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khildin_ | replaceafill - will the devmeeting be in this channel or do you use other means of communication for those meetings?? | 00:04 |
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replaceafill | khildin_, this channel | 00:08 |
replaceafill | SchoolTool Dev meetings Mon, 13:30 UTC (16:30 EEST, 9:30 EST) | 00:08 |
replaceafill | that should be mon/wed | 00:09 |
khildin_ | ok..what is that in CET/GMT? | 00:09 |
replaceafill | i think UTC == GMT | 00:09 |
replaceafill | not sure though :) | 00:10 |
khildin_ | yes... http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx | 00:10 |
khildin_ | they are more or less the same | 00:10 |
khildin_ | thnx... I will be lurking in here then.. :) | 00:11 |
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khildin | hi all. I have a question: Is it possible to have multiple localizations in 1 instance of schooltool? | 12:21 |
khildin | I want to use schooltool in a bi-lingual school. Both french and dutch should be supported.. | 12:22 |
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yvl | hi khildin | 14:07 |
yvl | see http://book.schooltool.org/translations.html | 14:07 |
yvl | to enable dual-languages you have to either: | 14:08 |
yvl | put in schooltool.conf this: lang en-ca,fr | 14:08 |
yvl | (just with correct languages) | 14:08 |
yvl | or simply make users set their browser preferred languages to any language they want | 14:09 |
khildin | thnx.... so should be easy... browser is already set to preffered languages... | 14:10 |
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khildin | cool.. .works like a charm... I just added french language, put it on top in the list and refreshed... all was in french... great! | 14:14 |
yvl | :) | 14:14 |
khildin | I probably can configure a the useraccounts in LDAP that they are member of either dutch or french language group and automaticly configure their setting in firefox... so they don't have to set it them selves... | 14:18 |
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th1a | hi replaceafill, yvl, menesis, aelkner_. | 16:30 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:30 |
yvl | good morning | 16:30 |
aelkner_ | morning | 16:30 |
menesis | hi | 16:30 |
th1a | OK... would you like to start aelkner_? | 16:31 |
aelkner_ | ok, i fixed the skill scoresystems issues we discussed on monday | 16:31 |
aelkner_ | first, i put the scoresystem at the end of the import columns and made it optional | 16:32 |
aelkner_ | this way, virginia doesn't need to change anything | 16:32 |
aelkner_ | also, i put back the scoresystem property and | 16:32 |
aelkner_ | changed the attribute to custom_scoresytem which is None by default | 16:33 |
aelkner_ | so if the custom_scoresystem is not set, the default scoresystem will be returned as before | 16:33 |
aelkner_ | so it works like used to, but wth the ability to override it with a different scoresystem | 16:34 |
aelkner_ | i really don't think we need to worry about evolution here for that reason | 16:34 |
aelkner_ | any thoughts? | 16:34 |
yvl | :) | 16:36 |
th1a | You can set this through the web too, right? | 16:36 |
aelkner_ | yes, and that all has stests to prove things like it remembers what the person used as scoresystem last time | 16:36 |
th1a | So... what happens if you change the default score system to existing scores? | 16:37 |
aelkner_ | ? | 16:38 |
th1a | I mean, That will change the score system that corresponds to the skill. | 16:38 |
th1a | If one is not set, that is. | 16:38 |
th1a | Right? | 16:38 |
aelkner_ | there is no way to change the default scoresystem at the moment | 16:38 |
aelkner_ | it's the one we defined in cando | 16:39 |
th1a | Well, that has to change too. | 16:39 |
th1a | This has to work in general. | 16:40 |
aelkner_ | well, when it comes to scores, you are referring to evaluations | 16:40 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:40 |
aelkner_ | those have a score stored together with the scoresystem it was scored against | 16:40 |
aelkner_ | and the teacher | 16:40 |
