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| th1a | I have an exciting announcement (sorta). | 16:30 |
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| th1a | It turns out we were right using REST, just 10 years too early! | 16:31 |
| yvl | :DDD | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:31 |
| th1a | https://inbloom.org/sites/default/files/docs-developer-1.0.68-20130118/doc-193b3c84-0860-4f18-941b-0195189219a5.html | 16:31 |
| th1a | Unfortunately, you gain no benefit from choosing the right interoperability system 10 years before everyone else. | 16:32 |
| th1a | I've been sorting out this new thing this morning, so I'll brief you. | 16:33 |
| th1a | Essentially, for over a decade we had SIF, the "right" way to do interoperability, which everyone hated and never really took off. | 16:33 |
| th1a | Finally, it is being killed off. | 16:33 |
| th1a | The motivation is that there's potentially enough money in online learning to get people to pay for something that works. | 16:34 |
| th1a | The end result is now known as inBloom. | 16:34 |
| th1a | It is built on some other new underlying standards/data models, etc. | 16:34 |
| th1a | But basically, what people in the US will be interacting with -- the implementation that will actually matter -- is inBloom. | 16:35 |
| th1a | So... essentially inBloom reflects the rather unfortunate evolution of the internet in the past decade or so. | 16:35 |
| th1a | And while it will be open source in some sense, you're supposed to think of it as a single national repository for the whole US. | 16:36 |
| th1a | I mean, that's the plan. | 16:36 |
| th1a | BIG DATA. | 16:36 |
| th1a | So everyone's gradebook, everyone's standardized test questions, in theory, say, every answer entered into, say, SchoolTool quiz, gets dumped into inBloom. | 16:37 |
| th1a | That's the more than a little scary premise at this point. | 16:37 |
| th1a | But then, hey, BIG DATA MAGIC HAPPENS. | 16:37 |
| th1a | Also, you don't have to worry about little apps talking to each other. | 16:38 |
| th1a | You just have to talk to the giant inBloom. | 16:38 |
| th1a | So... what does this mean to us? | 16:38 |
| th1a | And why is the educational Skynet named after a Nirvana song? | 16:39 |
| yvl | flourish. inBloom. Get it? ;) | 16:39 |
| th1a | Ah, shit! | 16:39 |
| th1a | I knew we should have changed the name! | 16:39 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 16:39 |
| yvl | looks interesting; need to look at it closer | 16:40 |
| th1a | Don't worry, I'm not going to be leading the charge to implement this before anyone else. | 16:40 |
| th1a | But for CanDo, Virginia will probably want to talk to this if it actually gets deployed, and we should be able to handle it pretty easily. | 16:40 |
| th1a | Both for importing data and exporting it. | 16:40 |
| yvl | yep | 16:41 |
| th1a | The more interesting, ambitious, and unlikely path would be to implement the REST API to make SchoolTool act like an (the?) inBloom data store. | 16:41 |
| th1a | The reason to do this would be if people write lots of reporting, dashboard, etc. applications that run off the inBloom API. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Essentially, someday we might be able to make those apps work based on SchoolTool data. | 16:42 |
| th1a | That just an idea, ofc. | 16:43 |
| yvl | difficult to comment without looking closer at inBloom | 16:44 |
| th1a | Sure. | 16:44 |
| yvl | but sounds interesting :) | 16:44 |
| th1a | Just dropping that on your radar. | 16:44 |
| yvl | thanks | 16:44 |
| th1a | Basically, it is all pretty benign until you get to "and everyone's data is going in one place and did we mention Rupert Murdoch is a major partner?" | 16:45 |
| th1a | So a free standing open source implementation (that you can actually install and run) would have some value if this eventually takes off. | 16:45 |
| th1a | Of course, I'm old enough now to wait and see for that sort of thing. | 16:45 |
| yvl | :))) | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:46 |
| th1a | I happened to resume my career as a geek exactly in the heyday of XML and CSS, so I thought open standards were going to solve all our problems. | 16:47 |
| th1a | It has been all downhill from there. | 16:47 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Can you send that report to yvl and menesis and we'll discuss it? | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | ah sure | 16:47 |
| th1a | Anyone have any comments on my sprint overview? | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | sent | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | th1a, your overview looks good to me | 16:49 |
| th1a | OK, I'll post that today. | 16:49 |
| yvl | th1a, I'm starting to forget the details... for example what exactly "add periods" means | 16:50 |
| * yvl liked the overview btw | 16:50 | |
| th1a | Add periods? | 16:50 |
| th1a | Add homeroom periods? | 16:51 |
| th1a | I was thinking the same thing as I typed it. | 16:51 |
| yvl | yes | 16:51 |
| th1a | Me pulls out the giant post-its. | 16:51 |
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| th1a | I think the main decision was that homerooms would get a separate sheet. | 16:53 |
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| yvl | that rings a bell | 16:53 |
| th1a | That simplifies it a lot. | 16:53 |
| th1a | Essentially dealing with it as a separate thing and indicating in the attendance view that someone was absent in homeroom. | 16:54 |
| th1a | But not really trying to make it all magical. | 16:55 |
| yvl | right | 16:55 |
