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| INSTABIN | HELLO | 05:03 |
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| th1a | HELLO, Instabin. | 05:05 |
| Instabin | I have virtual box installed on my computer i installed ubuntu 14.02 and installed school tool using apt-get install schooltool | 05:05 |
| th1a | Yes? | 05:06 |
| Instabin | I try to connect to it using the dhcp address assigned to the virtual machine in the host machines browser but it does not appear | 05:06 |
| Instabin | I was also using the port 7080 | 05:06 |
| Instabin | do i have to connect to it from the local server fist? | 05:07 |
| th1a | Did you do this? http://book.schooltool.org/remote.html | 05:07 |
| th1a | We probably need to make that harder to miss... | 05:07 |
| Instabin | No I did not | 05:08 |
| Instabin | I think that should be listed in the install setups after the apt-get | 05:08 |
| Instabin | Thank you | 05:09 |
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| th1a | mobert, you just missed a question from someone setting up SchoolTool on VirtualBox. | 05:18 |
| mobert | I see it! | 05:18 |
| mobert | And he is right ... we could easily link to remote.rst from install-2_0.rst | 05:20 |
| mobert | Did you see my sandbox.rst draft? It's in lp:~matt-obert/+junk/schooltool-book | 05:21 |
| th1a | I've not looked at it yet. | 05:22 |
| mobert | It's incomplete, but should be helpful. And I included a couple of screenshots. | 05:22 |
| * mobert knows th1a likes screenshots | 05:23 | |
| th1a | lol | 05:23 |
| th1a | They can be less necessary in less page-oriented applications. | 05:23 |
| mobert | I just showed how to click on the "Network" tection of VirtualBox admin and change NAT to Bridged Adapter. | 05:24 |
| mobert | *section | 05:24 |
| Instabin | Does school tool do any state reporting? | 05:24 |
| th1a | It could be customized to do so, Instabin, but since all states are different (and we're not even really focused on the US), we can't just offer it out of the box. | 05:26 |
| Instabin | I work for a CTE in pa the only SIS for designed for | 05:26 |
| Instabin | CTE is Classmate and its horrible | 05:27 |
| th1a | Ah, well, do you need to do reporting for CTE competencies? | 05:27 |
| th1a | Where in PA? I grew up in Huntingdon and used to live in Pittsburgh. | 05:28 |
| Instabin | Franklin County | 05:28 |
| Instabin | You where in Fulton County | 05:29 |
| th1a | Huntingdon County. | 05:30 |
| Instabin | oh | 05:30 |
| mobert | Funny, I was born in Allentown | 05:30 |
| Instabin | I used to work in Fulton County there were alot of people from Huntindon that worked there | 05:30 |
| mobert | Instabin, you're not too far from Hershey Park! I've been there a few times. | 05:31 |
| th1a | My parents are from Saltillo and Neelyton, so that's close to both. | 05:31 |
| th1a | mobert and I live in Providence now. | 05:32 |
| Instabin | Yep been there a few times my daughter just had a soccer game in hershey we stoped by chocolate world | 05:32 |
| th1a | It was funny you popped up because he was writing setting up VirtualBox documentation today. | 05:32 |
| Instabin | Virtaul box was easy i just did a bridged adaptor. | 05:33 |
| Instabin | then got the ip with ifconfig | 05:33 |
| mobert | Yup, I should mention that part too. :) | 05:34 |
| th1a | Yeah... it was a bit of a softball assignment to get him started. ;-) | 05:34 |
| mobert | NOTE: Do not attempt to run a Bridged Adapter network setup outside of a trusted network environment without taking appropriate steps to secure SchoolTool, such as changing your “Default Manager” password! | 05:35 |
| Instabin | CTE's are different than other schools | 05:35 |
| Instabin | LOL internal network at home | 05:35 |
| th1a | Yes... we've worked extensively with VA CTE... is that why you're looking at SchoolTool. | 05:35 |
| th1a | ? | 05:35 |
| Instabin | My IST teacher saw that there was a module for VA CTE's | 05:36 |
| Instabin | Figured we would start looking in to it. | 05:36 |
| th1a | They have THOUSANDS of competencies, so CanDo is robust in some ways that I imagine are unusual. | 05:37 |
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| insta1 | getting on irc client insstead of that web based one | 05:38 |
| Instabin | exit | 05:39 |
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| th1a | Basically, CTE competency tracking is the one niche in the US market where SchoolTool may make sense. | 05:40 |
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| th1a | (compared to as a regular school SIS) | 05:40 |
| Instabin | Is there any sample data to install | 05:42 |
| th1a | You should work from this documentation: http://cando.cteresource.org/ | 05:43 |
| th1a | But don't bother Glenda if you have a problem. ;-) | 05:44 |
| th1a | Ask us. | 05:44 |
| th1a | There is regular SchoolTool sample data that you can download from inside your instance (on the XLS import form). | 05:44 |
| th1a | You might need to tweak the year ID's to make sure the VA comps go in the right year with the sample data, and there are probably some other necessary tweaks. | 05:45 |
