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Guest22726 | hi - have installed schooltool 2.0.2 from ppa. Does turning devmode on still produce a link to the api docs? (or have I misunderstood the doco?) | 11:45 |
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menesis | bunyipoz: no | 12:10 |
menesis | but the api docs were very old | 12:11 |
bunyipoz | oh okay | 12:11 |
bunyipoz | is there a way to get a list of current xml-rpc/http/rest api methods? | 12:12 |
menesis | there are no xml-rpc or rest methods, sorry | 12:14 |
bunyipoz | if i needed to pull information about students/courses out of school tool into an external program what ways would you recommend. | 12:17 |
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yvl | bunyipoz, at the moment, xls export would be your best option | 13:08 |
bunyipoz | ok - thanks | 13:08 |
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olegb | I dont have a "Gradebook" or "Journal" item in my topbar in schooltool - i have installed python-schooltool.* do I need to enable gradebook somewhere ? | 14:12 |
olegb | Ah, looking in as a teacher, I have the options ... sorry | 14:16 |
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replaceafill | th1a, can i go first on the meeting today? i'd like to give a demo of the gradebook work if possible | 15:29 |
replaceafill | to get feedback from all you | 15:29 |
th1a | hi replaceafill, aelkner, yvl, menesis. | 15:30 |
th1a | Go ahead replaceafill. | 15:30 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 15:30 |
aelkner | morning | 15:30 |
menesis | hi | 15:30 |
yvl | good morning guys | 15:30 |
replaceafill | ok | 15:30 |
replaceafill | can you please go to: http://69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/2012-spring/sections/art_a_2012-spring_teacher004_000/activities/Worksheet/gradebook | 15:31 |
replaceafill | and log in as teacher004 | 15:31 |
replaceafill | if you have visited the page before, reload to get the latest file resources | 15:31 |
replaceafill | a few things i've implemented: | 15:31 |
replaceafill | the <input type="text" .../> elements are now inserted until you click on a cell. this creates only the necessary inputs for sending to the server | 15:31 |
replaceafill | less transfer on saves | 15:32 |
replaceafill | if you don't modify the value of the cell, the input added on click is removed | 15:32 |
replaceafill | so it's not transfered either | 15:32 |
replaceafill | score validation is done on the server | 15:32 |
replaceafill | as you type into the cell | 15:32 |
th1a | Has the cell always turned yellow when you click on it? | 15:32 |
replaceafill | no | 15:33 |
replaceafill | that's one of my questions | 15:33 |
replaceafill | for later :) | 15:33 |
th1a | kk | 15:33 |
replaceafill | pending work | 15:33 |
replaceafill | the calculation of the widths to get the scroll in the grades part now resizes the cells | 15:33 |
replaceafill | so you should see full columns in the grades part at the start | 15:33 |
replaceafill | keyboard navigation is smarter, it detects non-scorable activities. you can modify a value of a cell and then press ESC to undo the change | 15:33 |
replaceafill | when you navigate with the cursor, you always get full columns displayed | 15:34 |
replaceafill | f you scroll to leave a column half-shown when you click on one of the cells, it shows the full column | 15:35 |
replaceafill | the popups/filldown dialog are now loaded in the background and they show spinners if you click on them and they haven't been loaded yet | 15:36 |
replaceafill | popups should always be shown inside the frame, not floating to the right of the margin of the page | 15:36 |
replaceafill | i have also detected some issues, related to scoresystems | 15:36 |
replaceafill | and i know there's a "unfuck the scoresystems" task | 15:37 |
replaceafill | but here they are: | 15:37 |
replaceafill | well, first | 15:37 |
replaceafill | comments on all of this ^ | 15:37 |
