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| mattva01 | hey menesis, what's the software running the irc logger? | 00:10 |
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| menesis | povbot_: say hi :) | 00:19 |
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| mattva01 | lol, thanks :p | 00:19 |
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| mattva01 | yeah, will probably make a variant for jelkner's new enterprise :p | 00:20 |
| mattva01 | ok dinner time | 00:20 |
| replaceafill | freenode is going to have #jelkner? :D | 00:24 |
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| replaceafill | looks like dwelsh demo didn't go very well :( | 00:26 |
| replaceafill | he got stucked with the VA sections import | 00:26 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, i think http://69.164.203.135:6660/terms should use the new ajax tables | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | so it can be sorted any way | 17:28 |
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| th1a | replaceafill: Sure. | 17:58 |
| replaceafill | i just realized that the order in /manage and /terms doesn't match :| | 17:59 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6662/manage (see the Terms table) | 17:59 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6662/terms | 17:59 |
| replaceafill | i'll set a single table for both views | 17:59 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:59 |
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| jelkner | th1a, replaceafill are you both here? | 18:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm here | 18:54 |
| jelkner | i was thinking if you were both here, we could talk now | 18:55 |
| jelkner | otherwise, i'll just wait until 2:15 pm | 18:55 |
| th1a | I am here. | 18:55 |
| jelkner | cool | 18:56 |
| jelkner | can we talk now? | 18:56 |
| jelkner | i'm at lunch break | 18:56 |
| jelkner | and finished lunch | 18:56 |
| th1a | I can talk. | 18:57 |
| jelkner | cool, let me start | 18:57 |
| jelkner | we want to run a ST pilot at the HILT Institute next school year | 18:57 |
| jelkner | we want to use the full suite | 18:57 |
| jelkner | Gradebook, Journal, Intervention, CanDo | 18:58 |
| jelkner | also, my colleagues are most interested in Pyquiz | 18:58 |
| jelkner | and in doing work explicitly using that to assess skills | 18:58 |
| jelkner | do either of you have any questions about who we are or how we would use the system? | 18:59 |
| th1a | I don't think so. | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | i guess my only question would be: will you need integration between every component? | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | i mean, cando -> gradebook, pyquiz -> gradebook, etc | 19:00 |
| jelkner | i would say that is the goal | 19:00 |
| jelkner | but not a requirement to start the year | 19:00 |
| jelkner | but yes | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:01 |
| jelkner | that's the idea | 19:01 |
| jelkner | we have pyquiz -> gradebook already | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | we don't have cando -> gradebook yet | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | right | 19:01 |
| jelkner | right | 19:01 |
| jelkner | so my next big question is, do the two of you think we can / should proceed? | 19:01 |
| jelkner | before answering | 19:01 |
| jelkner | i want to say that what that means to me is that we have a fairly smooth ride for my colleagues | 19:02 |
| jelkner | this summer has been a bit rought | 19:02 |
| jelkner | rough | 19:02 |
| jelkner | i wouldn't want that to happen to isaac, sean, and pat | 19:02 |
| jelkner | we will loose them if it does | 19:02 |
| jelkner | i certainly fault myself for not being more proactive | 19:03 |
| jelkner | so i'm trying to correct that now by asking for this meeting | 19:03 |
| jelkner | if you two think we can do this, i want to develop a plan now | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, leaving out pyquiz and the missing grades for students in cando, what other parts have been rough? | 19:04 |
| jelkner | and have deadlines and goal markers for meeting an august 27th launch | 19:04 |
| jelkner | cando has been all that has been rough | 19:04 |
| jelkner | but that is all i use | 19:04 |
| jelkner | like last summer | 19:04 |
| jelkner | this is a competency based program | 19:04 |
| jelkner | i don't even use the other gradebook | 19:04 |
| jelkner | so monday we are half way through the program | 19:04 |
| jelkner | and my students have yet to see a score | 19:05 |
| jelkner | they rock | 19:05 |
| jelkner | a wonderful group of eager learners | 19:05 |
| jelkner | so we are doing ok | 19:05 |
| jelkner | but we should have been ready to talk skills tracking on july 2 | 19:05 |
| jelkner | anyway | 19:05 |
| jelkner | i need to train my colleague during our 1st week back | 19:05 |
| jelkner | august 27 to 31 | 19:06 |
| jelkner | if we don't have a system up and running and ready for that | 19:06 |
| jelkner | we will be hurting | 19:06 |
| jelkner | s/colleague/colleagues | 19:06 |
| jelkner | can we do it? | 19:06 |
| th1a | I think we'll be fine. | 19:07 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do you say go? | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, imho i know you're busy, but a test run is worth | 19:08 |