| th1a | Since I don't think they mostly use our sample data. | 05:45 |
| Instabin | cando was install | 05:47 |
| Instabin | was installed | 05:48 |
| Instabin | the python-schooltool.virginia was not | 05:48 |
| th1a | The Virginia stuff is, well, Virginia specific. | 05:49 |
| th1a | Or is meant to be. | 05:49 |
| Instabin | lol | 05:49 |
| th1a | You can certainly install it. | 05:49 |
| Instabin | Maybe some day there will be a pa | 05:49 |
| th1a | That's the idea. | 05:49 |
| Instabin | POS task lists and PIMS reporting | 05:50 |
| th1a | Whenever we do a customization for a client, they get a unique package that add/overrides the core SchoolTool. | 05:50 |
| Instabin | How do you get customizations? | 05:51 |
| th1a | At this point, it would be a contract with SIELibre, the company the lead developer, Douglas Cerna, and I have started. | 05:52 |
| th1a | Basically just paid development. | 05:52 |
| Instabin | Then its put back into the project for everyone else? | 05:54 |
| th1a | Yes. | 05:54 |
| th1a | Hypothetically a customer could keep it to themselves. | 05:54 |
| Instabin | Does it cost alot? | 05:55 |
| th1a | Our standard rate at this point is $50/hr for development, so it just depends on how complicated the requirements are. | 05:56 |
| th1a | Basically the problem is that modern state reporting requirements are probably too expensive for *one school* to fund. | 05:56 |
| Instabin | Most likely | 05:57 |
| th1a | What works best is if we're working with a group of schools. | 05:57 |
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| th1a | Divide the costs over 10 schools and it looks a lot cheaper! | 05:57 |
| Instabin | Yep problem is getting the 10 to invenst. | 05:58 |
| Instabin | invest | 05:58 |
| th1a | Well, if you have to do it one at a time, yes. | 05:59 |
| th1a | If you're talking to one person with a bunch of schools under his or her authority, that's better. | 05:59 |
| Instabin | All of the CTE | 06:00 |
| Instabin | All of the CTE schools in PA are not under one. They all run indpendently | 06:00 |
| th1a | In Virginia they're supported by the state but have a lot of independence. | 06:01 |
| th1a | At this point it is kind of a political mess to try to get them to start paying for ongoing support. | 06:01 |
| th1a | It would be easier to do that at the state level but it might have to be individual. | 06:02 |
| Instabin | So it would be better to get an orginazation like PACTA to fund it. | 06:02 |
| th1a | We're talking about a relatively small amount of money to the state, if it is something all the CTE schools can use for free. | 06:03 |
| th1a | For years to come. | 06:03 |
| Instabin | Im sure I will be in here more. Thanks for the help so far | 06:14 |
| th1a | No problem. | 06:15 |
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| mobert | I'm turning in. Pushed up to revision 365 in my bzr repo. Look at it tonight, or tomorrow, or whenever. | 06:17 |
| th1a | Tomorrow. ;-) Good night, mobert. | 06:17 |
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| replaceafill | hey th1a | 17:51 |
| th1a | How are you feeling replaceafill? | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | so so... | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | my throat is still killing me | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | it's some kind of infection i guess | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | because i had some temperature yesterday | 17:52 |
| th1a | OK. Nothing pressing today but emails from Nawien and Germio about a contract for importing and some as of yet unnamed reports. | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | let me read those | 17:54 |
| th1a | I need to ask them to export their access scores in some other format I think. | 17:54 |
| th1a | Like CSV. | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | i remember reading access files in linux in the past | 17:56 |
| replaceafill | don't remember exactly how though | 17:57 |
| th1a | Yeah, well, if they want us to figure it out, they're going to be billed for that step. | 17:57 |
| th1a | So I'll suggest they make it easier for us. | 17:57 |
| replaceafill | sure | 17:57 |
| replaceafill | mdb file viewer seems to work | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | of course i have no idea what each table is :) | 18:01 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:02 |
| th1a | Yeah, it is not so much the format, as they need to explain what they want us to do. | 18:02 |
| th1a | Other than that, the actual import script, should we just say... $250? | 18:03 |
| th1a | LIke, once we have the data in a way we can understand and parse. | 18:03 |
| th1a | Also, does python read access? | 18:03 |
| th1a | I guess that's the real question. | 18:03 |
| replaceafill | pyodbc maybe: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3620539/how-to-deal-with-mdb-access-files-with-python | 18:06 |
| th1a | OK, so, I'll encourage them to not stick us with that, since they'll be paying for our experiments. | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 18:09 |
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