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| yvl | good morning th1a :) | 16:30 |
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| th1a | Hi yvl. | 16:30 |
| yvl | how was the trip back? | 16:30 |
| th1a | Long. ;-) | 16:31 |
| yvl | :) | 16:31 |
| th1a | The girls handle it better than can be reasonably expected. | 16:31 |
| yvl | good! | 16:31 |
| yvl | btw, in case you missed the news: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge | 16:32 |
| th1a | Ah... | 16:32 |
| th1a | Yes, they had that idea floating around a few years ago. I guess they're going to have to try it on their own. | 16:33 |
| yvl | yep | 16:33 |
| yvl | it's a bit crazy to try raising $32M | 16:33 |
| yvl | current crowdfunded records are for Pebble ($10M) and Ouya ($8.5M) | 16:34 |
| th1a | Well, it will attract attention at least. | 16:34 |
| th1a | I have to have Vivian at dance lessons in an hour and a half. | 16:34 |
| yvl | it did - $3.4M attention overnight ;) | 16:34 |
| yvl | ok | 16:34 |
| th1a | So we'd better get started. | 16:34 |
| th1a | The next three weeks of my life are going to be insane. | 16:35 |
| yvl | I can't even imagine | 16:35 |
| yvl | hmm, maybe you | 16:35 |
| yvl | you'd like to do a hangout? | 16:36 |
| yvl | or IRC is fine? | 16:36 |
| th1a | IRC for the moment. | 16:36 |
| yvl | ok | 16:36 |
| th1a | The girls are running around the room. | 16:36 |
| yvl | ah | 16:36 |
| yvl | so | 16:36 |
| th1a | Jennifer is at principal interviews for Vivian's school all day. | 16:37 |
| th1a | otoh, I'll have few distractions in Scotland! | 16:37 |
| yvl | :D | 16:37 |
| yvl | ok | 16:37 |
| yvl | so here are some thoughts since yesterday | 16:37 |
| yvl | I think we can reuse the old relationship edit views | 16:38 |
| yvl | add a popup dialog after clicking (+) | 16:38 |
| yvl | dropdown of state | 16:38 |
| yvl | and radio choice of | 16:38 |
| yvl | today | 16:38 |
| yvl | [enter date] | 16:38 |
| yvl | then | 16:39 |
| yvl | replace (-) with edit pencil icon | 16:39 |
| yvl | so instead of say, removing students from section | 16:39 |
| yvl | you change their status to "withdrawn", "enrolled", "pending" with "since date" | 16:40 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:40 |
| yvl | the popup dialog should also display state history | 16:41 |
| yvl | pre-enrolled 2013-07-15 | 16:41 |
| yvl | enrolled 2013-07-20 | 16:41 |
| yvl | and so on | 16:41 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:42 |
| yvl | "view" views are a bit tricky | 16:42 |
| th1a | So one thing I was thinking about on the long drive is that the hard-wired enrollment states really only need to be enrolled/not-enrolled. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Since we really aren't enforcing workflows. | 16:42 |
| th1a | pre- and post- are only necessary if you have a basic workflow. | 16:43 |
| yvl | ok | 16:43 |
| yvl | I was having doubts if yes/no is enough | 16:43 |
| yvl | it makes sense that it is | 16:43 |
| yvl | and makes customization views easier | 16:44 |
| yvl | just lines of titles with a checkbox | 16:44 |
| th1a | Makes it a bit cleaner. | 16:45 |
| yvl | yes | 16:45 |
| yvl | much cleaner | 16:45 |
| yvl | ok | 16:45 |
| yvl | so another thing is displaying | 16:46 |
| yvl | say... section pupils | 16:46 |
| yvl | first name, last name, username, ??? | 16:46 |
| th1a | Displaying where? | 16:47 |
| yvl | I guess it makes sence to display (instead of all state history) | 16:47 |
| yvl | the students table when viewing the section | 16:47 |
| th1a | State history is not generally something you'd need to look at. | 16:47 |
| yvl | right | 16:47 |
| th1a | State would generally be more of a sort/filter thing. | 16:47 |
| yvl | so, for sorting | 16:48 |
| yvl | should we display the active state only | 16:48 |
| yvl | or also the next state (if any) | 16:48 |
| th1a | If we're looking at the members of a group, just the main view, correct? | 16:49 |
| th1a | I would want to see | 16:49 |
| th1a | Enrolled: | 16:49 |
| th1a | <list> | 16:49 |
| th1a | Withdrawn | 16:49 |
