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| th1a | hi replaceafill, aelkner. | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning | 16:30 |
| th1a | ...oh probably a Lithuanian holiday. | 16:30 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:30 |
| th1a | OK, short meeting then. | 16:32 |
| th1a | I want to go over these journal bugs that were reported over the weekend after updates. | 16:32 |
| th1a | aelkner? | 16:32 |
| aelkner | ok, so i added timetable support to the FlatSectionsTable sheet | 16:33 |
| aelkner | then i added selenium support to the export package | 16:33 |
| aelkner | this allowed me to add tests for the timetabling which i couldn't do in the old skin | 16:34 |
| aelkner | then i added the course_id, government_id and credits columns to the course import/export | 16:35 |
| aelkner | i'd like to add a couple of test files for errors, but that shouldn't take more than half a day | 16:36 |
| aelkner | also, i forget what we decided; do we want to add the FlatSectionsTable sheet to the export? | 16:37 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:37 |
| th1a | (and remove the old sections export) | 16:37 |
| aelkner | ok, great | 16:37 |
| th1a | (leave the old import routine for now though for backwards compatibility) | 16:37 |
| aelkner | that would be another half day, so i only need another day | 16:38 |
| aelkner | the old import will stay supported, but the export will not deliver it, agreed | 16:38 |
| aelkner | so, after that, what would you like me to move on to? | 16:39 |
| th1a | Probably some of these journal bugs. | 16:39 |
| th1a | We need to look at them though. | 16:39 |
| th1a | Basically there's a bunch of little paper cuts in the journal that I've been waiting for people to prioritize by complaining about. | 16:40 |
| th1a | But they are a high priority if they're quick. | 16:40 |
| th1a | Thanks aelkner. | 16:40 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/20112012/sections/13/projects/Preparing%20for%20a%20Career%20in%20Auto%20Body%20Repair/gradebook | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | teacher007 | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | th1a, hover the optional skills (the black ones) | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | i set a different background for the tooltip | 16:41 |
| th1a | I think a different background for the grid is more important, but I guess it helps. | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | also, i added the skill "local" id to the tooltips | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | like "001: bla bla bla" | 16:42 |
| th1a | No reason not to do both. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Yeah. Good. | 16:42 |
| aelkner | i wonder: | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | i started playing with the scrollto plugin to make the third nav scrollable, haven't been able to do it yet | 16:42 |
| aelkner | will they miss the way it works for them now? | 16:42 |
| th1a | Meaning? | 16:43 |
| aelkner | namely, the tootip remains in the div above even as they move through the cells | 16:43 |
| th1a | I think these tooltips are better than the stationary box. | 16:43 |
| th1a | Oh... | 16:43 |
| th1a | except I remember now.. | 16:43 |
| th1a | You might want to see the full text while you're doing the scoring? | 16:43 |
| aelkner | i seem to remember David saying he wanted that | 16:44 |
| th1a | I couldn't remember why, but now I do. :-( | 16:44 |
| aelkner | well, when you get used to something... | 16:44 |
| aelkner | it's not necessarily correct, just the user story from the one user | 16:45 |
| th1a | Well, I see the advantage. | 16:45 |
| th1a | Always having a reminder of what you're doing. | 16:45 |
| aelkner | yes, put that up against the wasted real estate | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | so we'd need to put the "tooltip" somewhere and make it fixed? | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | and change it either when they hover the skill label or when they click or move through the cells | 16:46 |
| th1a | I was thinking about a Mac style drop-down overlay. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | :| | 16:47 |
| * replaceafill needs to see that :) | 16:47 | |
| * th1a is googling... | 16:47 | |
| th1a | hrm... | 16:49 |
| th1a | well, like this http://www.automatedworkflows.com/wp-content/uploads/open_dialog_nav2.png | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | th1a, you mean a little transparent? | 16:51 |
| aelkner | that's a popup | 16:51 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:51 |
| aelkner | doesn't that steal the focus? | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | th1a, but my question is where to put it? | 16:52 |
| th1a | But there's an overlay that drops out of the frame. | 16:52 |
| th1a | Well... I'm just brainstorming. Perhaps it could cover part of the green bar and then disappear if you mouse up there. | 16:52 |
