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| sirex | yvl, got this error: http://dpaste.com/736711/ | 12:34 |
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| sirex | I use celery, which requires python-dateutil>=1.5.0,<2.0.0 and it seems, that a package from schooltool requires python-dateutil==1.4.1 | 12:35 |
| sirex | Maybe you have an idea how this can be solved? | 12:36 |
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| th1a | yvl: ayt? | 17:59 |
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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 19:11 |
| * replaceafill hasn't had connection until now :( | 19:11 | |
| th1a | Ah. | 19:14 |
| th1a | np. | 19:14 |
| th1a | Tuesdays are my day to start late and work in the evening anyhow. | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:15 |
| th1a | I've found two other guys to skate with me Tuesday morning. ;-) | 19:15 |
| th1a | And the weather was pretty much perfect today aside from a little wind, and all the kids are in school... | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | perfect time to skate ;) | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | here is really really really windy | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | that's why i lost the connection | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | (i think) | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | i can hear the wind: wuuuuuuuuuu | 19:17 |
| th1a | Ah. | 19:17 |
| th1a | OK, so anyhow, we need to put together a quick CanDo demo. | 19:18 |
| th1a | Basically Joe Ucha has some new boating sites starting, and we're going to want to get them up and running on the new CanDo rather than the old. | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | ah | 19:19 |
| th1a | So David sent me his list of math skills, and aelkner and I were working on tweaking the spreadsheet to fit the new import formula. | 19:19 |
| th1a | After an overly long discussion yesterday... | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | i was lurking ;) | 19:20 |
| th1a | So remind me... at this point we can just do project based CanDo gradebooks, right? | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | i was expecting to start the skill based one on thursday | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | it should be ready by monday i guess | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | i don't see much difference | 19:21 |
| th1a | "skill based" meaning based on the organization of the skills in the document? | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:22 |
| th1a | OK, step two (after aelkner gets the standards in) I guess will be you making up the project structure so they can do their demo. | 19:23 |
| th1a | In fact, they have projects defined in the spreadsheet, so you can create real projects. | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | do you have the spreadsheet to see it? | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | i mean, so i can see it :) | 19:23 |
| th1a | OK, forwarded. | 19:24 |
| th1a | We're ONLY interested in the math skills sheet. | 19:24 |
| * replaceafill checks | 19:24 | |
| replaceafill | i saw yesterday's conversation ;) | 19:24 |
| th1a | That is, the Hands On Math Exercises are basically projects. | 19:26 |
| th1a | Some of them don't repeat much but definitely, say, HE-PP-5 would be a good example. | 19:26 |
| th1a | Of a project addressing multiple math skills. | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | he-pp-5 is the magic rule exercise, correct? | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | ruler* | 19:32 |
| th1a | I'm not even sure. | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | and involves skill 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.. 4.1.. | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | Exercises-General sheet: | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | line 9 | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | row 9 :/ | 19:33 |
| th1a | Ah, I see. | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | HE-MC-2 might be a better example | 19:43 |
| th1a | Sure. Or both. | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | it has more skills | 19:43 |
| th1a | Several would be good. | 19:43 |
| th1a | So I guess aelkner's branch (trunk, whatever) doesn't have the CanDo gradebook. Or maybe he just hasn't looked for it, or something. | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | so, should i create projects with their associated skills? | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | no | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | i haven't integrated my stuff yet | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of doing that early next week | 19:44 |
| th1a | Let's chat about it in 1 hour and 15 minutes with aelkner. | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 19:44 |
