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| replaceafill | th1a, just shared a spreadsheet with you | 16:13 |
| th1a | Yes? | 16:13 |
| replaceafill | even though my numbers make sense now because i took into account only graded activities | 16:14 |
| replaceafill | i still have a slight difference with the current implementation | 16:14 |
| th1a | What is the question replaceafill. | 16:14 |
| replaceafill | can you check the way i've calculated the 96 average? | 16:15 |
| th1a | Check it for what? | 16:15 |
| th1a | I'm an English teacher, replaceafill, use words. | 16:15 |
| replaceafill | is it correct for a 30, 10, 10 weights scenario? | 16:16 |
| replaceafill | in my head 30, 10, 10 says: the first category is 3 times as important as the other two, correct? | 16:16 |
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| th1a | Well, it isn't three times more important than both of them. It should be the same as 60/20/20, right? | 16:17 |
| Alex____ | Hello - anyone here? | 16:17 |
| th1a | hi Alex____. | 16:17 |
| Alex____ | hi | 16:18 |
| Alex____ | I have a problem adding skills - is this a good place to ask ? | 16:18 |
| th1a | Sure. | 16:19 |
| th1a | Are you a Virginia CTE person? | 16:19 |
| Alex____ | No | 16:19 |
| th1a | OK, just checking. | 16:20 |
| th1a | What's your question? | 16:20 |
| Alex____ | So I have done a clean 13.04 Ubuntu - and clean SchoolTool 2.4.0 install - everything works great - I have setup Years, Terms, People, Now adding in Skills - Can create Document and layers - when I try to add a 'Skill' I get an error: KeyError 'SkillScoreSystem-' and lots of Python Traceback | 16:21 |
| Alex____ | Looking at the Score systems - the defaults all work and I added an extra one | 16:21 |
| th1a | OK... you should probably file a bug for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.cando/+filebug | 16:22 |
| Alex____ | ok - I can do that - but is there a stable version I can use ? | 16:22 |
| th1a | With the traceback and where you get it. | 16:22 |
| th1a | There is not a MORE stable version. | 16:23 |
| Alex____ | :) | 16:23 |
| Alex____ | So putting Ubuntu onto an LTS version and an older version of schooltool might not be any better ? | 16:24 |
| th1a | tbh, the primary users of CanDo (in Virginia) all import the same skill set from a spreadsheet, so what you're doing is relatively untested. | 16:24 |
| Alex____ | Oh ok | 16:24 |
| Alex____ | thats interesting | 16:24 |
| th1a | I mean, it worked for us. | 16:24 |
| Alex____ | Ill try an import instead of the GUI | 16:24 |
| th1a | Definitely file the bug so we can fix it. | 16:24 |
| Alex____ | ok | 16:24 |
| Alex____ | Thanks for your help | 16:25 |
| th1a | Sorry about the bug. | 16:25 |
| Alex____ | no worries :) | 16:25 |
| * replaceafill remembers something related to z3c.form and that traceback | 16:26 | |
| th1a | Oh, is that a known bug replaceafill? | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | looking... | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | ...in the bug list :) | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | no, sorry, can't find it | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | i remember hitting that in a dev sandbox | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | but iirc it was because a change to versions.cfg of some sort | 16:30 |
| th1a | Huh. | 16:30 |
| Alex____ | Import works fine | 16:30 |
| Alex____ | Thanks for that workaround | 16:30 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Do you know why your spreadsheet is different than the gradebook calculation. | 16:30 |
| th1a | Alex____: Good. Please post the traceback though so we can fix it. | 16:30 |
| th1a | hi menesis, replaceafill, yvl. | 16:33 |
| yvl | good morning | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | this is the closest i've got to the scoresystem bug: http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/%23schooltool.2013-03-12.log.html#t2013-03-12T20:24:36 | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | i remember it got fixed after menesis modified versions.cfg | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | maybe we need to test in the deb packages | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | in 13.04 | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | good morning/afternoon btw | 16:35 |
| th1a | Oh, ok. Hopefully the traceback will make it clear. | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | apparently i wrote an email to menesis too... | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | found it | 16:36 |
| th1a | I ended up having to make a doctors appointment for Julia at 10:30, so I have to leave a bit after 10:00 (a half hour). | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | "CanDo's add skil form is broken by new version of z3c.form" | 16:37 |
| * replaceafill hates thunderbird! | 16:37 | |
| th1a | replaceafill: What's your status overall? | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ah sorry | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | about the calculation | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i think it's different because the current implementation expects the categories to sum up 100 | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | but you get the difference | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | even if you use 60/20/20 | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | (that's why i selected those values btw) | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | so i'd think i've hit a bug in the weights | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | or my approach is plain wrong | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | but i don't think s | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | o | 16:39 |
| th1a | The the old implementation Alan's? | 16:40 |
| th1a | Is? | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | yes, | 16:40 |
| th1a | Apparently all this isn't as straightforward as I'd have thought. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | my bad, i got confused with math yesterday | 16:41 |
| th1a | Is it not clear how his works? | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | well, i haven't pdb it yet, i just noticed the difference until i removed the 100 % requirement on weights | 16:42 |
| Alex____ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/1185433 | 16:42 |