aelkner_ | no section as we discussed before | 16:41 |
th1a | I think it would be safer if we explicitly set the score system to the default on import if none is specified. | 16:41 |
aelkner_ | i could do that | 16:41 |
th1a | We'd better. | 16:41 |
aelkner_ | yvl, makes sense to you? | 16:41 |
yvl | well | 16:42 |
yvl | it depends on how you want it to behave | 16:42 |
th1a | I'm still a little worried about the possibility of changing the score system for a skill mid-stream. | 16:42 |
yvl | say, people changed the default | 16:42 |
th1a | We don't want surprising things to happen. | 16:43 |
yvl | do you want all the old skills to change their score system, or not? | 16:43 |
yvl | if not, we should set the scoresystem on import | 16:43 |
aelkner_ | that's the question | 16:43 |
yvl | if we do want it to auto-change - not set anything | 16:43 |
yvl | aelkner_ made it pretty flexible :) | 16:43 |
replaceafill | this would allow skills with different scoresystems in the same worksheet, right? | 16:44 |
yvl | yes | 16:44 |
replaceafill | in projects for example | 16:44 |
th1a | Does this in turn totally break our gradebook? | 16:44 |
replaceafill | skills/projects gradebooks don't calculate average/totals | 16:45 |
replaceafill | so i don't think it does | 16:45 |
yvl | true | 16:45 |
th1a | OK. | 16:45 |
yvl | reports may get finicky, but that's all | 16:45 |
th1a | We're probably going to have to table this until after the release though. | 16:45 |
th1a | It has many loose ends. | 16:45 |
th1a | I don't want to jam it in and there are more fruitful low-hanging fruit to pick in the next couple weeks. | 16:46 |
aelkner_ | so, i'm not sure what the verdict was, do i need to set the scoresytem to default on import, or not? | 16:47 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:47 |
th1a | Do that and then park this in a branch for a few weeks. | 16:47 |
aelkner_ | well, crap, it was parked in a branch, then last week you said you wanted it in trunk | 16:47 |
aelkner_ | so that's where it is now | 16:47 |
aelkner_ | taking it back out is possible, but tedious | 16:48 |
aelkner_ | luckily, noone else commited to trunk lately | 16:49 |
aelkner_ | i have the two most recent commits, so i could rewind them out if you're sure that's what you want | 16:49 |
aelkner_ | the question is, are we so afraid of going with this? | 16:50 |
aelkner_ | i mean, if it's a good idea, we should do it, if not, why bother? | 16:50 |
th1a | VA doesn't need it immediately. | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | the point was that VA wouldn't be harmed by it | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | the live code has no override | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | the scoresystem attrbute is a read only proerty | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | and it always returns the default score system | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | the new code, also will always return that scoresystem | 16:51 |
th1a | The question is what is going into the public release in October as well. | 16:52 |
aelkner_ | and that's because VA isn't setting it something else | 16:52 |
th1a | That has to work in general. | 16:52 |
th1a | We just have a lot of little things we need to get straightened out quickly for VA and other users. | 16:52 |
th1a | And this is a fiddly and potentially buggy feature. | 16:52 |
th1a | I'm realizing how many places it touches. | 16:53 |
th1a | Reports. | 16:53 |
th1a | Check that it actually works with the gradebooks. | 16:54 |
aelkner_ | ok, and those things take too much time | 16:54 |
th1a | We probably can't allow certain kinds of changes. | 16:54 |
aelkner_ | so you'd rather table it until post-release | 16:54 |
th1a | Probably if you change the score system for a skill what actually has to happen is a new copy of the skill, or something. | 16:55 |
aelkner_ | ok, sounds like the design still needs to be worked out | 16:55 |
th1a | Which isn't to say that this is an obscure case that we should ignore. | 16:55 |
aelkner_ | so i'm going to merge the recent changes i put in trunk back to the special scoresystem beanch | 16:56 |