| th1a | I'm supposed to talk to him at 2:00. | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | cool, i'll be here | 19:44 |
| * th1a goes to pick up Vivian. | 19:48 | |
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| aelkner | replaceafill, hey | 20:53 |
| replaceafill | hey aelkner | 20:53 |
| aelkner | i have the sample math skills set up on my demo server: | 20:53 |
| aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/skills | 20:53 |
| aelkner | are the skill titles the kind of length you anticipated in your gradebook design? | 20:54 |
| th1a | You can't assume titles are short. | 20:55 |
| aelkner | hey th1a | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, yes | 20:56 |
| th1a | hi aelkner. | 20:56 |
| aelkner | so, as ou can see, i have the sample skills loaded | 20:56 |
| aelkner | there was nothing in their data to indicate required or not (that i could see) | 20:56 |
| aelkner | obviously, no labels or external ids | 20:57 |
| aelkner | btw, the one set of ids they had seemed to be like SOLs, does that sound right? | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | i think labels would need to be 1.1, 1.2, .... | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | the local_id column in the Math Skills sheet | 20:58 |
| th1a | Yeah... probably. | 20:58 |
| aelkner | yes | 20:58 |
| aelkner | i can change that real quick, one sec | 20:59 |
| aelkner | labels fixed | 21:00 |
| aelkner | ok, now what? | 21:01 |
| aelkner | oh, what about the skillset labels, same thing? | 21:02 |
| aelkner | the titles are supposed to appear as tabs, right, shat are the labels for? | 21:03 |
| th1a | That probably makes sense. | 21:03 |
| aelkner | oops :) | 21:03 |
| th1a | It just depends on how long the titles are. | 21:03 |
| th1a | Also in real life people can make up whatever labels work for them. | 21:03 |
| aelkner | so they can be blank for now | 21:04 |
| th1a | I don't think the skillset labels will be used at all in this example. | 21:07 |
| th1a | So we need to hand this process off from aelkner to replaceafill. | 21:14 |
| replaceafill | kk | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, could you please share the XLS you used to import the skills? | 21:15 |
| aelkner | i'll email it to you | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 21:15 |
| aelkner | you'll have the code you need in trunk | 21:16 |
| replaceafill | right | 21:16 |
| aelkner | file sent | 21:17 |
| replaceafill | thanks aelkner | 21:17 |
| aelkner | could you send me a link to the gradebook when you have it all loaded? | 21:19 |
| replaceafill | sure | 21:19 |
| replaceafill | th1a, question | 21:19 |
| replaceafill | here's where i'm still confused, sorry | 21:19 |
| th1a | Yes? | 21:19 |
| replaceafill | user will load this xls | 21:19 |
| replaceafill | user will go to the "projects" gradebook | 21:20 |
| th1a | Are we talking about this demo or the end state. | 21:20 |
| th1a | ? | 21:20 |
| replaceafill | this demo | 21:20 |
| replaceafill | well, actually, no | 21:20 |
| replaceafill | the end state :) | 21:20 |
| replaceafill | what confuses me is that in a recent meeting i heard that the user will be able to create "custom" skills inside the projects | 21:21 |
| replaceafill | maybe i got it wrong | 21:21 |
| replaceafill | i was expecting the user would "select" from the already imported tree of skills | 21:21 |
| replaceafill | the "old" cando way | 21:21 |
| replaceafill | for example, i would create a project "Magic Ruler" | 21:22 |
| replaceafill | then click Add: Skill | 21:22 |
| replaceafill | and instead of filling the skill data again, he would select from the tree | 21:22 |
| replaceafill | 2.1, 2.2, etc | 21:23 |
| th1a | Sorry. Julia took a poop. | 21:24 |
| replaceafill | :D | 21:24 |
| replaceafill | np | 21:24 |
| th1a | Teachers adding their own skills is probably not a first pass feature. | 21:24 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, so for Joe's demo, we need a course, a section, instructor, a few students | 21:32 |
| th1a | Oh, yes. I'd say 15 or so students. | 21:32 |
| replaceafill | ok | 21:32 |
| replaceafill | sample data students are ok, right? | 21:33 |
| replaceafill | i mean, from the sample data xls | 21:33 |
| * replaceafill notice we start having several sample data xls files :D | 21:33 | |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:33 |
| replaceafill | th1a, maybe i should start the skills gradebook now and use it for this demo | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | i mean, associate the skills to the section and have them displayed in the gradebook | 21:34 |
| th1a | Either way. | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | so we see the all the parts working together | 21:35 |
| th1a | They'd like to have something to look at tomorrow afternoon though... | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | ah | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | i'll go with the current projects gradebook then | 21:35 |
