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yvl | it seem we've lost th1a | 16:40 |
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yvl | * seems | 16:40 |
replaceafill | yvl, can you take a look at my dates idea? | 16:40 |
yvl | sure! | 16:40 |
replaceafill | it's kind of dumb, i'm sure you'll have a better solution :) | 16:41 |
replaceafill | https://code.launchpad.net/~replaceafill/schooltool/flourish_dates | 16:41 |
replaceafill | you can see it here: http://69.164.203.135:6660 | 16:41 |
replaceafill | go to Server and choose one of the first two formats for dates | 16:41 |
replaceafill | i have a problem with the 3rd one | 16:42 |
replaceafill | since it involves month names | 16:42 |
replaceafill | then add a school year for example | 16:42 |
replaceafill | the datepicker should change it's format according to the preference | 16:42 |
replaceafill | and the schoolyear index view too | 16:43 |
aelkner | hey guys, when are your arriving in virginia, sat morning? | 16:43 |
replaceafill | aelkner, friday | 16:44 |
replaceafill | i think yvl arrives around 3, and i arrive at 5 | 16:44 |
aelkner | ah, ok, so friday is travel day | 16:44 |
aelkner | i wonder if i'm needed to pick people up | 16:45 |
yvl | thanks Alan | 16:46 |
yvl | this time... public transport FTW! | 16:46 |
replaceafill | +1 | 16:46 |
yvl | as for the date widget... | 16:48 |
yvl | you know... | 16:48 |
yvl | maybe we could hack the widget to display the date in whatever format, but use iso format in a hidden field? | 16:49 |
yvl | or we won't have the human readable format | 16:49 |
replaceafill | i vote for not having formats that need i18n | 16:50 |
replaceafill | you know | 16:50 |
replaceafill | i thought that zope.i18n could help, but it's too much mess | 16:51 |
replaceafill | also | 16:51 |
replaceafill | the datepicker for some reason, shows unicode chars sometimes | 16:51 |
replaceafill | well, for some reason = the translations have unicode entities | 16:52 |
yvl | right | 16:53 |
replaceafill | but yvl what would be the advantage of the hidden field? | 16:53 |
yvl | well, you could display whatever in the text field | 16:54 |
yvl | like 02 Février, 2012 | 16:54 |
yvl | but scrap that | 16:54 |
yvl | it's better if we have numeric only formats | 16:54 |
replaceafill | i also wanted the converter to use the preferences, so we could use z3c.form for display | 16:55 |
replaceafill | like the FormViewlet i used in the schoolyear view | 16:55 |
yvl | right | 16:56 |
* yvl is somewhat distracted after toying with Selenium all day | 16:57 | |
replaceafill | :) np | 16:57 |
replaceafill | how's that coming? | 16:57 |
yvl | but the diff looks good from the first glance | 16:57 |
replaceafill | cool | 16:57 |
replaceafill | we... can talk about it during the sprint ;) | 16:57 |
yvl | well, let's start with... you have to pin zope.testrunner to 1.3.0 | 16:58 |
yvl | and I don't want to talk why without a beer :D | 16:58 |
replaceafill | :D | 16:58 |
replaceafill | i noticed the selenium tests dont run in the current trunk | 16:58 |
replaceafill | right? | 16:58 |
replaceafill | you get 'selenium not configured' messages | 16:58 |
yvl | well they do | 16:58 |
replaceafill | or is just me? | 16:58 |
yvl | nope | 16:59 |
yvl | people FIXED stuff | 16:59 |
yvl | add this: | 16:59 |
yvl | selenium = 2.18.1 | 16:59 |
yvl | zc.recipe.testrunner = 1.3.0 | 16:59 |
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yvl | and they will run | 16:59 |
replaceafill | ah! cool, i'll try that | 16:59 |
yvl | I pushed a small update, btw | 16:59 |
th1a | Hey. | 16:59 |
yvl | should fix the lang problem | 16:59 |
yvl | hi th1a! | 16:59 |
th1a | I apparently got a little too wrapped up on my pre-trip todo list. | 17:00 |
th1a | And forgot the meeting! | 17:00 |
yvl | :D | 17:00 |
replaceafill | :| | 17:00 |
th1a | D-D | 17:01 |
th1a | :-D | 17:01 |
yvl | well, we can start now | 17:02 |
yvl | good morning/evening th1a, aelkner, replaceafill, menesis | 17:02 |
yvl | ;) | 17:02 |