aelkner_ | then i'll add a commit to trunk that undoes the last two commits | 16:56 |
aelkner_ | right? | 16:56 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:56 |
aelkner_ | ok, will do | 16:56 |
aelkner_ | so i've been looking at the student journal as well | 16:57 |
aelkner_ | i've been studying how the mygrades works in the gradebook | 16:57 |
aelkner_ | basically, we need a separate adapter from ISectionJournal(section) | 16:58 |
aelkner_ | that adapter works for teachers who are allowed to see all students' data | 16:58 |
aelkner_ | so we need to have IMyJournal(section) so a student can see their own data | 16:58 |
aelkner_ | actually, it should probably we IMyJournal(section, student) to make it even safer | 16:59 |
aelkner_ | the student being whoever is logged in | 16:59 |
aelkner_ | and the Journal tab at the top needs to work like the Gradebook tab | 17:00 |
aelkner_ | in that it checks whether the person has sectionsTaught or sectionsAttended | 17:00 |
aelkner_ | and redirects to ISectionJournal(section) in the first case | 17:00 |
aelkner_ | and IMyJournal(section, student) in the second case | 17:01 |
aelkner_ | yvl, replaceafill, makes sense? | 17:01 |
* yvl shrugs | 17:02 | |
yvl | sorry, I really don't remember details | 17:02 |
replaceafill | aelkner_, sure | 17:02 |
aelkner_ | i thought replaceafill would have a more confident point of view :) | 17:02 |
aelkner_ | considering how much time you have spent in the code in the last year | 17:02 |
aelkner_ | ok, so i will do it that way | 17:03 |
aelkner_ | i'll get to that after i roll back the scoresystem commits | 17:04 |
aelkner_ | that's it for me | 17:04 |
th1a | OK. Thanks aelkner_. | 17:04 |
th1a | replaceafill? | 17:04 |
replaceafill | ok | 17:05 |
replaceafill | i fixed the error in the Section Summary report when students don't have evaluations and the teacher select the Evaluated type of skills | 17:05 |
replaceafill | i also found an error in the edit activity view | 17:06 |
replaceafill | it was using an old redirect | 17:06 |
replaceafill | to a /manage.html page in the old skin | 17:06 |
replaceafill | so i fixed that too | 17:06 |
replaceafill | i pushed my change to the permissions of the Reports options in the gradebook | 17:06 |
replaceafill | so now admins can access those reports | 17:07 |
replaceafill | this made me wonder about permissions of the different options in the gradebook | 17:07 |
replaceafill | and i'd like your opinion on it | 17:07 |
replaceafill | for example: | 17:07 |
replaceafill | should admins be able to Add/Edit activities? | 17:08 |
replaceafill | at this moment, they're able to edit them btw | 17:08 |
th1a | Let's say they shouldn't be able to add or edit them. | 17:09 |
th1a | Maybe in 10 years someone will complain. | 17:09 |
replaceafill | :D | 17:09 |
replaceafill | ok, so we need to make the popup menu for activities smarter | 17:09 |
replaceafill | add some permissions check | 17:09 |
replaceafill | because the option is available for them | 17:09 |
th1a | One control freak principal in Senegal will want it. | 17:09 |
replaceafill | if you don't want add/edit you probably don't want delete, right? :) | 17:10 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:10 |
replaceafill | Score this should only be enabled if the security setting is enabled imho | 17:10 |
replaceafill | same with the student popup | 17:10 |
replaceafill | it would be also nice if the admin doesn't get the <input /> fields when he clicks the cells | 17:11 |
replaceafill | but that's not a big deal i think | 17:11 |
replaceafill | i think we should hide the Save button | 17:12 |
replaceafill | in the same way | 17:12 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:12 |
replaceafill | they'll get a login form anyway if they try to save | 17:12 |
replaceafill | kk | 17:12 |
replaceafill | ah | 17:12 |
replaceafill | the delete activity option | 17:12 |
replaceafill | i think it could use a modal dialog | 17:13 |
replaceafill | asking you if you really want to delete the activity | 17:13 |
