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| th1a | hi replaceafill, menesis. | 16:30 |
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| th1a | yvl is sick. | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:30 |
| menesis | hi | 16:31 |
| th1a | Don't know where aelkner is... | 16:32 |
| th1a | Summertime... | 16:32 |
| th1a | I'm driving up to Maine this afternoon. I'll be at FOSSED (nee NELS) Tue/Wed. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | th1a, is that like a "big" event? | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | i mean | 16:33 |
| th1a | Not at all. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | are there a lot of people involved in open source + edu? | 16:33 |
| th1a | It is a small grassroots New England thing. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:33 |
| th1a | Pretty much everyone there is involved in open source and education though, yes. | 16:34 |
| th1a | So it is focused. | 16:34 |
| th1a | So, replaceafill, there's one thing that I should have made more clear a while ago. | 16:35 |
| th1a | Or more recently for that matter... | 16:35 |
| th1a | We're really deprecating the flourish green + add forms. | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | :| | 16:36 |
| th1a | Maybe we'll update some of the current ones to ajax, but we certainly shouldn't be making new ones. | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:36 |
| th1a | Since they are, you know, terrible. | 16:36 |
| th1a | (and my idea, ofc) | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | are you thinking popup forms? | 16:36 |
| th1a | Well, like the CL people said, checkboxes and an add button work fine. | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | lol!!! | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | i got it now | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | you mean the (+) buttons | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | right? | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | those forms | 16:37 |
| th1a | Basically, either checkboxes plus add, or fully ajaxed (+) buttons. | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | you're not talking about the "flourish green" skin :D | 16:38 |
| th1a | No. | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i understood "we're changing colors to flourish" and getting rid of "the add forms" | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | but i understand now | 16:38 |
| th1a | OK. ;-) | 16:38 |
| th1a | So perhaps you could change those forms in CanDo. | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | all of them? | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | i mean | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | even section enrollment, etc | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | or just the skills part | 16:39 |
| th1a | Just the skills part for now. | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:40 |
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| th1a | Mainly I don't want to feel like we're digging a deeper hole right now. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | one thing that confuses me about checkboxes | 16:40 |
| aelkner | hey guys | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | is checkboxes + batch | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | hey aelkner | 16:40 |
| th1a | hi aelkner. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | i mean, | 16:40 |
| aelkner | having connectivity issues here at jeff's school | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | if you get 60 results | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | and 3 batched pages (1-25, 26-50, 50-...) | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | if we have a "Select all" checkbox at the top | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | does that select only "visible" or all the results | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | that's what i like about the "Select all displayed" button | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | but maybe it's just me :) | 16:42 |
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| th1a | You can still have a select all displayed button. | 16:43 |
| th1a | You need one really. | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | right | 16:43 |
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| th1a | OK, so what else is up replaceafill? | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | i diagnosed the locations problem in the sections view | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | for some context: when you add a resource as a location for a section | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | the teacher cannot see the section view anymore | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | the problem is not the permission itself | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | we use 'schooltool.view' for resource titles | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | (the attribute of the problem) | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | the problem is that only "leaders" can see it | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | resources have leaders or responsible parties | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | and the security settings affect them | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | it's like teachers + their sections | 16:46 |
| th1a | OK, that's just overly restrictive, of course. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | should we get rid of the security setting? | 16:47 |
| th1a | Just let anyone logged into the system see the titles of resources. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | i also started working on search for the projects gradebook | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | i mean, search for adding skills to it | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | th1a, we're still implementing your idea about different grades for skills and projects gradebooks | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | correct? | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | even if it's the same skill | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | one gradebook won't affect the other | 16:49 |
| th1a | It is one way. | 16:49 |
| th1a | The project grades don't get overwritten by the skills grades. | 16:49 |
| th1a | But the skills grades are overwritten by the project grades. | 16:50 |
| th1a | overwritten visually. | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | visually? | 16:50 |
| th1a | What you see with your eyes. | 16:51 |
| th1a | It is not a data model issue. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | so we add logic to the skills gradebook to check in the projects first | 16:52 |
| th1a | If that's how you want to implement it. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | do we have to use history for this? | 16:52 |
| th1a | Does this make sense to you conceptually? | 16:52 |
| th1a | Do you understand the reason? | 16:52 |
| th1a | The skills gradebook is canonical overall for the student. | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | i thought they were going to be completely independent of each other | 16:53 |
| th1a | The project gradebook is just for the project. | 16:53 |
