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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 16:30 |
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| replaceafill | hey th1a | 16:30 |
| th1a | OK... we should set up a meeting with Glenda next week. | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:32 |
| th1a | Not a "OK, we're switching tasks now" meeting, but a planning meeting. | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | sure | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | tuesday | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | ? | 16:33 |
| th1a | OK, | 16:33 |
| th1a | I was going to say Tuesday. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | cool | 16:33 |
| th1a | So when we turn our clocks back... | 16:33 |
| th1a | What time is it there now? | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | 8:33 am | 16:33 |
| th1a | OK, so there's just an hour difference then. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 16:34 |
| th1a | In a week it will be 9:30 here instead of 10:30. | 16:34 |
| th1a | We could move our meeting time to 9:30 your time if you want. | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | if we can keep *your* 10:30 am meeting time that would be great | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 16:35 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:35 |
| th1a | Then we both can get our much needed exercise. | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | i felt like i was in a rush in my training today :P | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | but i managed to finish it | 16:35 |
| th1a | OK, cool. We're on the same page. | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | kk | 16:35 |
| th1a | So maybe early Tuesday afternoon for Glenda? | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:36 |
| th1a | OK, Fran. | 16:38 |
| th1a | Looks like Teena remembered us today. | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | right | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking sending Fran a gif on how to fix the level issue | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i can send screenshots too | 16:39 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:39 |
| th1a | If we are lucky maybe we can at least estimate the API task tomorrow. | 16:39 |
| th1a | We probably should just take a shot at it once we hear from Teena. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:40 |
| th1a | I mean, I can't imagine leaving it hanging past this meeting. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | i guess Fran will start to push the mif that's the case | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | push them | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | oh, we need to update the restore manager section of the book btw | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | to remove the stop/start service lines | 16:42 |
| th1a | I suspect she pinged them today. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Just that? | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 16:42 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | can you take care of that? | 16:42 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | kk | 16:42 |
| th1a | It also should be moved somewhere it is possible to find. | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | true | 16:43 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:44 |
| th1a | Can you see her bubbles on the dashboard? | 16:45 |
| th1a | Read the orange bubbles? | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | a bit big | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | but readable | 16:46 |
| th1a | They just run off the page for me... | 16:46 |
| th1a | ? | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | zoom out? | 16:46 |
| th1a | Ah. | 16:47 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:47 |
| th1a | Term 2 and thre should have arrows to compare to the previous term? | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | hm? | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | Enrolment or Attendance section? | 16:49 |
| th1a | Assessment. | 16:50 |
| th1a | Sorry. | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:50 |
| th1a | That was the only one where I didn't know what she was talking about. | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:52 |
| th1a | Do you get that? | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | like | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | 10% in term 2 | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | is lower than the 30% in term 1 | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | so you show a "down arrow" | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | it's like the targets logic we use in one xls report | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | but in this case we compare %s | 16:53 |
| th1a | Ah. OK. | 16:53 |
| th1a | I don't think we need to come up with an estimate for this -- we need to discuss it at some length with Fran first. | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | do you want to propose improvements? | 16:54 |
| th1a | Well... we kind of have to discuss them since I brought them up. I shut up because it became clear to me that there wouldn't really be enough communication bandwidth to do the job correctly. | 16:55 |
| th1a | Especially including the schools... | 16:56 |
| th1a | I mean, just for starters it is hard to interpret the design of the assessment table without knowing whether the example data in any way reflects what they expect the actual data to look like. | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | it's been like that in all xls reports th1a! | 16:57 |
| th1a | That is why I have not been trying to improve them... | 16:57 |
| th1a | Once she said "dashboard" I just felt like it was a new opportunity. | 16:58 |
| th1a | And the assessment table is EXACTLY like the examples of bad dashboards in my book. | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | the arrows make my head spinning | 16:58 |
| th1a | But it isn't like I have extensive experience with good ones, and it would take a LOT of talking and writing to improve it. If we were in the same room it would be no problem. | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | "there has to be a better alternative" | 16:59 |
| th1a | OK, so it isn't just me. | 16:59 |
| th1a | I think it needs more "pre-processing." | 16:59 |
| th1a | Like, what bits do you want people to be looking for here, can't we just pull those out algorithmically? | 16:59 |
| th1a | So we'll talk about it a bit with Fran. | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | cool | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | the assessment part is very clear to me though | 17:00 |
| th1a | Page 1 I couldn't really improve given the exact way they wanted the data sliced. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | my biggest concern in all of this is speed | 17:01 |
| th1a | I thought we could get it all in one bar chart, but not quite. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | these are web views, right? | 17:02 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | and calculating all of this takes time | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | i think we need to show just the current term by default | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | and have the [+] buttons | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | to request asynchronously | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | or whatever you type that :) | 17:03 |