replaceafill | it's close to Sort by ;) | 17:13 |
replaceafill | maybe you wanted to sort by instead of deleting :) | 17:13 |
replaceafill | and it's not too difficult to do | 17:13 |
replaceafill | (i'm finding all this kinks while working in the projects gradebook btw) | 17:13 |
replaceafill | i have a question for yvl | 17:14 |
replaceafill | well, two :) | 17:14 |
yvl | listening | 17:14 |
replaceafill | yvl, is it "dangerous" to remove a catalog class from the code? | 17:14 |
replaceafill | i committed one by accident | 17:14 |
yvl | if it was persisted, yes | 17:15 |
replaceafill | and was thinking how to "disable" it | 17:15 |
replaceafill | ouch :( | 17:15 |
yvl | same as any persisted objects | 17:15 |
replaceafill | right | 17:15 |
replaceafill | ok, second question | 17:15 |
replaceafill | can you think of a reason why selenium's implicit_wait is not working? | 17:16 |
yvl | no :D | 17:17 |
replaceafill | i've been adding/modifying some tests on the gradebook | 17:17 |
replaceafill | this one specifically: | 17:17 |
replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool.gradebook/flourish/revision/495/src/schooltool/gradebook/browser/stests/popup_menus.txt | 17:17 |
replaceafill | and it took a looooong time to finish | 17:17 |
replaceafill | i started blaming the helper i wrote for printing the gradebook | 17:17 |
replaceafill | since it uses many query_all | 17:18 |
replaceafill | but i remember that in the past it didn't take that long to finish | 17:18 |
replaceafill | if implicit_wait was set to... say... 1 | 17:18 |
replaceafill | but anyway, not a big deal either :) | 17:19 |
replaceafill | th1a, finally | 17:19 |
replaceafill | khildin was asking yesterday about the new schooltool.ldap package | 17:19 |
replaceafill | maybe he's lurking right now :) | 17:19 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:19 |
* khildin is awake..:) | 17:19 | |
replaceafill | ah :) | 17:19 |
th1a | So the issue is that the new version of Zentyal for 12.04 is not ready yet? | 17:20 |
th1a | Or maybe I'm getting my version names confused. | 17:20 |
th1a | I can't keep up with the names anymore. | 17:20 |
khildin | uhm... I tried to install it on a zentyal 2.2 server and got the message that the package couldn't be found... | 17:20 |
khildin | zentyal 2.2 is on lucid | 17:20 |
th1a | Right. It is just in our PPA for 12.04, right menesis? | 17:21 |
khildin | zentyal 3.0 is out... and that one is on precise | 17:21 |
menesis | right | 17:21 |
khildin | will it come available for 10.04? | 17:21 |
menesis | I am backporting to lucid right now | 17:21 |
khildin | cool | 17:21 |
th1a | Guess that answers your question. | 17:22 |
menesis | package needs a few small changes | 17:22 |
khildin | any ETA? | 17:22 |
menesis | I will upload in a few minutes | 17:22 |
khildin | then I can try immediately... | 17:22 |
menesis | then how long it takes to build in the ppa (~3 hours) | 17:22 |
khildin | depends how long the queeu is.. :) | 17:23 |
khildin | queue*\ | 17:23 |
menesis | true | 17:23 |
th1a | I think they were having some hardware problems recently. | 17:23 |
khildin | great work! | 17:23 |
replaceafill | th1a, ok | 17:23 |
replaceafill | so i'll work on this admin options changes | 17:23 |
replaceafill | in the gradebook | 17:23 |
replaceafill | and will continue with the projects one | 17:24 |
replaceafill | i have search skills almost done | 17:24 |
aelkner_ | replaceafill, please don't commit to cando trunk until i've rolled back the scoresystem stuff, ok? | 17:24 |
replaceafill | i just discovered all this little issues | 17:24 |
replaceafill | aelkner_, i just did!!! | 17:24 |
replaceafill | aelkner_, kidding ;) | 17:24 |
replaceafill | :D | 17:24 |
* replaceafill done | 17:24 | |
aelkner_ | :) | 17:24 |
th1a | aelkner_: What about that recursion bug. | 17:24 |
th1a | ? | 17:24 |
aelkner_ | i don't know about that one | 17:25 |
aelkner_ | don't we need the Data.fs to recreate that? | 17:25 |
aelkner_ | or at least a script for recreating it with a fresh DAta.fs | 17:26 |
th1a | Well, you need to look at the bug and ask a question if you need more info. | 17:26 |