| th1a | OK. We'll just have to refresh our memories as we get to each thing. | 16:56 |
| th1a | None of it is random or unfamiliar. We just may have to repeat our thought process a bit prompted by the notes. | 16:56 |
| yvl | we can do a hangout in a month or so | 16:57 |
| yvl | just to make sure we're on the same page :) | 16:57 |
| th1a | Probably should before each big new piece. | 16:57 |
| th1a | OK, shall we look at replaceafill's report? | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | i have a few comments: | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | (if i may) :) | 16:58 |
| th1a | You can head off the obvious. ;-) | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | i removed totals and average | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | (we don't use it in cando) | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | use them* | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | also | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | should we mark "optional" skills in that pdf? | 16:59 |
| th1a | Well, it probably should be an option. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 17:01 |
| th1a | Or, I'll just say yes. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | in the request dialog, right? | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 17:01 |
| th1a | Including them at all should be the option. | 17:01 |
| th1a | If they are included, probably an indication of which are optional. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | ah, got it | 17:02 |
| th1a | You could just put the label in italics. | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | hhmm i'll check how the italic looks when slanted... | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | also, i still think we should move the main title a little down | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | to give school name more room | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | in case they collapse | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | long course name + long school name for example | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:03 |
| th1a | I have the skillset title overlapping itself. | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | ah yes | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | the section-title (i think) style needs some tweaking | 17:04 |
| th1a | Is this using the smaller sizes we changed? | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | yes | 17:05 |
| * th1a prints a hard copy. | 17:05 | |
| th1a | They're still pretty big. | 17:05 |
| th1a | I'd make the skillset title smaller. | 17:05 |
| th1a | Maybe a couple steps smaller. | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, i'll change that | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | we have no school year or term information in these pdfs | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | (including the gradebook) | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | in the scr pdf we used the term title | 17:07 |
| th1a | Well... | 17:08 |
| th1a | What do you mean "we have?" | 17:08 |
| th1a | You mean, that's the way we did it before? | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | sorry, i meant "we don't have school year or term info" | 17:08 |
| th1a | You mean, it is not relevant? | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | i think it is | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | i'm saying "we should include it" :D | 17:09 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:09 |
| th1a | Let go of the past replaceafill. | 17:09 |
| th1a | We just need to be consistent going forward. | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | ah! | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | my most important question! | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | don't you think these should be landscape pages? | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | or maybe it's just me :) | 17:11 |
| th1a | Probably. | 17:11 |
| th1a | I'd ahve to see it. | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 17:11 |
| th1a | We probably should shrink the margins a bit too. | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | or... we could put it in the request dialog as an option! | 17:12 |
| th1a | The header will probably want to shrink then too. | 17:12 |
| th1a | It'll take up a lot of space in landscape. | 17:12 |
| th1a | Remind me of what the situation is with column spacing? | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | it's possible to modify the widths | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | i haven't tried making the table not to use 100% of the page width | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | i'll try that too | 17:14 |
| th1a | OK. That will make it look more sane. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | great, i have lots of tweaks to try! | 17:14 |
| th1a | Of course. | 17:15 |
| th1a | OK, thanks replaceafill. | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 17:15 |
| th1a | menesis? | 17:15 |
| th1a | yvl? | 17:18 |
| yvl | not much to report | 17:18 |
| yvl | have a queuing set up I'm comfortable with | 17:18 |
| yvl | but have not finished porting reports | 17:19 |
| yvl | a bit overtired and need the vacation badly | 17:19 |
| yvl | keep making stupid mistakes | 17:19 |
| th1a | maybe menesis can give you a pep talk. | 17:20 |
| yvl | is not a matter of pep talk | 17:20 |
| * yvl is motivated, but tired | 17:20 | |
| yvl | brain no thinky | 17:20 |
| th1a | OK. Well, do your best to get some quality time in. | 17:20 |