th1a | hi! | 17:02 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 17:02 |
* th1a is reading the log. | 17:02 | |
* replaceafill is trying the selenium changes | 17:03 | |
replaceafill | yvl, ah! so you can access the dialog from a different element? | 17:05 |
replaceafill | i mean in a stest | 17:05 |
yvl | well, yes | 17:05 |
yvl | it's in DOM | 17:05 |
th1a | Can the calendar widget work with multiple fields, like if there was a separate field for each of day month year but one widget fills all three? | 17:05 |
yvl | you can access directly, or with a helper | 17:05 |
replaceafill | yvl, ah! | 17:05 |
yvl | as in - select some element, then re-use | 17:05 |
yvl | I don't think so, th1a | 17:06 |
th1a | Just wondering. | 17:06 |
yvl | but, you know. | 17:07 |
yvl | everything can be hacked :) | 17:07 |
th1a | Could we limit the import formats to just numeric ones (i.e., separate input and output formats). | 17:07 |
yvl | yes, we could | 17:08 |
yvl | or we could do with two settings | 17:08 |
yvl | input format | 17:08 |
yvl | and human-readable display | 17:08 |
yvl | use the display for /@@shortDate and others | 17:09 |
yvl | i.e. to display not in forms | 17:09 |
yvl | and even use human readable in forms where the field is not editable | 17:09 |
yvl | i.e. different display and input widgets | 17:10 |
th1a | OK. We should probably defer this to the sprint to try to resolve it. | 17:10 |
yvl | ok | 17:10 |
replaceafill | agree | 17:10 |
aelkner | th1a, for friday, is my car needed? | 17:10 |
th1a | I don't think so. | 17:10 |
aelkner | so i should meet everyone at the hotel friday evening? | 17:11 |
th1a | If we do need a car we can hit up your brother or welsh. | 17:11 |
yvl | friday??? | 17:11 |
th1a | Well, I guess not during school. | 17:11 |
aelkner | replaceafill said he arrives friday | 17:11 |
yvl | we've booked from Saturday, right? | 17:11 |
yvl | th1a? | 17:12 |
replaceafill | i get there friday at 5 | 17:12 |
th1a | yvl: Oh... | 17:12 |
th1a | Let me call about that. | 17:12 |
* replaceafill was thinking asking jelkner for his couch | 17:12 | |
* yvl booked another hotel for friday night | 17:12 | |
* replaceafill should have booked a hotel :P | 17:13 | |
th1a | Did I tell you I was booking a room for Friday replaceafill? | 17:13 |
replaceafill | th1a, no | 17:13 |
replaceafill | that's why i was thinking about asking jelkner | 17:13 |
aelkner | th1a, so i need to come down saturday morning, right? | 17:14 |
th1a | Let me call the hotel and see if I can add a night. I was just confused because when I called them back previously they us down for one of the rooms on Friday, which I didn't remember asking for, but probably I should have... | 17:14 |
th1a | aelkner: Yes, you can just come Friday. | 17:15 |
th1a | Saturday. | 17:15 |
th1a | I mean. | 17:15 |
yvl | :D | 17:15 |
* th1a isn't too sharp today. | 17:15 | |
aelkner | right, so you don't need a room for me friday | 17:15 |
th1a | I'm getting there Saturday at noon. | 17:15 |
aelkner | do you need to be picked up from the airport? | 17:15 |
th1a | I'm going to National so it is probably not worth the bother. | 17:15 |
aelkner | ok, so we'll meet at the hotel sat noon | 17:16 |
th1a | Probably 1:00 officially. | 17:16 |
aelkner | ish | 17:16 |
aelkner | ok, 1:00 ish | 17:16 |
th1a | I'll double check the times -- I'll send an email today. | 17:16 |
th1a | aelkner: Can you send me jelkner's cell phone #? | 17:17 |
aelkner | jelkner doesn't answer a cell | 17:17 |
aelkner | so i don't have a number for that | 17:17 |
aelkner | he calls out using skype i think from his touch pad | 17:17 |
aelkner | i'll send his classroom number | 17:18 |
th1a | OK. | 17:18 |
yvl | can I be a bit late on Sat? | 17:18 |
* yvl is checking out early Sat, so was thinking about getting to some Smithsonian museum | 17:19 | |
yvl | those are awesome :) | 17:19 |
th1a | Well, I'm planning on taking some time off on some other mornings if we can. | 17:20 |
