aelkner | mattva01, hey | 00:44 |
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mattva01 | aelkner, have any idea how to integrate cando into a development instance? | 01:05 |
mattva01 | as in what to checkout and what to put into the buildout.cfg? | 01:05 |
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aelkner | sure, i'll email you my buildout.cfg as a reference, then i'll explain the pattern | 01:14 |
aelkner | mattva01, look at the develop = line | 01:16 |
aelkner | assumed there is that the package to be added was branched along side the schooltool, where the buildout file lives | 01:16 |
aelkner | also, below, in the eggs section, there needs to be only the package mentioned, no path | 01:17 |
aelkner | do you need schooltool.virginia, or is this just a cando only instance? | 01:17 |
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th1a | hi yvl, aelkner, replaceafill. | 16:30 |
yvl | good morning | 16:30 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:30 |
aelkner | morning | 16:30 |
th1a | OK, so the next two weeks will be continuing my semi-summer vacation. | 16:32 |
th1a | I'm in Providence now and driving to PA (8 hours) Wednesday. | 16:32 |
th1a | Driving back the following Thursday. | 16:32 |
th1a | I'll be online and working some daily though. | 16:33 |
th1a | As per usual. | 16:33 |
yvl | kk | 16:33 |
th1a | yvl: How are long term processes progressing? | 16:33 |
yvl | today I started working on two phase commits and am... in the middle of it, I'd say | 16:34 |
yvl | after that, let's see | 16:35 |
yvl | we have simple tasks, recurrent tasks, their counterparts for DB writes/reads | 16:35 |
yvl | and tpc's | 16:36 |
th1a | Can we shoot for some kind of demo/example for next Monday? | 16:36 |
yvl | hmm | 16:36 |
yvl | I should be able to start on import tasks wed | 16:37 |
yvl | so yes, sounds plausable | 16:37 |
yvl | the first one is always the hardest :) | 16:37 |
th1a | Feels like we're at the point where we need a push over the finish line. | 16:37 |
yvl | same here | 16:37 |
th1a | OK then... PUSH! | 16:38 |
th1a | ;-) | 16:38 |
* yvl is just a bit careful, because you need to be with such things | 16:38 | |
yvl | it's not like we can debug much on-field | 16:38 |
th1a | Yes, at the end of the day, there are a lot more things that can go wrong with this kind of system. | 16:38 |
yvl | a *lot*, yes | 16:39 |
yvl | but Ask Solem and friends are awesome hackers, so at least I can trust their code :) | 16:39 |
yvl | so, I'll have an update Wed and shoot for basic demo Mon | 16:40 |
th1a | In Celery? | 16:40 |
th1a | They're the celery team? | 16:40 |
yvl | yes, Ask Solem is Celery author | 16:41 |
th1a | OK. | 16:41 |
th1a | Anything else yvl? | 16:42 |
yvl | Devilstone open-air was awesome! | 16:42 |
yvl | that would be all. | 16:42 |
yvl | :) | 16:42 |
th1a | Ah, excellent. | 16:42 |
* yvl is trying to convey his possitive attitude towards pretty much everything now :) | 16:43 | |
th1a | Coo. | 16:44 |
th1a | Thanksy yvl. | 16:44 |
yvl | :) | 16:44 |
th1a | aelkner? | 16:44 |
aelkner | ok, so i started with the there are none messages in the node view | 16:44 |
aelkner | that got me to finally getting the pencils for editing node layers and skillsets to work | 16:45 |
aelkner | there is no pencil, thus, no heading for child nodes, nor in the layer view | 16:45 |
aelkner | that's because we don't have a relationship property for children | 16:45 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/manage | 16:46 |
aelkner | should we leave the children section without the pencil since we have it for parents? | 16:46 |
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th1a | hm... | 16:47 |
aelkner | btw, adding too many parents will cause a crash | 16:48 |
th1a | The site is running really slow, btw. | 16:48 |
aelkner | that's because we don't have a special check for whether adding one causes a cyclic relationship | 16:49 |
