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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 17:31 |
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| replaceafill | hey th1a | 17:31 |
| th1a | How are we doing? | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | give me a sec | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | i'm setting up a demo instance | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | (in the dev server) | 17:32 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444 | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | you can login as david:david | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | Home tab | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | (second one) :) | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | those are the students in group: School 2 | 17:34 |
| th1a | Presumably we can make that view the default on login? | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | just disabled all the other tabs | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | and make niswonger home the default | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | it works | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | that's how i've been working with it | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | i also disabled the calendar | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | i mean, the calendar frontpage option | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | so if you go to a student | 17:36 |
| th1a | OK, why am I not seeing it that way? | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | what way? | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | want me to set it up? | 17:36 |
| th1a | Why do I have Home | Calendar | Home? | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | i was talking how i have it in my laptop | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | locally | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | i just set up this instance | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | haven't touched anything | 17:37 |
| th1a | OK. Can I log in as manager? | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | sure | 17:37 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:37 |
| th1a | Good that it is only running the core module. | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | oh, this is a sandbox, with just the niswonger branch | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | but <exclude ...> should work on the deb version | 17:38 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | ok, can we walk trhough it? | 17:39 |
| th1a | YEah. | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:39 |
| th1a | I added a student. | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | well, just test all the options :) | 17:40 |
| th1a | I would have broken this down a bit less. | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | oh i started that way | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | accordions and forms got really really long | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | anyway | 17:40 |
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| replaceafill | it shouldn't be difficult to merge them back | 17:41 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:41 |
| th1a | Well, just a few. Like maybe one Scholarships slider? | 17:41 |
| th1a | One Guardians slider? | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | and have a single edit view for both guardians? | 17:42 |
| th1a | Hm, ah ok. | 17:42 |
| th1a | Let me look at this a bit more before I shoot my mouth off. | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | sure | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | you're SIELibre's QA department | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | ;) | 17:43 |
| th1a | Award winning. | 17:43 |
| th1a | Race should be under "additional information." | 17:45 |
| replaceafill | yeah it looks weird, but that's where Denise asked | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | same for hispanic | 17:46 |
| th1a | Eh... ok. | 17:46 |
| th1a | I assume it is easy to change if she asks. | 17:47 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 17:47 |
| th1a | OK> | 17:47 |
| th1a | . | 17:47 |
| th1a | So maybe it is adequate to just do a couple simple things. | 17:48 |
| th1a | Put edit links back to the main edit student from from all the sliders that draw from it -- ideally # links taking you to the relevant part of the form. | 17:48 |
| th1a | Right now it isn't clear that you can edit those sliders. | 17:48 |
| th1a | And just in the slider view put both guardians in one slider. | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | so you mean | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | Student contact information should have a pencil | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | same for Academic | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | guardians and additional information, right? | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | (the same fields from student edit view) | 17:50 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of using this trick: | 17:51 |
| th1a | You could just put the name in each one if the pencil floating by itself looks weird. | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/persons/jjones/@@edit.html#academic | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | it takes you to the fieldset directly | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | ah right | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | that's one of my questions | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | right now | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | those pencil-less sliders | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | always need the fields | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | even if they're empty | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | otherwise there's no table | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | and the slider is kind of empty | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | if we add the same title + pencil | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | we can filter empty values out | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | i mean | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | fields with empty values | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | look at ACT for jjones for example | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | it's currently empty | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | i think we should get rid of the table | 17:54 |