| jelkner | cool, that's agenda item 1 and 2 | 19:08 |
| jelkner | now for 3 | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | i think that the approach of finding missing parts on the ground hurts you | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | at least for this (cando) | 19:08 |
| jelkner | true | 19:08 |
| th1a | tbh, there has been no turning back since the spring anyhow. | 19:08 |
| jelkner | so let me share my thoughts on 3 | 19:09 |
| jelkner | i originally thought having us run on the main APS instance was the way to go | 19:09 |
| jelkner | for two reasons: | 19:09 |
| jelkner | 1. political. It makes us "official" and expanses the uses to which the system supported instance is used | 19:10 |
| jelkner | 2. practical. It meant dwelsh was responsible for the system and not me ;-) | 19:10 |
| jelkner | i'm now not sure that is the right thing at this stage | 19:10 |
| jelkner | it certainly should be | 19:10 |
| jelkner | but my impression is that the system is still too immature | 19:11 |
| jelkner | and that CTE and HILT Institute still have very different needs | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i see stress and strain in negotiating whose needs matter (a battle HILT Institute would loose) | 19:12 |
| jelkner | so my feeling now is that we keep the current vm and run our own ST there | 19:12 |
| jelkner | thoughts? | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | i have no problem maintaining a separate vm for you | 19:13 |
| jelkner | thanks, replaceafill, but the question is, do you think that is the most effective deployment strategy? | 19:14 |
| th1a | It sounds like it is necessary politically. | 19:16 |
| jelkner | th1a, i agree | 19:16 |
| jelkner | and technically too | 19:16 |
| jelkner | we want all kinds of still early development functionality | 19:17 |
| jelkner | and are a "small school" use case | 19:17 |
| jelkner | CTE is a "big school" use case | 19:17 |
| jelkner | with very different needs | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | and i don't think the official CTE will be interested in integrating pyquiz for example | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | you need your own | 19:17 |
| jelkner | besides, i had so much fun reading the ST book and setting up the small school, i wan to do it again! ;-) | 19:18 |
| jelkner | but with a chapter on cando | 19:18 |
| jelkner | joking aside | 19:18 |
| jelkner | i'm serious about that | 19:18 |
| th1a | Maybe you could calm Welsh down about terms. | 19:19 |
| jelkner | the ST book has convinced me that you folks have developed an excellent application for the small school use case | 19:19 |
| jelkner | i won't give up trying, but don't hold your breath | 19:19 |
| jelkner | ST is really well documented and easy to setup | 19:19 |
| jelkner | for a program as complicated as a SIS, that's a real accomplishment | 19:20 |
| jelkner | you should let us pilot it for you from that perspective | 19:20 |
| jelkner | so i'll admin the system for HILT Institute | 19:20 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:20 |
| jelkner | cool | 19:20 |
| jelkner | this was easy | 19:20 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i have to get back to class | 19:21 |
| jelkner | you and i should meet soon to create a timeline | 19:21 |
| jelkner | working backwards from august 27 | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:21 |
| jelkner | thanks, gentleman! | 19:21 |
| jelkner | have a great weekend | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | u2 jelkner | 19:21 |
| th1a | Thanks jelkner. | 19:21 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, you'll email me when students can see their skills? | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:22 |
| jelkner | i'm planning on introducing that on monday | 19:22 |
| jelkner | sweet | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | i'll mark the bug as "Fix committed" too | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 19:22 |
| jelkner | awesome | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | and i'll update your instance with the fix | 19:22 |
| jelkner | thanks again... | 19:22 |
| jelkner | bye | 19:22 |
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| replaceafill | see u | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 19:46 |
| th1a | We meeting with Welsh? | 20:35 |
| replaceafill | he just pinged me in google chat | 20:36 |
| th1a | I'm done with the other meeting. | 20:36 |
| * replaceafill goes get his stuff | 20:37 | |
| th1a | The same skill in different courses should be the same skill. | 21:03 |
| replaceafill | let me try | 21:03 |
| th1a | David isn't particularly consistent in this regard. | 21:04 |
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| th1a | The thing here is that CanDo per se hasn't been running behind schedule. It is this importing and other SchoolTool stuff. | 21:21 |
| replaceafill | i'll take the two tasks about terms dwelsh just sent | 21:27 |
| aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/manage | 21:31 |
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