| th1a | Thanks Alex____. | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | i think menesis is aware of the break, right? | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | "The z3c.form upgrade only affects ubuntu raring, and the flourish | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | branch. cando servers run on precise. So they need not to worry." | 16:45 |
| th1a | replaceafill: This is just surprising to me because intuitively averaging a few numbers seems so much more straightforward than, well, doing anything in Zope. | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | th1a, well, if you have the deb packages try the 60/20/20 scenario | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | and you'll see the 94% | 16:47 |
| th1a | I believe you that they're different. | 16:47 |
| menesis | replaceafill: I knew there was some problem with z3c.form, but before release I couldn't find any | 16:47 |
| th1a | It just seems like the whole thing should be a lot easier to illustrate in, say, Python. | 16:47 |
| th1a | Or, for that matter, it is just a bit weird that exactly what is going on is not more clear. I guess that's just the hell of Zope. | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | th1a, what i'm not sure about is: is it me or the current implementation that is wrong? | 16:49 |
| th1a | I have no idea. | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | basically, based on that scenario: should it be 94% or 96% | 16:49 |
| th1a | If we don't really know what is going on in the current one, then ??? | 16:50 |
| th1a | Probably you're right. | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | i'll dig in | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | and i'm really sorry i'm not clear explaining this | 16:50 |
| th1a | Well, I'm not clear either. | 16:50 |
| th1a | And apparently the current code isn't, which is the biggest problem. | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | that's why i use google spreadhseets | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | because i think the numbers are clearer | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | :) | 16:51 |
| th1a | Yeah, well, if I didn't HATE SPREADSHEETS that would work. | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | i'll write a paragraph with the scenario th1a :P | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | ok, let me pdb the current implementation and find the difference | 16:52 |
| th1a | OK. Probably the current version is just wrong. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | i think so | 16:52 |
| * replaceafill done | 16:52 | |
| th1a | So fix that and then do this CanDo bug. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ah last thing | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | ah never mind, found it | 16:52 |
| * replaceafill done (again) :) | 16:53 | |
| th1a | OK. Thanks. | 16:54 |
| th1a | yvl? | 16:54 |
| yvl | ok | 16:54 |
| yvl | my Oculus Rift arrived today | 16:54 |
| yvl | so... you know. | 16:54 |
| yvl | also, quite seasick now, it does that apparently | 16:54 |
| th1a | Ooh... | 16:54 |
| th1a | So you know, that's why my productivity took a hit... | 16:55 |
| th1a | ;-) | 16:55 |
| yvl | sorry | 16:55 |
| yvl | waited for 9 months :D | 16:55 |
| yvl | arrived earlier than expected | 16:55 |
| yvl | and immersion is more than words can express :) | 16:55 |
| * replaceafill googles oculus... | 16:56 | |
| yvl | Oculus VR, or Oculus Rift | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | :| | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | cool! | 16:56 |
| yvl | yes it is! | 16:56 |
| th1a | I suspect it will be like the iPad. | 16:56 |
| yvl | it might | 16:57 |
| th1a | The thing everyone thought we wanted/would have twenty years ago, which we finally gave up on about 15 years ago, | 16:57 |
| th1a | and then finally the tech was really ready and OH! I guess we did want this! | 16:57 |
| th1a | Gave up on about 5 years ago, I mean. | 16:57 |
| yvl | when you bump into stuff in VR it is almost physical | 16:58 |
| yvl | so, yeah. | 16:58 |
| yvl | but seasickness :D | 16:58 |
| th1a | That would be a problem. | 16:58 |
| th1a | Anyhow, I have to leave in 10 minutes. | 16:58 |
| yvl | ok | 16:58 |
| yvl | I did look over the role maps | 16:59 |
| yvl | it is unfinished, yes? | 16:59 |
| th1a | It is? | 16:59 |
| yvl | terms and school timetables seem untouched | 16:59 |
| yvl | but it will be quite helpful | 17:00 |
| yvl | thanks! | 17:00 |
| th1a | Oh, guess I missed the last page. | 17:00 |
| th1a | I'll finish it. | 17:00 |
| th1a | Does it make sense? | 17:00 |
| yvl | yes it does | 17:00 |
| th1a | I've neutered the clerk a bit. | 17:00 |
| yvl | it also turns out I didn't finish the Failing reports page | 17:01 |
| yvl | so I'm finishing it now | 17:01 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:01 |
| yvl | it has a somewhat nasty form though | 17:01 |
| yvl | source deployed sheet dropdown | 17:01 |
| yvl | and min/max score that is either text line or a dropdown | 17:01 |
| yvl | so implementation was not immediate :) | 17:01 |
| yvl | since I had to either remake properly in z3c form, or remake the request dialog | 17:02 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:02 |
| * yvl done | 17:02 | |
| * th1a feels like we've spent a lot of time fixing Alan's bugs this year. | 17:03 | |
| th1a | That's what happens when other people have to work with his code. | 17:03 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 17:03 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl. | 17:03 |
| th1a | menesis? | 17:03 |
| menesis | I have been pushing on packaging trunk with supervisor | 17:04 |
| menesis | then looked at the report ssl bug | 17:05 |
| menesis | couldn't find the reason why that happens | 17:05 |
| menesis | but avoided http requests from report generation altogether | 17:06 |
| menesis | going over the trunk branch to cherry-pick bugfixes if there are any | 17:06 |
| menesis | and will do a bugfix release of schooltool today | 17:06 |
| menesis | then continue packaging celery | 17:06 |
| th1a | OK. So you don't understand why the bug comes up but you have a workaround? | 17:07 |
| th1a | The SSL bug. | 17:07 |
| menesis | yes | 17:07 |
| th1a | Fair enough. | 17:07 |
| th1a | OK. Anything else before I have to bolt? | 17:07 |
| menesis | no. | 17:07 |
| th1a | OK. Thanks! | 17:08 |
| th1a | Have a good week/end, gentlemen. | 17:08 |
| yvl | thanks th1a | 17:08 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:08 | |
| yvl | great week guys ;) | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:09 |
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