| th1a | It doesn't make much difference to me. | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | oh ok | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | i'll just add the pencils then | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | oh and merge guardian 1 + guardian 2 sliders | 17:57 |
| th1a | I have to take a quick call. | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | kk | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | i'll work on those changes | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | th1a, added title + pencil to all accordions | 18:16 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, merged guardian accordions | 18:37 |
| * replaceafill goes to prepare coffee | 18:37 | |
| th1a | OK, I'm back, btw. | 18:37 |
| replaceafill | ok | 18:41 |
| replaceafill | back | 18:41 |
| replaceafill | how's QA th1a? | 18:49 |
| replaceafill | found any other issue? | 18:49 |
| th1a | Oh... QA! | 18:50 |
| th1a | Uh... | 18:50 |
| th1a | ... | 18:50 |
| th1a | let me see... | 18:50 |
| th1a | ;-) | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | ¬¬ | 18:50 |
| th1a | Oh... | 18:50 |
| th1a | I think the names under college choices are supposed to be strings? | 18:50 |
| th1a | I'm not 100% clear, but she didn't send us a list. | 18:51 |
| replaceafill | well, kind of | 18:51 |
| replaceafill | she sent one before you asked her about the type + name situation | 18:51 |
| replaceafill | i used it to create the options | 18:51 |
| th1a | Oh, like a full list? | 18:51 |
| th1a | Well, we can send it as is and see what she says. | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | there's like 25-30 items | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | sure | 18:52 |
| th1a | So I saw "Post-Secondary Intentions" as being the accordion. | 18:54 |
| th1a | HM... | 18:54 |
| th1a | OK, well, | 18:55 |
| th1a | Is it hard to have multiple edit forms in one slider? | 18:55 |
| th1a | Because the edit forms are long but the tables in the slider are short. | 18:55 |
| th1a | So I do agree you need multiple edit forms. | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | you mean merge the accordions? | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | sure | 18:55 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 18:56 |
| replaceafill | not too hard | 18:56 |
| th1a | I'd put Major/Program - College Choices and Applications tables under a "College" slider. | 18:57 |
| replaceafill | kk | 18:57 |
| th1a | Scholarships Submitted/Awarded and TN Promise under Scholarships | 18:57 |
| th1a | I think that's fine. | 18:57 |
| replaceafill | kk | 18:57 |
| replaceafill | you're SIELibre's UX department, so... | 18:58 |
| replaceafill | :D | 18:58 |
| th1a | I've got extensive training. | 18:59 |
| th1a | I'll take credit for finding the Ubuntu Web Guidelines. | 18:59 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 18:59 |
| th1a | Oh, servers! | 19:01 |
| th1a | Where should we put this? | 19:01 |
| th1a | I think our spreadsheet is out of date. | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | servers? | 19:02 |
| th1a | I should try to change www.schooltool.org to monthly payment to give us a chance to phase it out at our leisure -- the annual renewal is at the end of the month. | 19:02 |
| th1a | We're hosting it. | 19:02 |
| replaceafill | ah | 19:02 |
| replaceafill | well | 19:02 |
| replaceafill | i think we should show her this demo | 19:02 |
| replaceafill | probably with meaningful group titles | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | but i was thinking of using www-ny | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | to host it | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | www.schooltool.org, from now on www.s.o | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | ;) | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | has ubuntu 12.04 :S | 19:04 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 19:04 |
| replaceafill | and a lot of services that i'm afraid to get near :( | 19:04 |
| th1a | It is just not a good time to deal with it. | 19:04 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:04 |
| th1a | OK. That is a 2048. | 19:06 |
| th1a | Is anything else on it? | 19:06 |
| th1a | Other than sielibre.com? | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | proximity | 19:07 |
| th1a | Hm. | 19:07 |
| th1a | We could get a new server and put them both in texas. | 19:07 |
| th1a | I'd like to have the production proximity in texas. | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:08 |
| th1a | Or maybe we should just see how the performance is. | 19:08 |
| th1a | Let's not prematurely optimize. | 19:08 |
| th1a | Let's try them both in NJ first. | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | we also kind of depend on instructure | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | for canvas | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | kk | 19:08 |
| th1a | Yeah, I guess they aren't necessarily in Texas. | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | right | 19:09 |
| th1a | OK, so we can move those if necessary. | 19:09 |
| th1a | We'll wait. | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | kk | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | so, you tested all the options, right? | 19:10 |
| replaceafill | student options | 19:10 |
| replaceafill | can we talk about the export? | 19:10 |
| th1a | YEs. | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | Home | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | Reports | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | Custom Export is just for advisees | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | no filters | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | just add columns options | 19:12 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | it's funny that i did merge Guardians here :D | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | so i could use your help setting the "add columns" first | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | i'm not sure if EVERYTHING has to go there | 19:13 |
| th1a | I'd let them decide. | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | and if it does, how should we organize it | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 19:13 |