aelkner_ | well, that's the question i wold ask, what did you or can you send the Data.fs | 17:26 |
aelkner_ | what did you do or can you send the Data.fs | 17:27 |
aelkner_ | actually, asking the user to specify the script is less likely to work | 17:27 |
aelkner_ | so i'd just ask for the Data.fs | 17:28 |
th1a | You should probably ask here: https://answers.launchpad.net/schooltool/+question/208849 | 17:28 |
th1a | He'll definitely see it. | 17:28 |
replaceafill | aelkner_, | 17:28 |
replaceafill | oops | 17:28 |
replaceafill | i think you can get *a* recursion bug | 17:28 |
replaceafill | if you create two worksheets | 17:28 |
replaceafill | each with one single activity | 17:28 |
replaceafill | and you create linked activities to each other | 17:28 |
replaceafill | i'm not sure if it's the *same* bug though | 17:29 |
replaceafill | yep | 17:29 |
replaceafill | just did | 17:29 |
replaceafill | RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while calling a Python object | 17:29 |
th1a | That's probably it. | 17:30 |
aelkner_ | ah, ok, that's the script! | 17:30 |
replaceafill | :) | 17:30 |
aelkner_ | i'll use that then | 17:30 |
aelkner_ | thanks | 17:30 |
replaceafill | now my Data.fs is broken :/ | 17:30 |
yvl | :D | 17:30 |
th1a | You'll need to capture the exception so it doesn't throw a traceback and do something that keeps you from doing it in the UI. | 17:31 |
th1a | Work on that first, please. | 17:31 |
menesis | aelkner_, in cando trunk, you can bzr uncommit and bzr revert the last few changes, then bzr push --overwrite | 17:31 |
th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 17:32 |
th1a | yvl? | 17:32 |
aelkner_ | thanks menesis | 17:32 |
menesis | aelkner_, that will be simpler than undoing changes and merge later again | 17:32 |
menesis | of course make sure you have the devel branch somewhere :) | 17:33 |
yvl | I'm still in progress of making those skill copies | 17:33 |
yvl | and I have a question about evolution | 17:33 |
yvl | will it be ok, if I guess the section by skill/student/teacher combo? | 17:33 |
yvl | from skill I can guess the courses where it's used | 17:34 |
yvl | from there - sections | 17:34 |
yvl | so it would misbehave only if some teacher teaches same skill to same student in more than one section | 17:34 |
yvl | and I'm not sure about those "generic workplace skills" and similar | 17:35 |
yvl | does anybody know, will it cause problems IRL? | 17:35 |
th1a | Yes, for evolution, guess. | 17:35 |
yvl | ok | 17:36 |
th1a | VA are the only users and they shouldn't have any esoteric cases. | 17:36 |
yvl | well that's the thing | 17:36 |
yvl | the problem arises because same skills are taught to same students in different sections | 17:37 |
yvl | the question is | 17:37 |
yvl | are they taught by different teachers? | 17:37 |
yvl | if yes - we're fine | 17:37 |
th1a | Different teachers in the same section? | 17:37 |
yvl | different teachers in those different sections | 17:37 |
th1a | I think the workplace skills are actually separate versions for each course. | 17:38 |
th1a | That's something we discussed endlessly. | 17:38 |
th1a | That's what Welsh wanted. | 17:38 |
yvl | say, we have stuf like "workplace skills": course/Math, section/Math, teacher/John; course/Arts section/Arts, teacher/Peter | 17:38 |
yvl | well, nevermind then | 17:39 |
th1a | Basically, the way CanDo worked before is the same guess you'd be making now. | 17:39 |
th1a | It was all a guess. | 17:40 |
yvl | ok | 17:40 |
yvl | so I'll do that | 17:40 |
yvl | and commit Thu or Fri | 17:40 |
th1a | OK. Cool. | 17:40 |
th1a | Thanks yvl. | 17:40 |
th1a | menesis: I'm feeling like fewer bugs are being fixed than I'd imagined. | 17:41 |
menesis | but there are some fixed | 17:41 |
th1a | Let's see if aelkner_ can get the recursion bug fixed today and then tomorrow you can push whatever you've got. | 17:41 |
th1a | To the PPA. | 17:41 |
menesis | maybe you want cando release with those fixes | 17:41 |
th1a | Yeah. | 17:42 |
menesis | recursion bug is in the gradebook | 17:43 |