| th1a | Or maybe we should just be thinking about making the popups persist more. | 16:53 |
| th1a | Hovering up above the grid area so you can still use the gradebook. | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | can we use the current tooltip positions and just change them as the user moves through the cells? | 16:54 |
| th1a | Probably we should try that first. ;-) | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | :) | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | kk, i'll work on that and ping you to see it | 16:55 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | on the weekend i debugged this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.gradebook/+bug/975687 | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | apparently users use workarounds :D | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | even if you say they are "dirty" ;) | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | i wasn't able to reproduce the journal selector bug | 16:56 |
| th1a | Well, let's go over these in order. | 16:56 |
| th1a | 975687 is caused by what? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | it seems like zope.traversing needs to be updated | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | the user is using lucid | 16:58 |
| th1a | OK. Lucid is pretty consistently fucking us up. | 16:58 |
| th1a | We'll need to get people onto Precise. | 16:58 |
| th1a | So this is a gediminas bug? | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | imo | 16:59 |
| th1a | OK, looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/976757 | 16:59 |
| aelkner | yes, i looked at that one this weekend | 17:00 |
| aelkner | i had some thoughts | 17:00 |
| th1a | We should probably do that this week. | 17:00 |
| th1a | Slip it in the release. | 17:00 |
| aelkner | it definitely seems like a good idea to export report card data to xls or csv | 17:01 |
| aelkner | so that we don't have to anticipate how everyone wants to present it in a pdf | 17:01 |
| th1a | Yes. OK, let's stick a pin in that and figure we're going to work on it aelkner. | 17:01 |
| th1a | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/976788 | 17:02 |
| th1a | (I haven't actually looked at some of these over the weekend) | 17:02 |
| th1a | OK this one I think needs a little more discussion with the user. She may really just want day attendance, which menesis is now doing for the Philippines. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | these are interesting ideas that the user is bringing up | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK, and the other one is a known PDF issue I can respond to. | 17:04 |
| aelkner | obviously, treat consucutive periods as one is not enough for them | 17:04 |
| th1a | I don't think they so much want to track non-consecutive periods as just have whole day attendance. | 17:04 |
| aelkner | it would be like having just one column per day | 17:05 |
| aelkner | like just presenting the first meeting of the day and hiding the others | 17:06 |
| aelkner | we save the scores by meeting, so we would have to keep that the same | 17:06 |
| aelkner | and if we just present the one meeting, we could support that | 17:06 |
| th1a | So basically, we're working on that, but it will be a fall feature (hopefully) not a quickie. | 17:07 |
| th1a | I guess that's that. | 17:08 |
| th1a | I have a meeting on Thursday with Helen from the Shuttleworth Foundation. We need to start figuring out how we're managing the whole three year transition. | 17:09 |
| th1a | So I'm going to be doing a lot of planning along those lines this week. | 17:10 |
| th1a | Also I need to write some plans for Mark (following that meeting). | 17:11 |
| th1a | Mark's also going to do a post on SchoolTool on his blog this month, so we need to make sure we've got our ducks in a row for that. | 17:11 |
| th1a | Make sure the website is up, that kind of thing. ;-) | 17:11 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:13 |
| th1a | I guess that's it. | 17:13 |
| th1a | Well, we can talk a bit about the report card export. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | sure | 17:14 |
| th1a | What if we just export report sheets? | 17:14 |
| th1a | Does that cover it? | 17:14 |
| th1a | And an attendance spreadsheet? | 17:14 |
| aelkner | let's see | 17:15 |
| aelkner | the report card has a grid and an outline | 17:15 |
| aelkner | the student detail report has two grids, on for grades, one for attendence | 17:16 |
| th1a | Well, yes. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | the first grid on both reports has just attendance summary if they layout that column | 17:16 |
| th1a | But all the data is in the report sheets, correct? | 17:16 |
| aelkner | besides the attendance data, yes | 17:17 |
| th1a | So why don't we just give them that? | 17:17 |
| th1a | Let them process the spreadsheets with whatever they've got. | 17:17 |