| th1a | It looks ok to me. | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | and if you log in as manager | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | you'll see the school year option | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/schoolyears/2015 | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | same add columns | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | but this one has select students filters | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | School picks from the non-standard groups | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | and level from the demographics field | 19:15 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | at the end of her last document Denise sent 3 examples of queries | 19:15 |
| th1a | So are people being added to the school groups from the custom add form? | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | yeah, they're added to the same group the advisor is in | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | in the active year | 19:16 |
| th1a | ok cool | 19:16 |
| th1a | Well... | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | currently, the report just answers (kind of), the first query example | 19:16 |
| th1a | Isn't there a school field? | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:17 |
| th1a | Why doesn't that select the group? | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | to me we don't need that field | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | i just followed the example | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | we can get away with just groups i think | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | unless an advisor works for several schools | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | (which i don't think it's the case) | 19:18 |
| th1a | Well, I'm not sure it is a safe assumption. | 19:19 |
| th1a | I'd just make the School field list non-standard groups and use that for the assignment. | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | for the assignment? | 19:19 |
| th1a | To schools/groups. | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | wait | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | we're talking about the demographics field School, right? | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | and if it's necessary | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/demographics/school/edit.html | 19:22 |
| th1a | I'm saying, we should just use that to explicitly set the school rather than guessing it. | 19:22 |
| th1a | Using that field. | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | an advisor is adding a new student | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | he selects the School demo field value | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | Clinch for example | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | so, what you're saying is: instead of just picking the group the advisor is in | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | we look for a non-standard group with the same... "title"? | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | and assing the new student to it | 19:25 |
| th1a | Well, the selections could come from the group titles. | 19:25 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | so we don't need the School demo field? | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | as a demo field | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | as an *actual*/real/whatever demo field | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | we just need a form field showing the non-standard groups | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | masked as School | 19:26 |
| th1a | Yeah, that's safer. | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | <replaceafill> to me we don't need that field | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | the actual demo field | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | we should speak spanish sometime th1a | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | makes sense | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | i wanted to get rid of it | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | my only concern is | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | an advisor can modify somebody elses lists | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | specially when setting advisees | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | from the relationship view | 19:28 |
| th1a | *sigh* | 19:28 |
| th1a | I don't understand. | 19:28 |
| th1a | The groups aren't that important. | 19:29 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/persons/david/@@advisees.html | 19:29 |
| replaceafill | they're used for this | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | probably not the best example... | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/persons/jeffrey/@@advisees.html | 19:30 |
| th1a | What are you worried about an advisor doing? | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | accident | 19:31 |
| th1a | Accidentally making the wrong person an advisor of one of their own advisees? | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | accidentally picking the wrong school | 19:31 |
| th1a | There aren't really any permissions associated with groups though, are there? | 19:31 |
| th1a | It would just screw up the reports. | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | no, advisors have no ability to change student group membership | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | hhmm permissions? | 19:32 |
| th1a | Aaagh.... | 19:32 |
| th1a | If the advisor puts someone in the wrong group, it doesn't affect who can access the student. | 19:32 |
| th1a | It just puts them in the wrong report filter. | 19:32 |
| th1a | Right? | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | it'll affect the school report | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | the year report | 19:33 |
| th1a | OK. I don't see any reason why advisors shouldn't be able to fix that, but if it is a problem to give them that permission, they'll just need to ask an admin to fix it. | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | you're the Support department, so... | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:34 |