replaceafill | the Deployed sheet | 15:37 |
th1a | Looks good to me! | 15:37 |
replaceafill | has activities with all the scoresystems | 15:37 |
replaceafill | see the validation of the letter grade ones | 15:38 |
replaceafill | use B or B+ | 15:38 |
replaceafill | the current validation thinks they're extracredit :/ | 15:38 |
replaceafill | and in the 100 point activity, 0 is valid | 15:38 |
replaceafill | using the fromUnicode(score) method | 15:39 |
replaceafill | i think i'll set code to bypass these issues | 15:39 |
replaceafill | and file a bug with all my findings? | 15:39 |
th1a | Yes. | 15:40 |
replaceafill | cool | 15:40 |
replaceafill | th1a, pending work: | 15:40 |
th1a | Shouldn't 0 be a valid score there? | 15:40 |
replaceafill | hhmm | 15:40 |
replaceafill | it's 100 points | 15:40 |
replaceafill | 1-100 | 15:40 |
replaceafill | i think | 15:40 |
th1a | The lower bound is explicitly set? | 15:40 |
replaceafill | go to score a student in that worksheet | 15:41 |
replaceafill | and try to save the 0 | 15:41 |
replaceafill | you'll get a very informative "constraint not satisfied" | 15:41 |
menesis | "This page no longer responds to commands [Close pages] [Wait]" | 15:41 |
replaceafill | :| | 15:41 |
menesis | when logged in as admin | 15:41 |
replaceafill | ah! | 15:42 |
replaceafill | menesis, yes | 15:42 |
replaceafill | pending work | 15:42 |
menesis | after a few seconds the gradebook table is replaced by not found page | 15:42 |
replaceafill | i need to fix the view for the admin, and the subclassed mygrades view for sstudent | 15:42 |
replaceafill | ok, pending work: | 15:43 |
menesis | ok | 15:43 |
replaceafill | i need a color for the "current" cell, i've used yellow :) | 15:43 |
replaceafill | how do we represent better comment grades? (...) | 15:44 |
replaceafill | i was thinking of using a tooltip here | 15:44 |
replaceafill | to experiment the tooltip stuff we need for cando anyway | 15:44 |
replaceafill | when you hover the ... in the comment column, shows you the tooltip box with the comment | 15:44 |
replaceafill | i also need to fix the zoom buttons | 15:45 |
replaceafill | and put the warning of unsaved changes back, and make sure it works in chrome :) | 15:45 |
replaceafill | i also was thinking that the Save button should be disabled when there are no changes | 15:45 |
th1a | Do we have a pale blue in the calendar event colors? | 15:45 |
replaceafill | like in Openoffice | 15:45 |
replaceafill | th1a, not sure, will check | 15:46 |
replaceafill | i have to make the journal use all of this | 15:46 |
replaceafill | and the most important one i think, i need to refactor the gradebook view class to not calculate all these pieces i've taken out | 15:47 |
replaceafill | ah, and the gradebook should not save invalid values | 15:47 |
replaceafill | it currently does :( | 15:47 |
replaceafill | and my wishlist: | 15:48 |
replaceafill | ajaxy tabs | 15:48 |
replaceafill | when you click on a worksheet only reloads the gradebook part | 15:48 |
replaceafill | not the selectors, or header, or footer | 15:48 |
replaceafill | yvl, but i have a question here | 15:48 |
yvl | shoot | 15:48 |
replaceafill | i can reload the whole form, etc, with a new submit action and all | 15:49 |
replaceafill | but the url in the page would stay the same | 15:49 |
replaceafill | would that be a problem? | 15:49 |
replaceafill | (not sure if i'm clear enough) | 15:50 |
replaceafill | it's like you'd be looking at and working with worksheet3, but the url on the browser is for worksheet1 | 15:50 |
yvl | I would say - yes | 15:50 |
yvl | but it could be fixed | 15:50 |
yvl | now, 69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/2012-spring/sections/art_a_2012-spring_teacher004_000/gradebook | 15:50 |
yvl | redirects to, say, | 15:51 |
yvl | http://69.164.203.135:6662/schoolyears/2011-2012/2012-spring/sections/art_a_2012-spring_teacher004_000/activities/2011-2012_2012-spring_1/gradebook | 15:51 |