| th1a | That's the other issue I had with calling this a "dashboard." | 17:03 |
| th1a | It is a dashboard telling me my average speed over the past year. | 17:04 |
| th1a | (rather than just my current speed) | 17:04 |
| th1a | There are a few ways we could deal with it I guess. | 17:04 |
| th1a | Could we cache some of those values? | 17:05 |
| th1a | I guess that presents its own complexity. | 17:05 |
| th1a | Caching is hard... | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | i'm thinking more of a catalog to speed thing up | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | things | 17:05 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | i'd prefer trying the catalog first | 17:05 |
| th1a | Probably she'd prefer just having those be added as they can -- assuming they are all needed eventually. | 17:06 |
| th1a | BUt not holding up the overall view. | 17:06 |
| th1a | I guess it is not a problem doing Enrolment and Attendance side by side? | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | well, the number of levels is dynamic | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | and terms | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | months | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | i'd prefer doing separate sections | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | three "dashboard" pages if possible | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | do you need to see enrollment to understand assessment? | 17:08 |
| th1a | Ah. OK, we'll have to ask. | 17:09 |
| th1a | I mean, my instinct was that we wouldn't be able to format it that way. | 17:09 |
| th1a | Sometimes I think my instinct is getting overly conservative. | 17:10 |
| th1a | So, like the S1, S2, S3 may have a lot more values? | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | no, it'll be really hard to get this layout | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | well, yeah | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | specially | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | if she then decides to use this dashboard in the other pilots | 17:10 |
| th1a | OK. We definitely need to explain that kind of thing to her. | 17:10 |
| th1a | Tables of arbitrary width are bad. | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | i mean, we could do some hack like what we have in the gradebook | 17:11 |
| th1a | That's not the kind of thing that would be obvious to someone. | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | where you can scroll horizontally | 17:11 |
| th1a | No... | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | but that's complicated | 17:11 |
| th1a | I mean really, that's where it is better to have a simple data graphic. | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | and we should estimate just the web views initially | 17:13 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | see where we finish | 17:13 |
| th1a | Going though this again, I think we should push her for another iteration. | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | probably coding them in a way that can be reusable in a xls or pdf | 17:14 |
| th1a | One big thing in the dashboards I looked at is just having lists. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Classes with lowest attendance, etc. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | and try css + printing from the browser | 17:14 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | it worked ok in the autism project | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | it may work here | 17:14 |
| th1a | Instead of "look through all this data to find the lowest attendance," just make a list! | 17:15 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:15 |
| th1a | Yeah, I'm fairly confident that will work for us, printing wise. | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | explain the list part please? | 17:15 |
| th1a | I mean... | 17:17 |
| th1a | Presumably she's going to train principals to look for certain things in these tables. | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | right | 17:18 |
| th1a | Perhaps, "In any given subject, which class underperforms?" | 17:18 |
| th1a | You can just list that! | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | quick question | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | do you know what the A, B, C, D labels mean in the enrolment dashboard? | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | in the chart | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | levels? | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | Girls, Boys, Boarding, Day? | 17:19 |
| th1a | I think levels but I'm not sure. | 17:20 |
| th1a | We'll just need to go over these. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Actually, I don't think they're levels. | 17:20 |
| th1a | I don't know. | 17:20 |
| th1a | S1, etc. are streams? | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | no, levels | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | currently | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | not sure if she will want to implement streams in peas | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | i see a lot of changes coming in peas | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | it's really out-dated | 17:22 |
| th1a | OK. Remind her of that. | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:23 |
| th1a | OK, so basically I think we're in good shape to just walk through these with her. | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | you know our app, right th1a? :D | 17:26 |
| th1a | Uh... yes? | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | do we have any async page... | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | just the dialogs i guess | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | i mean, the report dialogs | 17:27 |
| th1a | The progress bars. | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | oh | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | proximity! | 17:27 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | the viewlet that queries the server | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | that's the answer probably | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ajax parts | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | phew | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | i was getting worried :S | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | anything else? | 17:29 |
| th1a | IS there anything tricky about the report card? | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | hhm i don't think so | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | let me look the old one | 17:31 |
| th1a | I have to leave for an interview in about 10 minutes. | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | nothing complicated | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | but she did add more stuff to the report | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | and we already estimated it the first version | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | so we need to update the estimate | 17:33 |
| th1a | ok | 17:33 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | ok, thanks th1a | 17:36 |
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