| th1a | If you learn something two years later, it doesn't change the evaluation of the project. | 16:53 |
| th1a | (from two years ago) | 16:53 |
| th1a | The skills gradebook is the sum total of everything. | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | should dates of the scores affect this logic? | 16:54 |
| th1a | No. | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | (that's what i think when you mention the 2 years part) | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:54 |
| th1a | (it could, but we're not there in general) | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | kk | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | well, i start with "different skills in the project" for now :) | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | and we continue from there | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | also, i have in my notes the accordion change to skillsets | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | to display the skills without visiting the skill set | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | at least in course skill sets | 16:55 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:56 |
| th1a | Or that could be a tree maybe. | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | it's just for displaying right? | 16:56 |
| th1a | Simpler. | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:56 |
| th1a | Probably should be. | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | ok, i think i can have that today | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | and last | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner's last bug: | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/1022117 | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | latest bug* | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | i think he's just confused as i said in my comment | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | ok, i think that's it from me | 16:57 |
| th1a | I think he's confused. ;-) | 16:57 |
| th1a | OK, thanks replaceafill. | 16:57 |
| th1a | aelkner? | 16:58 |
| aelkner | sorry th1a , struggling with the lab here, having to use putty to get to freenode | 16:59 |
| aelkner | so i created the tertiary view and updated the Nodes object to have label | 17:00 |
| aelkner | changed the columns in the table to label, title, layers | 17:00 |
| aelkner | here's the link: | 17:00 |
| aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/manage | 17:00 |
| aelkner | the Customize link is now 'Skills' | 17:01 |
| aelkner | i struglled with tests locking up, and replaceafill helped me see that my test was computationally too complex | 17:02 |
| aelkner | so now i know not to do query_all inside a query_all loop\ | 17:02 |
| aelkner | thanks again for that replaceafill | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | i think query_all inside query_all is good when for positive checks | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | not so good when the selector is not present | 17:03 |
| th1a | So aelkner's nodes search should have the layer selection stuff that replaceafill just did too. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | you mean a layer dropdown | 17:04 |
| th1a | The checkboxes. | 17:04 |
| aelkner | ok, i'll look at what he did there | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i think it's safe to merge my changes for dwelsh to trunk, right? | 17:05 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | it all seems "standard" now | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:05 |
| aelkner | i haven't limited the label to five characters yet in the Node object becuase i had trouble figuring it out | 17:05 |
| aelkner | then it occured to me that i could probably set the size attribute of the widget in updateWidgets | 17:05 |
| aelkner | so i'll try that next | 17:06 |
| aelkner | also, i added the label column to the node import, but it doesn't limit to five chars either yet | 17:06 |
| aelkner | th1a: what should i do if the label is > 5 chars in the xls file, error or auto-truncate and forgive? | 17:07 |
| th1a | error | 17:08 |
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| aelkner | ok, will do | 17:08 |
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| aelkner | if i get the size thing working in the input widget, there will be no need for an error there | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, why don't you set the length of the TextLine()? | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | although those messages look kind of creepy in the validation error | 17:10 |
| aelkner | maxlength? | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | "Too short" :S | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | yes | 17:10 |
| aelkner | ok, i'll try that, thanks | 17:10 |
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| aelkner | other task on my list include: | 17:11 |
| aelkner | change Skills serach to look at all skill set attributes | 17:12 |
| aelkner | change description fields to be HTMLField type to cause the ckeditor widget to render | 17:12 |
| aelkner | change node view to have accordion, that one you suggested not taking more than a couple hours before showing you what i got | 17:13 |
| aelkner | when are we meeting next? | 17:14 |
| th1a | Wednesday morning. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | i saw you are going to FOSSED | 17:14 |
| th1a | Regular time. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Yeah, but we can still meet. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | ah, ok | 17:15 |
| aelkner | so i'll prepare the accordion for you to look at by then | 17:15 |
| th1a | Let's pause for a second and consider tree vs. accordion here. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | ok, go ahead | 17:15 |
| th1a | I guess the thing is an accordion makes more sense if you're only going down one level and you need to show a description. | 17:16 |
| th1a | So I guess accordions are better in these cases, replaceafill? | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | i agree | 17:16 |
| th1a | OK. That's settled. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | that applies to the course skills view | 17:16 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:17 |
| mattva01 | I apologize for distracting replaceafill :p | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | mattva01, np | 17:18 |
| * replaceafill is helping mattva01 to set jelkner's instance | 17:18 | |
| aelkner | yeah, you delivered a broken egg, the shame :) | 17:18 |
| mattva01 | no he didn't | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | nope ;) | 17:18 |
| th1a | OK, I guess we're done here. | 17:18 |
| th1a | Thanks guys. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | ah, never mind, i was just gong on the first issue | 17:19 |
| aelkner | ok, thanks guys | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:19 |
| th1a | See you Wednesday. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | good luck at FOSSED | 17:19 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:19 | |
| th1a | Oh, I have nothing pressing to do at FOSSED. Catching up on networking. | 17:19 |
| th1a | Feeling out the competency tracking market a little maybe. ;-) | 17:19 |
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