yvl | if you want, you can make that section/gradebook url display the page | 15:51 |
replaceafill | ah | 15:51 |
yvl | and then render correct activity inside it | 15:51 |
replaceafill | like a new view | 15:51 |
yvl | yes | 15:51 |
replaceafill | yes | 15:51 |
replaceafill | got it | 15:51 |
replaceafill | cool, i like that :) | 15:52 |
replaceafill | yvl, about the tooltip idea | 15:52 |
yvl | listening :) | 15:52 |
replaceafill | we said in the sprint we would use one for the long competency descriptions | 15:52 |
replaceafill | remember? | 15:52 |
replaceafill | but the jquery ui ones are not in the stable version yet | 15:53 |
replaceafill | should we create our own tooltips | 15:53 |
replaceafill | (i think it's not that hard to do it wrong) :D | 15:53 |
yvl | can't we just postpone the task? ;) | 15:54 |
replaceafill | sure | 15:54 |
replaceafill | it's just that it's coming ;) | 15:54 |
yvl | to be more precies - postpone for few months | 15:55 |
th1a | replaceafill: You mean javascript tooltips? | 15:55 |
replaceafill | th1a, yes | 15:55 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135/jquery-ui/demos/#tooltip|default | 15:55 |
th1a | Hopefully we can implement them in a way that will work nicely for charts too... | 15:55 |
th1a | Right now mixing Javascript libraries seems like magic to me still... | 15:55 |
th1a | but it is probably straightforward. | 15:56 |
replaceafill | i'm just not sure about the not-stable status of that part in jquery ui | 15:56 |
replaceafill | but as yvl said, i don't have to do it right now | 15:56 |
yvl | hmm | 15:56 |
yvl | maybe we can just start using the unstable | 15:57 |
yvl | we have half a year until actual release | 15:57 |
replaceafill | good point | 15:57 |
yvl | and I somewhat doubt that there will be severe bugs for deployments in summer | 15:57 |
yvl | also http://blog.jqueryui.com/2011/09/jquery-ui-1-9-milestone-6-spinner-2/ | 15:57 |
yvl | and many other goodies | 15:57 |
yvl | what do you think guys? | 15:57 |
replaceafill | cool, i'll dig into that :) | 15:57 |
yvl | oh, also http://blog.jqueryui.com/2011/02/jquery-ui-1-9-milestone-4-accordion-redesign/ ;) | 15:58 |
replaceafill | :O | 15:58 |
replaceafill | th1a, another thing: auto-save | 15:58 |
replaceafill | are we going to implement that? | 15:59 |
th1a | Accordion redesign!?! | 15:59 |
replaceafill | is it going to be a global setting? | 15:59 |
yvl | ;) th1a | 15:59 |
th1a | Auto save as in as you leave each cell? | 15:59 |
yvl | but there's a uiBackCompat flag | 15:59 |
replaceafill | th1a, yes | 16:00 |
replaceafill | th1a, even when you're on the cell, but you dont edit it in a while | 16:00 |
replaceafill | like calc | 16:00 |
th1a | Does it need to be optional at all? | 16:00 |
replaceafill | ok, i'll take that as a yes :) | 16:00 |
yvl | with a few second pause after last save.. | 16:00 |
yvl | also a spinner somewhere would be nice | 16:01 |
replaceafill | yvl, i liked the idea of changing the background of the cells | 16:01 |
replaceafill | like fading away | 16:01 |
yvl | or that | 16:01 |
replaceafill | ok, i think that's it from me | 16:02 |
th1a | replaceafill: As far as I was concerned, auto-save was the whole point of this task. ;-) | 16:02 |
replaceafill | :| | 16:02 |
replaceafill | i thought it was performance | 16:02 |
replaceafill | :( | 16:02 |
replaceafill | loading time, etc | 16:03 |
th1a | Or maybe I'm thinking of a different task. | 16:03 |
th1a | They blend together. | 16:03 |
replaceafill | right | 16:03 |
th1a | Anyway, yes, do that. | 16:03 |
replaceafill | cool | 16:03 |
th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 16:03 |
th1a | I have a related question. | 16:03 |
yvl | awesome progress, replaceafill | 16:03 |
* yvl takes his hat off | 16:03 | |
th1a | Which perhaps replaceafill could jump in on. | 16:03 |
replaceafill | yvl, i hate the js code less now ;) | 16:03 |
yvl | :D | 16:03 |
th1a | One potentially simple feature that might be jammed into the release, menesis willing... | 16:04 |