th1a | May be overloaded again... | 16:49 |
th1a | So... what needs to be done about that aelkner? | 16:49 |
aelkner | i was going to ask replaceafill, did you notice that it takes twenty seconds to start server | 16:49 |
aelkner | if you have welsh's skills loaded? | 16:49 |
replaceafill | no, i haven't | 16:50 |
replaceafill | started quickly today after i updated the branches... | 16:50 |
aelkner | and you have the whole verso_skills.xls loaded? | 16:50 |
replaceafill | yes | 16:50 |
aelkner | funny because when i have them loaded, it's slow, when i remove them it's fast | 16:50 |
th1a | On your local machine aelkner? | 16:51 |
aelkner | yes, there, too | 16:51 |
aelkner | i've been working with a smaller set of skills to avoid the problem | 16:52 |
aelkner | i was hoping the replaceafill would have the same problem with the larger set of skills | 16:52 |
th1a | Well... the server is acting like it is maxed out. It is probably both a little slow in terms of software and just swamped hardware wise. | 16:53 |
th1a | What's the load look like replaceafill? | 16:53 |
aelkner | ah, right, the demo server has issues of its own | 16:53 |
replaceafill | replaceafill@schooltoolers:~/sandboxes/schooltool.cando_demo/schooltool$ free | 16:53 |
replaceafill | total used free shared buffers cached | 16:53 |
replaceafill | Mem: 768848 687648 81200 0 29296 260684 | 16:53 |
replaceafill | -/+ buffers/cache: 397668 371180 | 16:53 |
replaceafill | Swap: 524284 299404 224880 | 16:53 |
replaceafill | it's used half of its swap | 16:53 |
replaceafill | we could restart it | 16:53 |
th1a | It's not loading a node for me. | 16:54 |
th1a | EIther that or kill all the random instances on there. | 16:54 |
th1a | What's top say? | 16:54 |
aelkner | do we realy need schooltool.niepa running? | 16:54 |
replaceafill | top - 13:54:27 up 44 days, 19:57, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.07 | 16:54 |
th1a | Huh. | 16:54 |
th1a | Can you guys load http://69.164.203.135:36660/nodes/occupation-2797 | 16:54 |
replaceafill | don't see anything eating cpu or something | 16:55 |
replaceafill | i can | 16:55 |
replaceafill | Automated Manufacturing Technician | 16:55 |
replaceafill | loaded fast | 16:55 |
aelkner | th1a, that loaded right away | 16:55 |
th1a | Hm... yes, I have it now. | 16:55 |
th1a | Odd. | 16:55 |
aelkner | cold it be a network thing or you ISP? | 16:56 |
th1a | It could be any kind of weird thing. | 16:56 |
th1a | However, can we be clear here going forward on whether this is a little slow starting up with all the CanDo skills or if we have a serious problem which needs to be addressed ASAP. | 16:57 |
th1a | aelkner? | 16:58 |
aelkner | i don't know why it starts slow on y macine and not on replaceafill's | 16:58 |
aelkner | perhaps he and i could look into this together | 16:58 |
th1a | Well, I don't really care about slow starting anyhow. | 16:58 |
th1a | Does it run ok? | 16:59 |
aelkner | yes, it runs ok, just slow-starting | 16:59 |
th1a | OK. | 16:59 |
th1a | Is replaceafill using a ssd? | 16:59 |
replaceafill | nope | 16:59 |
aelkner | that's a pain for developing because i need to start a lot | 16:59 |
th1a | I don't care if you use a smaller skillset for development. | 16:59 |
aelkner | sure, sure | 16:59 |
th1a | I just have to make sure a couple days before deployment everyone says "by the way, this is actually too slow to use, maybe we should have mentioned it." | 17:00 |
th1a | OK, so, nodes. | 17:00 |
aelkner | luckily welsh has been using replaceafill's instance a lot, so it's not like he'll suddenly start using it | 17:00 |
aelkner | and it is slow, so i don't think we have to worry there | 17:01 |
aelkner | so, nodes | 17:01 |
aelkner | go ahead | 17:01 |
th1a | So... we can't add children? | 17:01 |
aelkner | we don't have the relationship property, so i was gong to ask yvl about that | 17:02 |
aelkner | yvl, can you tell me what i would need to do to add that? | 17:02 |
yvl | one sec | 17:02 |