aelkner | th1a, i included jeff's home and roxanna's cell, so feel free to try those as well | 17:20 |
th1a | Let me double check the times, but I'd like to be rolling 1:30 or 2:00 at the latest. | 17:21 |
th1a | I'll think about it. | 17:21 |
yvl | ok | 17:21 |
* th1a has a very strange way of planning travel which involves holding no information in his head. | 17:21 | |
th1a | I am arriving 11:55. | 17:22 |
th1a | So let's say 1:30 start. | 17:23 |
yvl | so... meeting @ 1:00 at hotel, checking in, and 1:30 start | 17:24 |
th1a | OK, replaceafill, so I have two other things I'd like to try to squeeze in that I'm afraid you haven't worked on before, but I'll throw this out for comment. | 17:25 |
th1a | a) student photos; | 17:25 |
th1a | b) school level attributes (e.g., address, phone of school). | 17:25 |
yvl | a-1) blob storage | 17:25 |
yvl | file storage, I mean :) | 17:26 |
replaceafill | isnt the blob directory/handling automatically from configuration? | 17:26 |
yvl | well, it needs to be enabled | 17:26 |
yvl | that falls under menesis jurisdiction I suppose | 17:27 |
replaceafill | but the zodb "decides" when to use them or do we need zope.file or some external package? | 17:27 |
* replaceafill remembers zope.file or something like that enabling blobs in the old days | 17:28 | |
* yvl can't recall the details | 17:28 | |
th1a | All I know is that we seem to have made it a much bigger problem than it ought to be. | 17:28 |
yvl | but yes, something like that | 17:28 |
menesis | blob storage needs to be enabled in configuration | 17:28 |
menesis | and then it is used | 17:28 |
replaceafill | menesis, automatically, right? | 17:29 |
menesis | zope.file makes use of it | 17:29 |
replaceafill | ah | 17:29 |
yvl | thanks menesis | 17:29 |
* replaceafill used blobs in his grok days | 17:30 | |
th1a | So maybe replaceafill can take a crack at this. | 17:30 |
replaceafill | th1a, school level attributes are like demo fields for the app | 17:30 |
replaceafill | ? | 17:30 |
yvl | th1a - packaging? | 17:30 |
th1a | Well, they don't even really need to be customizable. | 17:30 |
th1a | Why don't you do the photos. | 17:31 |
replaceafill | ok | 17:31 |
yvl | th1a, the thing with photos is not adding them | 17:31 |
yvl | but enabling decent storage | 17:31 |
yvl | that does not blow up database out of proportion | 17:32 |
th1a | Well, yes. | 17:32 |
yvl | enabling is done in configuration | 17:32 |
yvl | that's a packaging task as far as I understand | 17:32 |
th1a | Yes, I'm not worried about the task of turning on blob support. | 17:32 |
th1a | The use case is printed ID's and identifying kids on on-screen displays. | 17:33 |
th1a | So we can constrain the images pretty heavily. | 17:33 |
th1a | And even doing so in a fairly brute force way would be much better than nothing. | 17:34 |
yvl | replaceafill - wanna do it then? :) | 17:34 |
th1a | This is a task for someone who is not going to overthink it. ;-) | 17:35 |
yvl | sounds like replaceafill :D | 17:35 |
replaceafill | ¬¬ | 17:35 |
replaceafill | sure | 17:35 |
yvl | :D | 17:35 |
yvl | that's a compliment, replaceafill :) | 17:35 |
replaceafill | i can start enabling blob support by hand in my schooltool.conf, right? | 17:36 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:36 |
replaceafill | can we use an external package? i remember there are some packages for handling file uploads | 17:37 |
th1a | Do we still have the PIL dependency hanging around? | 17:37 |
replaceafill | for example, when you submit a form with a file, but you have a validation error | 17:37 |
replaceafill | in other field | 17:37 |
replaceafill | so you dont have to upload twice | 17:37 |
th1a | Zope packages? | 17:38 |
replaceafill | yes | 17:38 |
replaceafill | again, i'm just remembering stuff i've used | 17:39 |
replaceafill | but i know new dependencies are not welcome | 17:39 |
replaceafill | (or very welcome) | 17:39 |
replaceafill | so maybe all we need is an <input type="file" ...> and let the user deal with it | 17:39 |