| th1a | It isn't a big deal. | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | ok.... | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | can we go back to the year report... | 19:34 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | so, Denise's examples: | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | Query all 12th students and the choice entered in Choice 1 under “What college does student plan to attend?” | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | that is possible | 19:35 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | Query all 12th students who entered (ETSU) as Choice 1 | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | i hit a mental/UX wall there | 19:35 |
| th1a | Oh. | 19:36 |
| replaceafill | you're the vicepresident of UX, so help me!!! | 19:36 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:36 |
| th1a | Can you just put two fields in there? | 19:37 |
| th1a | Hm. | 19:37 |
| th1a | Well, you know, they can figure that out in excel really easily. | 19:37 |
| th1a | Or... | 19:37 |
| th1a | That's really a filter, isn't it. | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | a composed filter | 19:38 |
| th1a | Let's just leave it for now. | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | just for the record: | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | Query might be: all 12th grade students, FAFSA Completion: Yes or No (be able to search only Yes, or only No, or both YES and No as shown below) | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | possible | 19:39 |
| th1a | Ah. | 19:39 |
| th1a | Well, it is mostly more filters. | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 19:39 |
| th1a | The Yes no ones are filters. | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking the filters should move above the table | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | to have more room | 19:39 |
| th1a | But then there is some AND/OR logic as well. | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 19:39 |
| th1a | You might throw some of those in as filters. | 19:39 |
| th1a | The two part question is the tricky one (school type/name) | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | FAFSA Completion | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | --------------- | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | chekbox for yes | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | checkbox for no | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | ? | 19:40 |
| th1a | Maybe easier to just use drop downs? | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | i'll just add the FAFSA completion | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | and wait for them to see it | 19:41 |
| replaceafill | (same as add columns) | 19:41 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:42 |
| replaceafill | i think that's it | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | no more questions | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | i feel like a lawyer :) | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | no more questions your... honour? | 19:44 |
| * replaceafill done | 19:44 | |
| th1a | OK. Thank you. | 19:44 |
| th1a | Should you be getting that running today? | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | packaged and installed in www-ny? | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | yeah in the afternoon i guess | 19:44 |
| th1a | OK, cool. | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | - accordion grouping | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | - get ride of school demographics field and just use non-default groups | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | - add the FAFSA completion filter [dropdown] | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | thanks th1a | 19:46 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 19:46 |
| * replaceafill goes to take a shower | 19:46 | |
| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 22:22 |
| th1a | Zes. | 22:22 |
| replaceafill | merged the accordions: | 22:22 |
| replaceafill | http://dev.schooltool.org:4444/persons/jjones/@@index.html | 22:23 |
| replaceafill | and added the FAFSA filter to the year export | 22:23 |
| th1a | Tidier. | 22:24 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 22:24 |
| replaceafill | last item in my list is removing School demographics and using group membership | 22:25 |
| replaceafill | i have a question here | 22:25 |
| replaceafill | should it be possible to edit the school? | 22:25 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:25 |
| replaceafill | from the advisor point of view? | 22:25 |
| th1a | Oh, we need to put the Custom Export on the School page so people can actually find it. | 22:26 |
| th1a | So you'll need a dialog. | 22:26 |
| replaceafill | for picking the year? | 22:26 |
| th1a | Yes. | 22:26 |
| replaceafill | ok | 22:26 |
| th1a | I think it is ok for advisors to edit the school groups. | 22:27 |
| replaceafill | no, i mean through the academic fieldset | 22:27 |
| replaceafill | if they just change the School dropdown to some other group | 22:27 |
| replaceafill | not through the Groups accordion | 22:27 |
| th1a | Yes, I'd say so. | 22:27 |
| replaceafill | ok | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | and | 22:28 |
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| replaceafill | i think that should completely delete the relationship to the old group | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | right? | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | instead of just deactivating the student | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | (as a member) | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | i assume it's safe to blow it up | 22:28 |
| replaceafill | we don't need to track history for it | 22:28 |
| th1a | Yeah, ok. | 22:29 |
| th1a | Well... | 22:29 |
| replaceafill | your call | 22:29 |
| th1a | I mean, it is possible that the student would transfer. | 22:29 |
| th1a | It doesn't really matter though. | 22:29 |
| replaceafill | right | 22:29 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll just deactivate it | 22:29 |
| replaceafill | i just think it can be confusing :) | 22:30 |
| th1a | Probably safer. | 22:30 |
| replaceafill | but your the UX expert | 22:30 |
| replaceafill | :D | 22:30 |
| replaceafill | kk | 22:30 |
| replaceafill | i'll put the report in school | 22:30 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 22:30 |
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| th1a | Thanks. | 22:38 |
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