aelkner | do we need a new URILink, or can we reuse the one for parents and reverse the order or something? | 17:03 |
yvl | can you tell what you want to add to what exactly? | 17:03 |
yvl | either I missed something, or I'm missing context | 17:03 |
aelkner | a class attribute to Node | 17:03 |
aelkner | children = RelationsipProperty(... | 17:04 |
aelkner | also to Layer, same thing | 17:04 |
yvl | umm, no, the question is what you want to link with what | 17:04 |
yvl | the objects | 17:04 |
yvl | "add children Xes to Ys" | 17:04 |
yvl | or somehting | 17:04 |
aelkner | it's the same as parents, only the reverse | 17:04 |
yvl | again | 17:05 |
yvl | please | 17:05 |
yvl | what to what? | 17:05 |
yvl | I just have no idea what you are talking about | 17:05 |
yvl | (it's continuation of some earlier discussion I don't seem to remember) | 17:05 |
th1a | Looking at a node view, wanting to add a child. | 17:05 |
aelkner | Nodes have parents nodes, i need Nodes to have child nodes | 17:05 |
yvl | ah, ok | 17:05 |
yvl | lemme look | 17:05 |
aelkner | and Layes to have chlid Layers | 17:05 |
yvl | (and thanks) | 17:06 |
th1a | Generally people compose these things from the top down, so I'd much rather have it run the other way. | 17:06 |
* yvl is looking for examples | 17:07 | |
aelkner | we could have it run both ways | 17:07 |
aelkner | th1a, are you suggesting getting rid of parents if children are working? | 17:07 |
th1a | I'm kind of anti editing parents at all. | 17:07 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:07 |
aelkner | how about displaying them? | 17:08 |
th1a | Yes to displaying them. | 17:08 |
aelkner | just no pencil, right? | 17:08 |
aelkner | yvl, does getting rid of parents pencil and having children pencil work for you? | 17:09 |
yvl | sorry, I don't follow this development closely | 17:09 |
yvl | at the moment | 17:09 |
yvl | can't weigh in objectively | 17:10 |
aelkner | you can click on the link to my demo instance and look at the latest node.pt | 17:10 |
th1a | The only thing yvl needs to tell us is if there is some reason that we can't add children to a node when we're editing the node. | 17:10 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/manage | 17:10 |
yvl | no there is no reason | 17:10 |
yvl | the syntax is, if I recall correctly... | 17:10 |
yvl | from schooltool.cando.model import NodeLink | 17:10 |
yvl | NodeLink(parent=this, child=that) | 17:10 |
yvl | and to get the list, you can also use | 17:11 |
yvl | NodeLink.query(parent=this) | 17:11 |
yvl | (to get children) | 17:11 |
yvl | or | 17:11 |
yvl | NodeLink.query(child=that) | 17:11 |
aelkner | this from model.py: | 17:11 |
aelkner | NodeLink = RelationshipSchema(URINodeLink, | 17:11 |
aelkner | parent=URIParentNode, | 17:11 |
aelkner | child=URINode) | 17:11 |
yvl | (to get parents) | 17:11 |
aelkner | parents = RelationshipProperty(URINodeLink, URINode, URIParentNode) | 17:12 |
aelkner | i don't see any this or that in those lines | 17:12 |
aelkner | but can we jsut reverse the order in the RelationshipProperty call? | 17:12 |
aelkner | children = RelationshipProperty(URINodeLink, URIParentNode, URINode)? | 17:13 |
yvl | well, if you read schooltool.realtionship.relationship module, you might see ;) | 17:13 |
aelkner | or do we need a new schema? | 17:13 |
yvl | the answer is yes | 17:13 |
aelkner | i'll try that then, and i | 17:14 |
yvl | but there might be a reason why there is only one property defined | 17:14 |
yvl | so anyway - you can always use what I wrote above | 17:14 |
yvl | also, you can do NodeLink.unlink(parent=this, child=that) | 17:15 |
aelkner | i prefer having the relationship property | 17:16 |
aelkner | it makes it easier to query, and the relationship base views use add and remove as a rule | 17:16 |
yvl | ok | 17:17 |
aelkner | i'll see what i can do | 17:17 |
yvl | it should work | 17:17 |
aelkner | th1a, i'll get rid of parent pencils and replace with children pencils | 17:17 |