th1a | (btw, no the rest of this stuff replaceafill is working on is NOT for the impending release) | 16:04 |
th1a | ...is fill-down for the journal. The reason that is important is several people have asked about needing to confirm the presence of students. | 16:05 |
th1a | Which we don't really do at this point. We just note their absence or score. | 16:05 |
th1a | So we could use a fill-down as present menu item like in the gradebook. | 16:05 |
th1a | Actually the potential problem here is that I don't think we have present as a valid input in the journal. | 16:06 |
th1a | So THAT might be more than a quick port/fix. | 16:06 |
th1a | Thoughts? | 16:06 |
replaceafill | present = not absent :) | 16:06 |
th1a | Do now or put off? | 16:06 |
menesis | there is no way to mark "present" currently | 16:07 |
replaceafill | from me, put off and do it with this implementation | 16:07 |
replaceafill | this implementation (the performance stuff) | 16:07 |
th1a | OK. | 16:07 |
th1a | Should I give that bug to replaceafill? | 16:08 |
yvl | yes ;) | 16:08 |
replaceafill | if we put it off yes | 16:08 |
menesis | but it is possible to add another value in addition to "n" and "p" | 16:08 |
replaceafill | menesis, but then we need to modify reports, etc to react to the 'present' score | 16:09 |
replaceafill | right? | 16:09 |
aelkner | curently, this bug is assigned to me: | 16:09 |
aelkner | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.lyceum.journal/+bug/932131 | 16:09 |
th1a | I just moved it. | 16:09 |
menesis | should "present" be displayed in each cell? | 16:10 |
menesis | + | 16:10 |
th1a | Not by default. | 16:10 |
th1a | The whole point is that you have to let teachers explicitly set it. | 16:10 |
th1a | But it would be ok to let them fill-down. | 16:10 |
replaceafill | also, from jelkner's use of the journal, if a student has a 1-10 score, does that mean he was present that day? :) | 16:12 |
aelkner | replaceafill, it always has meant present | 16:12 |
replaceafill | ah | 16:12 |
aelkner | we have to be careful about breaking calculations that depend on that fact | 16:12 |
aelkner | if 'a' or 't' do this | 16:13 |
aelkner | if not None, then present, something like that | 16:13 |
aelkner | point is, we haven't had the 'p' until now, so calculations are not ready for that yet | 16:14 |
aelkner | though, if they rely on not None, they may already work | 16:15 |
th1a | OK, so we won't jam it in. | 16:15 |
menesis | I would say it is too late to change the meaning of each cell | 16:15 |
replaceafill | +1 | 16:15 |
aelkner | the cando folks will be using bleeding edge this summer anyway, so... | 16:15 |
th1a | All right, it is on replaceafill's plate though. | 16:15 |
replaceafill | kk | 16:15 |
th1a | Great job on the gradebook performance replaceafill. | 16:16 |
replaceafill | :) | 16:16 |
th1a | Hopefully it will all translate cleanly to the other two gradebooks. | 16:16 |
replaceafill | yes th1a i hope so | 16:16 |
th1a | OK. aelkner? | 16:17 |
aelkner | ok, i changed Hidden? to Visible in the hid/unhide course worksheets view | 16:18 |
aelkner | menesis, i didn't update CHANGES.txt for the revision: | 16:18 |
aelkner | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/flourish/revision/3353 | 16:18 |
aelkner | that's because we haven't released the course worksheets yet | 16:18 |
aelkner | so it's really just cleaning up that task, ok? | 16:19 |
menesis | aelkner: I look at all revisions and CHANGES.txt | 16:19 |
menesis | and update it anyway | 16:19 |
menesis | so don't worry | 16:19 |
aelkner | ah, so you don't care about the individual revision | 16:19 |
aelkner | ok, cool | 16:20 |
aelkner | i added stests to schooltool.course and wrote tests for section locations | 16:20 |
replaceafill | aelkner, btw | 16:20 |
aelkner | and merged the whole seciton locations task to trunk | 16:20 |