| th1a | <list> | 16:49 |
| th1a | Pending: | 16:49 |
| th1a | <list> | 16:49 |
| th1a | Like that. | 16:50 |
| th1a | I guess the question is you need to see the history SOMEWHERE? | 16:50 |
| yvl | we could do a popup I guess | 16:51 |
| yvl | like the edit button | 16:51 |
| yvl | but just view | 16:51 |
| yvl | info (i) icon or something | 16:51 |
| th1a | That's probably as clean as anything. | 16:51 |
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| yvl | ok | 16:52 |
| th1a | Perhaps if you really want to see the detailed history directly that's in the Person's group accordion. | 16:52 |
| th1a | That would be the view that would show you history by default. | 16:52 |
| yvl | umm | 16:52 |
| yvl | let's just keep it the simple tree view | 16:52 |
| th1a | Another level in there? | 16:53 |
| yvl | in persons accordion | 16:53 |
| yvl | I mean - don't change it | 16:53 |
| th1a | Yes, that's good. | 16:53 |
| yvl | if you're in students group today, it is displayed and that's it | 16:53 |
| yvl | if you're withdrawn it's not there | 16:54 |
| yvl | if you're pending, it's not there | 16:54 |
| yvl | but | 16:54 |
| yvl | it has edit group memberships | 16:55 |
| yvl | we can display all the pending, pre-enrolled and such groups | 16:55 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:55 |
| yvl | btw, about the state / <list> | 16:56 |
| yvl | I'm not sure I get entirely how it should work | 16:56 |
| yvl | I mean - it makes sense that user would want to see that | 16:56 |
| yvl | but maybe "state" dropdown would be good enough? | 16:57 |
| * yvl is a bit worried about many tables for each state | 16:57 | |
| th1a | I guess my main concern would be splitting enrolled and not enrolled. | 16:58 |
| th1a | That's probably sufficient. | 16:58 |
| yvl | makes sense | 16:58 |
| th1a | Then you need another column to specify the string. | 16:58 |
| yvl | and date | 16:59 |
| yvl | speaking of dates | 16:59 |
| yvl | there is a state that is active today | 16:59 |
| yvl | it became active some time ago | 16:59 |
| yvl | and may change some time in the future | 16:59 |
| yvl | e.g. you're pending today | 16:59 |
| yvl | (since last week) | 16:59 |
| yvl | (until next month) | 16:59 |
| yvl | because a clerk set enrolled, on next month | 17:00 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:00 |
| * yvl is wondering which information would be usefull where | 17:00 | |
| yvl | * useful | 17:00 |
| th1a | I would say generally people don't want to see that. | 17:01 |
| yvl | so, it should look: | 17:01 |
| yvl | enrolled (i) | 17:01 |
| yvl | ok | 17:01 |
| yvl | much cleaner | 17:01 |
| yvl | or: | 17:02 |
| yvl | pending (i) | 17:02 |
| th1a | From, say, Jeff Elkner's point of view, the purpose of this feature is to remove irrelevant stuff (withdrawn students) from his gradebook. | 17:02 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:02 |
| yvl | ok then | 17:02 |
| th1a | Maybe just make the status string the info link. | 17:02 |
| yvl | ok | 17:03 |
| yvl | well, I think I have enough work for a week :D | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. ;-) | 17:03 |
| yvl | we can call it a day if you want :) | 17:03 |
| yvl | it was really helpful | 17:04 |
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| th1a | Yes... and while I partly just procrastinate on this stuff, when I try to do very many steps in my head on this stuff without actually coding, I just don't do a very good job. | 17:05 |
| th1a | If I was coding, I'd be understanding it as I went. | 17:05 |
| th1a | So we just have to kind of mind-meld on those processes. | 17:05 |
| yvl | well said :) | 17:06 |
| th1a | OK, super. | 17:06 |
| th1a | See you tomorrow. | 17:06 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I'll catch up with you later today. | 17:06 |
| yvl | see you soon | 17:06 |
| th1a | I have to get Vivian into her leotard. ;-) | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | th1a, cool | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:07 |
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