replaceafill | or something, just throwing random thoughts | 17:39 |
* replaceafill shuts up :) | 17:39 | |
th1a | The bottom line is that right now users would rather have any pictures than the perfect implementation. | 17:40 |
replaceafill | th1a, got it | 17:40 |
th1a | Basically, you should probably use passport photos as a reference point. | 17:40 |
th1a | That's pretty much the size we're going for. | 17:40 |
replaceafill | are we going to force some image ratio? | 17:41 |
th1a | You'll need to constrain overall file size and scale down the images as necessary. | 17:41 |
replaceafill | th1a, right | 17:41 |
th1a | I don't think we should enforce the ratio necessarily. | 17:41 |
replaceafill | ok | 17:41 |
th1a | Just have a max height and width and force the image into that constraint. | 17:41 |
th1a | But I don't want to stretch the image, and I don't particularly want to enforce an exact ratio for uploads. | 17:42 |
replaceafill | got it | 17:42 |
th1a | I don't see any reason to be that finicky when PIL will rescale easily enough. | 17:42 |
replaceafill | i was thinking more about the printed version of the image | 17:42 |
replaceafill | if you have a ratio constraint, then you know it will fit | 17:43 |
replaceafill | right? | 17:43 |
replaceafill | but i'll start simple | 17:43 |
th1a | Maybe there is some easy way in PIL to add blank space in the margins to make the image a certain size. | 17:44 |
th1a | Anyhow, yes, start simple. | 17:44 |
replaceafill | cool, i'll move to that then | 17:44 |
th1a | Requiring the image to be an exact px size would still be better than nothing. | 17:45 |
th1a | OK. aelkner, how are the transcripts coming? | 17:47 |
aelkner | in adding the transcript layout to the data model, a question came up | 17:48 |
aelkner | starting from what we have for report cards: | 17:48 |
aelkner | for each year, a list of (source, heading) pairs for the report card grid columns | 17:49 |
aelkner | as well as a the same list of the same pairs for the outline activities | 17:49 |
aelkner | and the collection of these columns and outline activities can vary to any degree from year to year | 17:50 |
aelkner | in the case of the transcript, the same cannot be said | 17:50 |
th1a | Well, there are no outline activities in the transcript. | 17:50 |
th1a | For now at least. | 17:50 |
th1a | And yes, you're right that the activities probably have to be defined by year. | 17:51 |
aelkner | but can they is the question | 17:51 |
th1a | What do you think aelkner? | 17:51 |
aelkner | since the report is a multi-year report, it couldn't make sense for one year to have a different activities than another | 17:52 |
aelkner | the only thing that could change form year to year is the report activity source of the section grade | 17:52 |
th1a | The school might completely change their grading system from one year to the next. | 17:53 |
th1a | There is no assumption of consistency. | 17:53 |
th1a | Just have them define it per year. | 17:53 |
aelkner | so, the transcript could have one set of grid columns for one year and another set for the next year? | 17:53 |
th1a | There is a column for the score, and different things might go in it. | 17:54 |
th1a | Look at an example. | 17:54 |
aelkner | the examples all assume consistency from year to year | 17:54 |
aelkner | which makes sense | 17:55 |
th1a | You're going to have a column which probably says "GRADE" | 17:55 |
aelkner | otherwise the transcript has apples and oranges | 17:55 |
th1a | That is not our problem. | 17:55 |
th1a | Basically, we can establish a bunch of rules for this and try to figure out ways to enforce them. | 17:55 |
th1a | Or we can just let people select what goes under GRADE for each year. | 17:56 |
aelkner | i was thinking that the only thing that needs to be chosen each year is the deployed report activity | 17:56 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:56 |
aelkner | that the report itself assumes that every year equally has just one score, i.e., one column | 17:57 |