| aelkner | precisely | 17:17 |
| aelkner | why don't i look over the details in the next couple of days and we can discuss more on wednesday | 17:18 |
| aelkner | but i think we are already on the same page | 17:18 |
| th1a | It should be straightforward. | 17:18 |
| aelkner | definitely | 17:19 |
| aelkner | for the ui, where would the request for this go? | 17:19 |
| th1a | Under reports... by term I guess. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | i guess it's just another report configured along side the report card and student detail | 17:20 |
| th1a | Report sheets go by term. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | requestable by person or group | 17:20 |
| th1a | We can assume the user is processing these, so they can combine term sheets if they want. | 17:21 |
| aelkner | we would want to use the layout as we do with the pdf reports, right? | 17:21 |
| aelkner | the layout is how they choose which sheets are reported | 17:21 |
| th1a | We should keep our side of this as simple as possible. | 17:21 |
| aelkner | or we could ignore the layouts and just deliver all report sheet data | 17:21 |
| th1a | It should just be go to term and/or group and pick a report sheet to export. | 17:22 |
| th1a | Yes, the layout is irrelevant. | 17:22 |
| aelkner | i don't think we should do it by report sheet, they usually have more than one | 17:22 |
| aelkner | and they probably want all to ust be exported | 17:23 |
| aelkner | they can pull out what they want after that, makes sense? | 17:23 |
| th1a | I guess each one is just a worksheet in the excel doc, so yes, you might as well get all. | 17:24 |
| aelkner | or is the student the sheet | 17:25 |
| aelkner | the way the report card and student detail pdfs are delivered are by student | 17:26 |
| aelkner | requested by student or group | 17:26 |
| th1a | Oh, wait. | 17:26 |
| aelkner | each page of those reports is for one student, so each sheet could also be so | 17:26 |
| th1a | No... it has to be a sheet per section doesn't it? | 17:26 |
| th1a | Hm... | 17:26 |
| th1a | Or, that is probably harder to process | 17:27 |
| th1a | I'll ask. | 17:27 |
| aelkner | good idea, they may already have specific ideas | 17:28 |
| th1a | All righty then. | 17:28 |
| aelkner | i'll look at the two pdfs in the meantime for ideas | 17:28 |
| th1a | So theoretically you just need one more day to finish the import/export? What did you decide? | 17:29 |
| aelkner | how do you mean? | 17:29 |
| th1a | 45 minutes ago... I could scroll up... | 17:31 |
| aelkner | :) | 17:31 |
| aelkner | for the one day, that i would add the export of the new sections sheet | 17:31 |
| aelkner | get rid of the old export of sections, but keep the import | 17:32 |
| th1a | So you'll be ready to start something new tomorrow? | 17:32 |
| aelkner | also, i will write some quick error tests | 17:32 |
| aelkner | yes | 17:32 |
| th1a | When does your workday start tomorrow? | 17:33 |
| aelkner | i can meet you late in the morning, say 11:00, or we could meet around 2:00? | 17:33 |
| th1a | 2:00 | 17:34 |
| th1a | OK, talk to you then. | 17:34 |
| aelkner | ok, and i'll have looked over the pdfs by then | 17:34 |
| th1a | Thanks guys. | 17:34 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:34 | |
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| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 19:40 |
| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/20112012/sections/13/projects/Preparing%20for%20a%20Career%20in%20Auto%20Body%20Repair/gradebook | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | teacher007 | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | reload | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | hover the grade cells | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | it should show the tooltips as you move | 19:46 |
| th1a | I think the box shouldn't flicker though. | 19:46 |
| th1a | Or move. | 19:46 |
| th1a | Just try centering it above the grid. | 19:46 |
| th1a | At a set size. | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | at a set size? | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | sorry, didn't get that last part | 19:47 |
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| th1a | Not changing size. | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | ah, got it | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | on the third nav area? | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | or the skill/points area? | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | or the green navigation area!?!!? :D | 19:48 |
| th1a | Above the tabs. | 19:50 |
| th1a | Let's just play with it a bit | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | kk | 19:50 |
| th1a | (above the tertiary, that is) | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll fix that, thanks th1a | 19:50 |
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