replaceafill | you should review the selenium setup you added to the course package, there's a lot of resource* references. course/stesting.py is even using the layer from the resource package. | 16:20 |
aelkner | ah, crap | 16:20 |
aelkner | i thought i got rid of them | 16:21 |
aelkner | i'll fix that | 16:21 |
aelkner | anyway, in the meantime, i've been looking at my bugs | 16:23 |
aelkner | i started on this one: | 16:23 |
aelkner | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/868435 | 16:23 |
aelkner | the only School tab view that still fails to highlight the tab is Terms | 16:23 |
aelkner | also, the Report Sheet Templates view had no breadcrumb | 16:23 |
aelkner | i already found the fix for that | 16:24 |
aelkner | i just have to figure out what's wrong with the Terms view | 16:24 |
replaceafill | aelkner, same for course worksheets | 16:24 |
replaceafill | iirc | 16:24 |
th1a | Yes, please poke around some and confirm you've got them all. | 16:24 |
aelkner | ok | 16:24 |
aelkner | i can do this one, to: | 16:25 |
aelkner | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.intervention/+bug/922271 | 16:25 |
aelkner | we already show the relationship for contacts | 16:25 |
th1a | OK. | 16:25 |
aelkner | but for the first column, the responsible parties, we don't | 16:26 |
aelkner | th1a, i'l check in with you later this week if i run out of tasks | 16:26 |
aelkner | here's another one: | 16:26 |
aelkner | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.lyceum.journal/+bug/932508 | 16:26 |
aelkner | i should be busy for a couple of days at least, but i'll check in with you anyway | 16:27 |
th1a | There are a bunch of little ones there for you. | 16:27 |
th1a | Let me know if you run out of criticals. | 16:27 |
aelkner | ok | 16:27 |
aelkner | that's it for me | 16:28 |
th1a | Thanks aelkner. | 16:28 |
th1a | menesis? | 16:28 |
menesis | ... | 16:29 |
menesis | no, I haven't made any release yet | 16:30 |
menesis | only some preparations | 16:30 |
menesis | I did not like/understand one change in recent tables rewrite | 16:31 |
menesis | yvl: why tables gained relationships-table css class? | 16:31 |
th1a | Beta freeze is March 22nd, so that's probably a good target date. | 16:31 |
yvl | menesis, because I'm somewhat lazy | 16:31 |
yvl | I should have created a better name and update css | 16:32 |
menesis | because this broke some tests | 16:32 |
replaceafill | i thought i had fixed that | 16:33 |
menesis | the ones in schooltool are fixed | 16:33 |
replaceafill | ah | 16:33 |
menesis | yes, but I don't understand why that was needed for generic tables | 16:33 |
replaceafill | didn't looked at the plugins :( | 16:33 |
menesis | one left in journal | 16:34 |
menesis | failing | 16:35 |
menesis | I noticed this because I tried to determine if plugins are compatible with older schooltool | 16:35 |
menesis | or I have to raise min version and release in specific order | 16:36 |
menesis | but it looks ok | 16:36 |
menesis | apart from some tests | 16:36 |
menesis | otherwise I was busy elsewhere | 16:37 |
menesis | and planned release wed/thu | 16:38 |
menesis | looks like there are more fixes in :) | 16:38 |
* menesis done | 16:39 | |
replaceafill | i fixed one exception view in the resources add form | 16:39 |
replaceafill | menesis, bzr question | 16:40 |
replaceafill | if i have a branch and push to targetA | 16:40 |
replaceafill | is it posible to say to my branch to start pushing to targetB | 16:40 |
aelkner | --remember | 16:41 |
* replaceafill was about to push to trunk by mistake :( | 16:41 | |
replaceafill | ah, thanks aelkner i'll look into that | 16:41 |
menesis | bzr push --remember targetB | 16:41 |
replaceafill | thanks | 16:41 |
replaceafill | score system issues recorded: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.gradebook/+bug/955099 | 16:42 |
th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 16:43 |
th1a | thanks menesis. Can we shoot for before next Thursday as the goal? | 16:44 |
menesis | th1a: better tomorrow | 16:45 |