aelkner | and that it's heading is not a year over year choice | 17:57 |
th1a | There is one column for scores in the transcript, even if in different years it is different activities. | 17:57 |
th1a | I believe we are agreeing at this point. | 17:58 |
aelkner | i think so, so i just wanted to double-check the UI | 17:58 |
aelkner | you see, under customize in the School tab (a year-level thing) | 17:59 |
aelkner | we have Report Card Layout | 17:59 |
aelkner | but i think Transcript Layout is not the right name for the button | 17:59 |
aelkner | but rather, Transcript Data Source | 18:00 |
aelkner | and the view for that would be merely a drop-down to select the source | 18:00 |
aelkner | no heading, not table of columns | 18:00 |
th1a | How about Customize: Transcript | 18:00 |
aelkner | fine | 18:00 |
aelkner | so you agree that customizing the heading is not to be done at the ear level | 18:01 |
aelkner | year | 18:01 |
th1a | Can you just make it one form that has a menu for each year. | 18:01 |
th1a | ? | 18:01 |
aelkner | just like the report card layout, it will be a year tertiary nav view | 18:02 |
aelkner | does that sound right? | 18:02 |
th1a | Just make it one form. | 18:03 |
th1a | It is just one line per year. | 18:03 |
th1a | One form with five lines is much better than five forms with one line. | 18:03 |
aelkner | so, even though the form can be called up from the School tab for any given year | 18:04 |
aelkner | it will contain a form for all years | 18:04 |
aelkner | we already have Customize Templates which is year independent | 18:05 |
aelkner | i just want to make sure this is also ok for the transcript | 18:05 |
th1a | The customize things in the sidebar aren't year dependent. | 18:05 |
th1a | Yes. | 18:05 |
aelkner | well, Report Card Layout is | 18:06 |
th1a | Ah, is that the one we moved recently? | 18:06 |
aelkner | but i guess the rest are not | 18:06 |
th1a | Probably we shouldn't have done that. | 18:06 |
aelkner | no, we didn't move that one, but we could | 18:06 |
aelkner | we moved the Report Sheet Tempaltes | 18:07 |
th1a | Don't do it right now. | 18:07 |
aelkner | don't do what? | 18:07 |
th1a | Move those. | 18:07 |
th1a | Just do the transcript. | 18:08 |
aelkner | ok, and it's Customize -> Transcript with a form with one drop-down per year | 18:08 |
th1a | y | 18:08 |
aelkner | and if they fail to pick a report activity source for a given year | 18:08 |
aelkner | then the year won't appear in the transcript | 18:08 |
aelkner | Submit and Cancel which both take the user back to the School tab | 18:09 |
th1a | No, the year and sections should appear. | 18:09 |
th1a | Just no score. | 18:09 |
aelkner | oh, ok | 18:10 |
aelkner | ok, so i think i got it now | 18:10 |
aelkner | the data model i had in mind seems to still be correct | 18:10 |
aelkner | just one source per year, no heading | 18:11 |
aelkner | maybe we could add a heading override choice to the form later | 18:11 |
th1a | Yes. | 18:11 |
aelkner | but the choice they would make would go in a different (not year related) layout object | 18:11 |
aelkner | but that's only if we decide to add that later | 18:12 |
aelkner | btw, i have a way of adding attributes to the gradebook root that doesn't require evolution | 18:12 |
aelkner | the AppInit and AppStartup events will check to see if the attribute needs to be added | 18:13 |
aelkner | yvl, it's like those new indeces you created that self-evolve | 18:13 |
yvl | hmm | 18:14 |
aelkner | the setupGradebookRoot method (called from AppInit and AppStartup) will add the new root attrbute | 18:14 |
yvl | it depends on what attribute you have in mind | 18:14 |
aelkner | rememebr how you created index objects that reindex automatically, no need for evolve? | 18:14 |
yvl | yes | 18:15 |
aelkner | in my case, i have a GradebookRoot object that has various attributes | 18:15 |
yvl | which one do you have in mind now? | 18:15 |
aelkner | a new one, transcript_sources, will be added | 18:15 |