| th1a | And quality sleep. | 17:20 |
| th1a | You're off next week? | 17:20 |
| yvl | thanks | 17:20 |
| yvl | yes | 17:21 |
| yvl | also | 17:21 |
| yvl | I think I might take two weeks off | 17:21 |
| yvl | might be better, depending on how much rest I can get out of the vacation | 17:21 |
| th1a | Well, as I mentioned a few times, I really, really want this in the release. | 17:21 |
| yvl | really don't want to extend the vacation | 17:21 |
| yvl | I'll do what I can | 17:22 |
| th1a | otoh, I'm not sure to what extent as long as menesis pushes the main pieces we can keep tweaking it. | 17:22 |
| th1a | Make it look like it works enough that we can push it to the raring repositories. | 17:23 |
| th1a | That's my concern. | 17:23 |
| yvl | ok | 17:23 |
| yvl | no promises though | 17:24 |
| th1a | Well... I'll have to convince menesis to ram it through. | 17:24 |
| th1a | ayt menesis? | 17:24 |
| yvl | he's working from home | 17:25 |
| yvl | can't physically ping :) | 17:25 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:25 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl. | 17:26 |
| th1a | I guess I'll go take a shower and try to catch up with menesis later. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Thanks guys. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Have a good week/end, try to leave us in a reasonable spot, yvl. | 17:26 |
| th1a | So we won't see you for at least the next three meetings, yvl? | 17:26 |
| th1a | Well, have a good break! | 17:30 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:30 | |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | enjoy your vacation yvl | 17:30 |
| yvl | thanks guys | 17:31 |
| yvl | 2 or 4 meetings | 17:31 |
| th1a | OK, thanks yvl. | 17:32 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 19:19 |
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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 20:20 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 20:47 |
| replaceafill | did you see glenda's email? | 20:48 |
| th1a | I'm looking at it. | 20:48 |
| th1a | That sounds like a bug to me. | 20:49 |
| replaceafill | yes | 20:49 |
| replaceafill | i'll look into it | 20:50 |
| replaceafill | what about freezing the table headers in the reports? | 20:50 |
| replaceafill | should we try that? | 20:50 |
| th1a | I'll deal with that. | 20:50 |
| replaceafill | kk | 20:50 |
| th1a | Where are we with the printed reports she's asking about? | 20:50 |
| replaceafill | we finished those in the sprint | 20:51 |
| replaceafill | we just have to tweak the header area | 20:51 |
| replaceafill | and decide where to put the validated resume | 20:51 |
| replaceafill | (that was our last sprint conversation iirc) :D | 20:51 |
| replaceafill | (A) -> (A), (A) -> (B), etc | 20:51 |
| th1a | So what do we need to do about placing the validated resume? | 20:53 |
| th1a | Make an html version? | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | we discussed putting the link in the person home, remember? | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | with an option to select the section | 20:54 |
| th1a | I don't remember what we ended up with, I'm sure it was brilliant. | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | :D | 20:55 |
| th1a | Can we just do that then? | 20:55 |
| replaceafill | i dont remember either! | 20:55 |
| th1a | I thought you just said you did? | 20:55 |
| replaceafill | let me look | 20:55 |
| replaceafill | i said we discussed it | 20:55 |
| replaceafill | dont remember if it was our final solution | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | let me look at my notes | 20:56 |
| * th1a grabs the giant post-its. | 20:56 | |
| replaceafill | - Add Report option for students to get to the pdf versions of the | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | student competency report and certificate of competency | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | yes | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | it's the person home | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | lol | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | * Certificate of Competency | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | ... | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | - Decide where to place the link | 20:57 |
| th1a | We're also going to do a page for CanDo administrators to help them find what they need for group, etc. reports. | 20:59 |
| replaceafill | but that's when celery is done, right? | 20:59 |
| th1a | That's not top priority. | 21:00 |
| replaceafill | kk | 21:00 |
| th1a | But basically we're directing teachers through the person page to find the reports. | 21:00 |
| th1a | Right? | 21:00 |
| replaceafill | yes | 21:00 |
| th1a | The header tweak is what? | 21:01 |
| replaceafill | what we said this morning | 21:01 |
| th1a | OK. | 21:01 |
| replaceafill | reducing the size of the font | 21:01 |
| replaceafill | and moving the title a little so it doesn't clash with the school name | 21:01 |
| th1a | OK. Let's get those done, fix the bug and push an update. | 21:04 |
| replaceafill | cool | 21:04 |
| replaceafill | are you going to reply to glenda? | 21:05 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:05 |
| replaceafill | kk | 21:05 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 21:05 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Assuming the bug isn't too horrible, can we shoot for Friday for this? | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | sure | 21:15 |
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