| th1a | Plus, they'll probably prefer using the project based approach anyhow. | 21:35 |
| th1a | For entry, at least. | 21:36 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, current projects gradebook: | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/20112012/sections/26/projects/Project/gradebook | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | teacher007 | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | click Add: Skill | 21:46 |
| replaceafill | *that* is the source of my confusion :( | 21:46 |
| th1a | Well... feel free to take it out. | 21:46 |
| th1a | DId someone ask you to put it there? ;-) | 21:47 |
| th1a | We're going to have to try to make that skill title float somewhere... | 21:48 |
| th1a | (also, that box should say title rather than description, right? | 21:48 |
| th1a | ) | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | ah yes | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | ok | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | i take out Add: Skill | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | so when the teacher gets to the projects gradebook, he sees the projects already created? | 21:49 |
| th1a | At this point projects aren't global. | 21:49 |
| replaceafill | *that* sounds like the skills gradebook to me | 21:49 |
| replaceafill | correct | 21:49 |
| th1a | Teachers can create projects. | 21:49 |
| th1a | They should also be able to share them eventually. | 21:50 |
| replaceafill | but how do they "add" skills to the project? | 21:50 |
| replaceafill | and i really apologize if this seems trivial to you | 21:50 |
| th1a | From the existing skills? | 21:50 |
| th1a | No. | 21:50 |
| replaceafill | selecting! right? | 21:50 |
| replaceafill | not creating | 21:50 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:50 |
| th1a | Projects are going to pretty quickly spread though. | 21:51 |
| th1a | If Joe has a predefined set of projects (that is, he does) | 21:51 |
| th1a | then those should automatically be associated with his standard courses. | 21:51 |
| th1a | So that will be coming soon. | 21:51 |
| replaceafill | that's the skills gradebook to me | 21:51 |
| th1a | It is just different organization. | 21:52 |
| th1a | One is organized by the structure of the discipline. | 21:52 |
| replaceafill | skills gradebook -> projects automatically created FROM the skills associated to the course/section | 21:52 |
| th1a | One by the structure of the curriculum. | 21:52 |
| replaceafill | sorry not projects, i meant skillsets | 21:52 |
| th1a | Look at it this way: | 21:52 |
| th1a | when teachers are entering grades, they want the project view. | 21:53 |
| th1a | They'll be scoring a cross-section of math standards for each kid for that project. | 21:53 |
| th1a | At the end of the quarter, they'll be looking at the skillset view: Which fraction skills did this kid pass? | 21:53 |
| replaceafill | thanks! that really helps | 21:55 |
| replaceafill | so, teachers will select the skills for their projects from the ones associated here: http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2011-2012/courses/english_a | 21:55 |
| replaceafill | (that's just an example btw) | 21:55 |
| replaceafill | click Skills | 21:55 |
| replaceafill | there you assing the Skill Sets to use for that course | 21:56 |
| replaceafill | the Done button in the Skill Set view should be smarter | 21:56 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:58 |
| th1a | Well, initially at least. | 21:58 |
| th1a | Eventually everyone will want the option to do everything. | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | yes | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | right | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | like using skills from a non-related course into their own | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | ok, i think i can start with this to have something for tomorrow's meeting | 21:59 |
| th1a | OK. Cool. | 22:00 |
| th1a | aelkner, I think your phase of the operation is successfully completed. | 22:00 |
| aelkner | cool, we have skills assigned to courses | 22:01 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, can they already be graded then? | 22:01 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, that's what i'm going to do now | 22:01 |
| aelkner | th1a, for the demo, at least | 22:02 |
| th1a | Yes. | 22:02 |
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| aelkner | i can see that i need to add a course skills importer | 22:03 |
| th1a | Oh... yes. | 22:04 |
| th1a | How did that work before? | 22:04 |
| replaceafill | tww i think | 22:04 |
| replaceafill | they didn't have importers for assign skills to courses/sections afaik | 22:05 |
| th1a | Yes... well, I wouldn't necessarily rush to do it immediately. | 22:05 |
| aelkner | ah, ok, right | 22:06 |
| th1a | We've got a lot of parts moving right now. | 22:07 |
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