aelkner | moving on | 17:17 |
aelkner | n skillsets, get rid of external_id, change short_label to label, add description | 17:17 |
th1a | Keep the headers inside the accordions, btw. | 17:17 |
aelkner | i finished that one | 17:17 |
th1a | Also, use tables inside the accordions. | 17:17 |
th1a | Style-wise. | 17:17 |
aelkner | th1a, what do mean by keeping headers inside accordions | 17:18 |
th1a | The header text. | 17:18 |
aelkner | the accordion needs its own header | 17:18 |
th1a | I mean in both places. | 17:18 |
aelkner | then , we need another one for the pencil | 17:18 |
th1a | Embrace redundancy. | 17:18 |
aelkner | i'm not sure what you are asking about headers, it already is redundant | 17:19 |
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aelkner | could you restate what you want with the headers please? | 17:19 |
th1a | In child nodes, you took it out. | 17:19 |
aelkner | you asked me to | 17:19 |
aelkner | but now we will have the pencil, so it will go back | 17:20 |
aelkner | but you asked me to get rid of headers that had no pencil | 17:20 |
aelkner | unless i misunderstood | 17:20 |
aelkner | your complaint was in fact the redundancy, perhaps you have embraced it in the meantime | 17:21 |
th1a | We ended last week with: | 17:22 |
th1a | th1aOK, so just leave them then. | 17:22 |
aelkner | ah, seeing as you want the lists to be tables | 17:22 |
aelkner | i could see that we would always have the header | 17:22 |
th1a | http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/%23schooltool.2012-07-11.log.html#t2012-07-11T16:37:53 | 17:22 |
th1a | Anyhow, just put it back and remember to format the child and parent nodes as tables (even if they're headerless). | 17:23 |
aelkner | ok, i'll make them tables and include the headers always, pencils left out for parents | 17:24 |
aelkner | do you want the layer view to also have an accordion? | 17:24 |
aelkner | it only has General Info, parents and children | 17:25 |
aelkner | but that may be enough to justify having the accordion, your call | 17:25 |
th1a | ... waiting for it to come up ... | 17:25 |
aelkner | yeah, i'm not having the same time waiting | 17:26 |
aelkner | it must be your ISP or someting | 17:26 |
th1a | Weird. Not affecting any other sites. | 17:26 |
th1a | Anyhow, no, I don't think so. | 17:27 |
aelkner | no accordion for layer view | 17:27 |
aelkner | but tables for parents and children, right? | 17:27 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:28 |
aelkner | ok, will do | 17:28 |
aelkner | yvl, i noticed something about ajax tables | 17:28 |
yvl | yes? | 17:29 |
aelkner | they don't have a there are none message | 17:29 |
th1a | I think we should retain the tertiary navigation as you're viewing all the sub-objects. | 17:29 |
aelkner | in fact, the class attribute, empty_message = u'' | 17:29 |
aelkner | shouldn't it have there are none and be used in the template? | 17:29 |
yvl | a good question | 17:29 |
yvl | looks like something made deliberately | 17:29 |
aelkner | that's why i ask you, you may have had your reason for it | 17:30 |
yvl | (or unfinished) | 17:30 |
replaceafill | -1 on generic "there are none" messages | 17:30 |
replaceafill | they're a pain to translate | 17:30 |
yvl | that might be the reason | 17:30 |
aelkner | th1a, i ask because you complain when they are not there | 17:30 |
aelkner | so in a blank instance, hitting the Skills link brings you to the tertiary | 17:30 |
aelkner | but there are empty tables with no there are none messages | 17:31 |
aelkner | if that's ok, then fine | 17:31 |
th1a | Is "There are none." an acceptable generic message? | 17:31 |
replaceafill | imho, no it isn't | 17:32 |
replaceafill | it's better to have: | 17:32 |
replaceafill | "there are no layers" | 17:32 |
replaceafill | "there are no nodes" | 17:32 |
replaceafill | etc | 17:32 |
th1a | My only concern is when a completely blank space is left under a header that makes it look like something is unfinished or buggy. | 17:33 |
