatever but not having it when not running standalone pretty much kills that21:06
* tvon shrugs21:06
th1aI guess that's an argument for turning it on by default.21:07
th1aIt is only off because there was no reason to have it on.21:07
th1aIf we can use it for Ajax, we can turn it on.21:08
th1aIt is no more or less secure than the HTML interface anyhow.21:08
th1aSo... feel free to use it in the future.21:15
th1aIf leaving it off by default means you can't develop for it, then we really should can it.21:15
tvonit's not so much that it's off by default as the zope3 situation21:18
tvondo I misunderstand or is it unvailable when st is running in zope3 and not stand-alone?21:18
tvonam I completely on crack?21:19
* tvon pokes through old email21:19
th1aWell, I don't know that anyone has checked to see if SchoolBell 1.1 works at all as an add-on package.21:19
tvonI do most development in the z3 instance, but I moved to the stand-alone a few weeks ago21:20
th1aHopefully the whole issue would come down to a matter of zcml-fu.21:20
tvonI'll have to look into it, if rest can be enabled on z3 without too much insanity then I'd be much more inclied to look at ajaxing things21:21
tvonjust a lil21:21
th1aWell, we have to assume that the REST interface is integral to SchoolTool.21:22
th1aIf you can't do REST without running standalone, then you can only run standalone.21:23
th1aIf REST isn't integral, then we're wasting our time, and, in fact, much of the architectural design of SchoolTool is superfluous.21:24
ignasno, we are not wasting time ... rest is to make job of fellow programmers easire, yet imho schooltool should be 100% usable without rest ...21:26
ignasor at least without javascript21:26
th1aYeah, but would you create an application that used SchoolTool's REST interface if only half of the SchoolTool instances in production could use the REST interface?21:27
tvonI agree it should be usable without it21:27
th1aWell, regardless, in a related point, we probably need to trade off interface subtlety for development speed in the next year anyhow, so a lot of trickery is probably off the table anyhow.21:29
ignasth1a, well yes, i think most of the scripts that use REST interface will be one shot import/export scripts written by the ones deploying ST/SB21:30
mgedminour functional tests test the schoolbell-living-inside-z3 case21:30
th1amgedmin:  Do they use REST as well?21:31
mgedminyes, however they are not 100% functional, as in, they do not actually start a z3 server in a standalone process21:31
mgedminto hook up the restive interface into zope3 you'd need to add a <server> section to zope.conf21:32
mgedminwith a certain port and a certain server type21:32
mgedminI think we already have the server type defined in the code, I'm not sure if we have registered in zcml as a named utility21:32
mgedmin(which is needed if you want to enable that server type in zope.conf)21:32
th1aAt some point we'll need to document how to set it up.21:32
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