aelkner | and i won't need to write an evolve script to add it, just do so in AppInit or AppStartup | 18:16 |
aelkner | later, i may need to add a TranscriptLayout object to root | 18:16 |
aelkner | that object would not be by year | 18:17 |
yvl | well, ok | 18:17 |
yvl | as long as you don't configure them | 18:17 |
yvl | like... | 18:17 |
aelkner | it could have various fields for laying out the transcript | 18:17 |
aelkner | like the heading for Grades | 18:17 |
aelkner | perhaps a transcript type | 18:17 |
aelkner | but since we don't have that need yet, i'm not going to add that attribute | 18:17 |
yvl | well, go ahead | 18:18 |
yvl | in any case - we can move that to evolution later | 18:18 |
yvl | and quite easily | 18:18 |
aelkner | sure, if we need to | 18:18 |
yvl | right | 18:18 |
aelkner | anyway, that's what i'll do | 18:18 |
yvl | sure | 18:18 |
aelkner | th1a, that's it for me | 18:19 |
th1a | OK, so everyone is busy until Saturday? | 18:19 |
yvl | yep | 18:19 |
aelkner | yes | 18:19 |
replaceafill | yes | 18:19 |
th1a | :-D | 18:20 |
th1a | OK. See you then. | 18:20 |
th1a | Travel safe! | 18:20 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 18:20 | |
yvl | looking forward to it! | 18:20 |
aelkner | yes, should be a good week | 18:20 |
yvl | +1 ;) | 18:20 |
replaceafill | thanks everybody | 18:20 |
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aelkner | th1a, ayt? | 18:42 |
th1a | yes. | 18:42 |
aelkner | i forgot to mention, bjork was on Colbert last night | 18:42 |
aelkner | you could catch the rerun at 6:30 tonight | 18:43 |
aelkner | she did an interview and a song, very nice | 18:43 |
th1a | Ah. Thanks. | 18:43 |
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th1a | yvl: ayt? | 19:47 |
th1a | replaceafill: We have both rooms from friday, actually. | 19:47 |
th1a | yvl confused me. | 19:47 |
replaceafill | ah! | 19:47 |
replaceafill | so, i just need to get to the hotel then | 19:48 |
th1a | Yes. | 19:48 |
* replaceafill is looking for url of the hotel | 19:54 | |
replaceafill | got it https://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-rooms/wasca-residence-inn-arlington-courthouse/ | 19:56 |
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TheProf | Good day. I hope everyone is doing well. I need some help please with student demographics in SchoolTool version 2.0 | 20:37 |
TheProf | I was able to successfully create a series of additional demographic points (grade, lunch program yes/no, etc.) but I can't seem to edit these values once I have created the student. | 20:38 |
TheProf | How do I edit the custom demographics? | 20:38 |
replaceafill | TheProf, that bug was recently fixed in the development branch, iirc | 20:38 |
replaceafill | are your fields limited? | 20:39 |
replaceafill | meaning they're just for students or teachers | 20:39 |
TheProf | replaceafill, I'm not too sure what you mean by limited. | 20:39 |
TheProf | Ah - they are just for students | 20:39 |
replaceafill | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/914609 | 20:39 |
replaceafill | that's the bug | 20:39 |
replaceafill | i think it hasn't landed in the repositories yet thought | 20:39 |
replaceafill | *though | 20:40 |
TheProf | Interesting. I've installed on Ubuntu using the PPA - do you recommend I just make the fields unlimited - would that solve it? | 20:40 |
replaceafill | it should | 20:40 |
replaceafill | i remember the bug just hid the limited fields | 20:40 |
replaceafill | only | 20:41 |
TheProf | OK I will try that now thank you. | 20:41 |
TheProf | You are correct - removing the checks from the limiting area resolves the issue. | 20:42 |
TheProf | replaceafill, thank you very much! | 20:42 |
replaceafill | TheProf, np | 20:42 |
replaceafill | you should subscribe to the bug if you can | 20:42 |
replaceafill | to see when it's released :) | 20:43 |
TheProf | A good idea. | 20:43 |
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dogi | ping replaceafill | 23:37 |
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