yvl | +1 replaceafill | 17:33 |
th1a | So I'm not sure exactly what case aelkner is referring to. | 17:33 |
replaceafill | related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/899406 | 17:33 |
aelkner | i could put there are no nodes, layers, documents or skillsets (no generic) if that's ok | 17:34 |
aelkner | it seems like good arguments are being made against generic | 17:35 |
aelkner | shall we move on? | 17:36 |
th1a | Tertiary navigation throughout these views. | 17:36 |
th1a | And breadcrumbs. | 17:36 |
aelkner | i know about the need for breadcrumbs | 17:37 |
th1a | Especially meaningful breadcrumbs while browsing documents (they'll have to be smart). | 17:37 |
aelkner | what do you mean about tertiary throughout? | 17:37 |
th1a | When you're looking at, say, a node. | 17:37 |
aelkner | what would the tertiary links have? | 17:38 |
th1a | Same as top level for this stuff. | 17:38 |
th1a | Documents Skill Sets Layers Nodes | 17:38 |
aelkner | i see, so while viewing a node, the Nodes tab is highlighted | 17:39 |
aelkner | i could do that, should be interesting | 17:39 |
th1a | Quick would be better than interesting. ;-) | 17:40 |
th1a | We're getting into the weeds here. | 17:40 |
aelkner | so i added the label hint for the five character limit | 17:41 |
aelkner | and i got rid of external_id for skillsets, replacing it with description | 17:41 |
aelkner | i still need to fo the htmlfield edting for descriptions | 17:42 |
aelkner | that and the breadcrumbs were already on my list | 17:42 |
th1a | We also have to display them correctly. | 17:42 |
aelkner | anyway, that's it for me | 17:42 |
aelkner | yes, ofc | 17:42 |
th1a | And replaceafill did you take descriptions out of the dropdown thing? | 17:42 |
replaceafill | th1a, you mean the filldown? | 17:43 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:43 |
replaceafill | yes | 17:43 |
replaceafill | haven't pushed that yet | 17:43 |
replaceafill | it's part of my task for today | 17:43 |
replaceafill | tasks* | 17:43 |
th1a | OK. | 17:43 |
th1a | all right aelkner. I guess you're back from Arlington? | 17:43 |
aelkner | yes | 17:44 |
th1a | OK. | 17:45 |
th1a | I do feel like we're stuck in the mud right now. | 17:45 |
th1a | Any ideas about how we can move faster to resolve these issues? | 17:46 |
aelkner | there are and have been a lot of issues to work out with the skills views | 17:46 |
aelkner | they never were coded entirely, so now we are doing it | 17:47 |
th1a | Just muddling through turning the bare development views into user friendly views. | 17:47 |
th1a | OK. I think I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. | 17:48 |
aelkner | yes, it's a back and forth process with you acting as customer, so we're finally getting to it | 17:48 |
aelkner | but we're getting close, i agree | 17:48 |
th1a | It would be really helpful to wrap this stuff up this week. | 17:48 |
aelkner | i'm confident we can, are you available wed to look it over again? | 17:48 |
aelkner | are we meeting at 930 before you head out? | 17:49 |
th1a | No. You and I can meet Tuesday. | 17:49 |
th1a | No meeting Wednesday. | 17:49 |
th1a | Or I can do Thurs. morning. | 17:49 |
th1a | Well, let's assume at least a short Thursday meeting for everyone, regular time. | 17:50 |
aelkner | let's do thursday moring | 17:50 |
th1a | That ok yvl, replaceafill? | 17:50 |
aelkner | ok | 17:50 |
replaceafill | th1a, sure | 17:50 |
yvl | ok | 17:50 |
th1a | OK. Thanks aelkner. | 17:51 |
th1a | replaceafill? | 17:51 |
replaceafill | ok | 17:51 |
replaceafill | last week i worked on several things requested by dwelsh | 17:51 |
replaceafill | basically, added a new view for assigning skillsets to courses | 17:52 |
replaceafill | i also made some changes to core, adding filters for sections in the course view | 17:52 |
replaceafill | i've pushed all my cando changes to "trunk" | 17:53 |