th1a | I think mostly we've been fixing bugs not literally in CanDo. | 17:44 |
th1a | The recursion bugfix maybe should be released to Universe. | 17:44 |
menesis | aelkner_, cando "sort by hierarchy order" changes are finished? | 17:45 |
aelkner_ | yes | 17:46 |
menesis | so I can make a release of cando up to r115 | 17:46 |
aelkner_ | yes | 17:47 |
menesis | replaceafill, and virginia fixes are also finished? | 17:47 |
replaceafill | menesis, ys | 17:47 |
replaceafill | yes | 17:47 |
aelkner_ | i'm going to rollback trunk to that point anyway | 17:47 |
menesis | good, so I will make those two releases as planned | 17:47 |
th1a | OK. | 17:49 |
th1a | Anything else, menesis? | 17:49 |
menesis | I was backporting gradebook bugfixes to 2.1 branch | 17:49 |
menesis | so that new fixes can be merged | 17:50 |
menesis | I'll wait for the recursion fix before making gradebook 2.1.1 release | 17:50 |
menesis | I was battling with selenium tests | 17:51 |
menesis | many tests fail for me | 17:51 |
menesis | on browser.ui.term.add | 17:52 |
menesis | says "Element could not be found" or "is not clickable at point" | 17:52 |
menesis | does that happen to others? | 17:52 |
aelkner_ | menesis, cando trunk is now at revision 115 | 17:52 |
replaceafill | menesis, just ran bin/test-headless -s schooltool.term and it passes | 17:54 |
menesis | I suspect term is quite long and does not fit on headless screen | 17:55 |
menesis | ok | 17:56 |
menesis | nothing else to report | 17:56 |
th1a | OK. Thanks menesis. | 17:56 |
th1a | Guess that does it. | 17:57 |
th1a | Thanks guys. Have a good week and weekend. | 17:57 |
th1a | Keep plugging away. | 17:57 |
th1a | Let me know about the recursion bug aelkner_. | 17:57 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:58 | |
replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:58 |
menesis | replaceafill, does not pass for me. maybe implicit_wait = 5 is too short. or you add some options to test-headless? | 17:58 |
replaceafill | menesis, ah let me try | 17:58 |
replaceafill | i use implicity_wait=1 | 17:58 |
menesis | and chrome | 17:58 |
menesis | ? | 17:59 |
replaceafill | this is my setup: | 17:59 |
replaceafill | http://pastebin.com/inAD9MZR | 17:59 |
replaceafill | copied from yvl's ;) | 17:59 |
menesis | replaceafill, thanks | 18:00 |
menesis | nothing special | 18:01 |
th1a | aelkner_, We really don't want to jump straight to "send me your Data.fs" with strangers. | 18:01 |
replaceafill | menesis, i'm using version 23.0.1240.0 of chromedriver btw | 18:02 |
replaceafill | just passed with implicit_wait=5 | 18:03 |
menesis | replaceafill, so term adding works for you. that's what I wanted to know | 18:08 |
replaceafill | ah | 18:09 |
replaceafill | yes :) | 18:09 |
khildin | menesis: can you give some kind of notice when schooltool.ldap is available in lucid repository? (here on IRC or drop a line in the mail) | 18:10 |
menesis | khildin, yes I can notify you | 18:11 |
menesis | launchpad says build starts in 1 hour | 18:11 |
khildin | nice.. :) | 18:12 |
aelkner_ | th1a, yeah, sorry about that, it was right before replaceafill came up with the script | 18:12 |
aelkner_ | i just thought it was easier than adding the user for a script | 18:13 |
aelkner_ | asking | 18:13 |
th1a | It is a kind of intimate request. | 18:17 |
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khildin | thnx guys, I just installed schooltool.ldap on my server... gonna have a look at it now.. :) | 21:23 |
khildin | this is UBERCOOL!.... works like a charm!!... | 21:27 |
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khildin | did I understand it well, that schooltool doesn't access / change LDAP but copies account info to the own user database (data.fs)? | 21:35 |
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khildin | hi all... the LDAP plugin is great!.. I was just thinking, shouldn't the 'change password' feature in schooltool be disabled as soon ldap is used for authentication?? | 23:17 |
khildin | or better: ldap accounts are copied over to data.fs | 23:18 |
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