th1a | better tomorrow? | 16:46 |
menesis | I had to make releases last week... | 16:46 |
menesis | ...but will do tomorrow | 16:46 |
menesis | not wait longer | 16:47 |
th1a | So... yes, before next Thursday, as early as tomorrow. | 16:47 |
menesis | yes :) | 16:47 |
th1a | OK. Now, who will get these? | 16:47 |
th1a | Will they go into our PPA for Oneiric immediately? | 16:47 |
th1a | (they don't necessarily need to) | 16:48 |
th1a | Or at all, really. | 16:48 |
menesis | so far | 16:48 |
menesis | I have first uploaded to precise | 16:48 |
menesis | and then to all the ppa's a few days later | 16:49 |
th1a | OK. | 16:49 |
th1a | Also, just send out an announcement -- either just to me or directly to the list -- when this is happening. | 16:49 |
menesis | ok | 16:50 |
menesis | why you asking if oneiric users get this? | 16:50 |
th1a | I'm just reminding myself of how this works, essentially. | 16:51 |
menesis | :) | 16:51 |
th1a | In the past we haven't dropped whole version upgrades on existing users. | 16:52 |
th1a | So it is a bit of an open question, but probably in this case we should do it. | 16:52 |
th1a | But maybe wait. | 16:52 |
menesis | we get bug reports about 2.0, means people try it from the ppa | 16:52 |
th1a | Or maybe it isn't such a big upgrade in this particular release. | 16:53 |
menesis | I don't think about this as "whole version upgrade" | 16:53 |
th1a | Yes, that's kind of the question. | 16:53 |
th1a | I'll trust your judgement. | 16:53 |
th1a | It is an incremental upgrade which happens to fall at the cutoff date for the April release. | 16:53 |
th1a | OK. Thanks menesis. | 16:56 |
th1a | yvl? | 16:56 |
menesis | compared to february release - tab hiding, ajaxy tables, email fixes, more fixes | 16:56 |
th1a | Yeah, it isn't so much, menesis. | 16:56 |
yvl | not much to report th1a | 16:56 |
yvl | work in progress | 16:56 |
yvl | hmm, one thing | 16:57 |
yvl | initial implementation will probably be sluggish | 16:57 |
yvl | I'm really leaning towards doing stuff via relationships, then optimizing relationships in ST | 16:58 |
th1a | I tend to think that's the way to do it. | 16:59 |
yvl | I'll probably be more vocal next Wed :) | 17:00 |
yvl | since replaceafill will be probably using those for the gradebook | 17:01 |
replaceafill | :) | 17:01 |
aelkner | where would that be? | 17:01 |
aelkner | i don';t understand, relationships in the gradebook? | 17:02 |
yvl | skills document model | 17:02 |
replaceafill | the hierarchy aelkner | 17:02 |
yvl | yes | 17:02 |
aelkner | ah, ok | 17:02 |
yvl | also skill course deployment | 17:02 |
yvl | also skillsets | 17:02 |
* yvl done th1a | 17:03 | |
th1a | So this guy in Australia wants to chat, and I'm thinking maybe we should try a hangout instead of skype. | 17:03 |
th1a | So... does anyone want to hang out with me? | 17:03 |
th1a | And explain to me how to do it... | 17:03 |
th1a | I just created a SchoolTool circle. | 17:03 |
th1a | In the meantime... have a great week and weekend guys! | 17:04 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:04 | |
yvl | thanks guys! | 17:04 |
replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:04 |
aelkner | great week everyone | 17:04 |
* replaceafill goes to get breakfast | 17:05 | |
yvl | th1a, have you added us to the ST circle yet? | 17:05 |
th1a | I created one and added you to it. | 17:05 |
th1a | Well, you're pov.lt address. | 17:05 |
th1a | OK, I added your google self too. | 17:06 |
yvl | now just go to you plus.google.com | 17:07 |
yvl | home | 17:07 |
yvl | and on the right, you should see a "Start Hangout" button | 17:07 |
th1a | Ah. | 17:08 |
th1a | OK, plugging in... | 17:08 |
th1a | Inviting you goobers. | 17:13 |
th1a | replaceafill: You still around? | 17:14 |
th1a | OK, it works! | 17:19 |
* replaceafill back | 17:27 | |
th1a | replaceafill: I was just curious about the group chat performance. | 17:35 |
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