replaceafill | and i have a few more to work on for today | 17:53 |
replaceafill | we scheduled a meeting with dwelsh tomorrow at 1 pm | 17:53 |
replaceafill | he's going to demo what we have to glenda lewis on wednesday | 17:54 |
replaceafill | (i think) | 17:54 |
replaceafill | th1a, when can we discuss: | 17:54 |
replaceafill | 1. sorting skillsets algorithm | 17:54 |
replaceafill | 2. color coding | 17:54 |
replaceafill | ? | 17:54 |
th1a | What's the question about 1? | 17:55 |
replaceafill | we need to come up with it? | 17:55 |
replaceafill | or are we "counting the skillsets" to decide? | 17:56 |
replaceafill | i remember we talked about it, but i don't have anything in my notes | 17:56 |
th1a | Sorting them into courses? | 17:57 |
th1a | OK: | 17:57 |
th1a | If there is 1 parent node, list them under that one. | 17:57 |
th1a | Otherwise, | 17:57 |
th1a | go through all the skillsets, count all the parents, pick the one that comes up most frequently as the "core" one. | 17:58 |
th1a | Sort that one first, btw. | 17:58 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 17:59 |
th1a | And then for ones that have multiples, just say something like "English 9 and 3 others" | 17:59 |
th1a | Or maybe just list a set number of labels until you run out of space. | 17:59 |
th1a | EC-101, AF-92, jd-21, 2341, and 2 others. | 18:00 |
th1a | You just need to be a little more creative than usual. | 18:00 |
replaceafill | we won't be able to test this with dwelsh data, right? | 18:00 |
th1a | Just DON'T pick the first one and forget about it. | 18:00 |
replaceafill | kk | 18:00 |
th1a | Welsh only cares about it looking right to him. | 18:00 |
replaceafill | i mean, i have to create a new sample data for this | 18:01 |
replaceafill | with multiple parents nodes | 18:01 |
th1a | Make sure you sort the courses by the number of times they come up. | 18:01 |
th1a | That'll look right to him. | 18:01 |
replaceafill | ok | 18:01 |
th1a | Yes, you'll need some new data for testing. | 18:02 |
replaceafill | got it | 18:02 |
th1a | When you show it to him, you don't need to talk about multiple parents at all. | 18:02 |
th1a | Act like it doesn't exist. | 18:02 |
replaceafill | right | 18:02 |
replaceafill | :) | 18:02 |
th1a | Please. ;-) | 18:02 |
th1a | Don't trigger that 5 minute subroutine. | 18:02 |
replaceafill | :)) | 18:02 |
replaceafill | what about colors? | 18:03 |
th1a | Try just making the background header for the non-required skills blue. | 18:04 |
th1a | Also, I couldn't tell what welsh was referring to in his email. | 18:04 |
replaceafill | i agree with his first point | 18:04 |
replaceafill | "justify the competency description" | 18:04 |
replaceafill | instead of centering it | 18:04 |
th1a | If you know what he is talking about it, feel free to try it. | 18:04 |
replaceafill | but i haven't see it | 18:04 |
replaceafill | ah ok :) | 18:05 |
replaceafill | you will be here tomorrow morning, right? | 18:05 |
replaceafill | so i can show you what i have | 18:05 |
replaceafill | before the meeting | 18:05 |
th1a | yes | 18:05 |
replaceafill | ok | 18:05 |
replaceafill | i have a good list of things to deliver for wednesday | 18:05 |
replaceafill | so i'll work on that | 18:05 |
th1a | Also, the whole "the color of the box showing the title of the skill needs to change based on type" thing is just a weird CanDo affectation. | 18:06 |
th1a | Just make it one color. | 18:06 |
replaceafill | ok | 18:06 |
replaceafill | i think that's it from me | 18:07 |
th1a | OK. Thanks replaceafill. Talk to you tomorrow. | 18:07 |
th1a | All right. Thanks guys. | 18:08 |
th1a | We've got to power through these lingering issues... | 18:08 |
th1a | Try to keep the energy level up. | 18:08 |
th1a | Stay cool. | 18:08 |
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replaceafill | thanks everybody | 18:09 |
aelkner | thanks guys, cya thursday | 18:09 |
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