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| th1a | We lost our IRC message. | 16:29 |
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| replaceafill | ? | 16:30 |
| th1a | Or, whatever you call it. | 16:30 |
| th1a | Channel doohickey. | 16:30 |
| th1a | Hi replaceafill, yvl, menesis. | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | true | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:31 |
| menesis | hi | 16:31 |
| yvl | good morning | 16:31 |
| yvl | and happy New Year everyone ;) | 16:31 |
| th1a | Happy New Year. | 16:32 |
| th1a | OK... | 16:33 |
| th1a | How does everyone feel about a sprint from Feb. 4 - 11? | 16:34 |
| th1a | We're going to have a little more business/planning at the beginning this year, so I think it should be a little longer. | 16:34 |
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| yvl | sounds good, th1a | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 16:35 |
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| th1a | And also we'll probably just get down to more actual hacking on CanDo this year. | 16:35 |
| yvl | that also sounds good ;) | 16:35 |
| th1a | That is, actual programming. | 16:35 |
| th1a | Since we all know the issues more or less, and it will be quicker to make certain decisions while we're there -- particularly about which parts will be ripped out and which will just be refactored a bit. | 16:36 |
| th1a | A lot can be communicated with a point and a groan. | 16:36 |
| menesis | what kind of sprint? | 16:37 |
| th1a | Well, I guess there will be three parts. | 16:37 |
| th1a | And menesis might not be needed for all. | 16:37 |
| th1a | 1) planning the next few years; | 16:37 |
| th1a | (two days) | 16:37 |
| th1a | 2) planning the absorption of CanDo, including some redesign, with the locals (two-three days); | 16:38 |
| th1a | 3) actually doing some coding for 2) (2-3 days). | 16:39 |
| th1a | Make sense? | 16:39 |
| yvl | yes | 16:40 |
| menesis | I was asking -- virtual or flyaway sprint | 16:40 |
| menesis | but as I understand that's physical | 16:40 |
| th1a | Oh, yes, physical. | 16:41 |
| th1a | In Arlington. | 16:41 |
| th1a | We're going to get a suite and also use the Career Center. | 16:41 |
| menesis | oh so. I missed something. | 16:42 |
| menesis | sounds good | 16:42 |
| th1a | Either that or I skipped something. ;-) | 16:42 |
| menesis | will I be needed? | 16:42 |
| th1a | I would say it is optional for you menesis. | 16:43 |
| th1a | I might want to send you to Portugal later in the year for a visit. | 16:43 |
| th1a | Depending. | 16:44 |
| th1a | OK, so... actually give me another day and I'll let you guys know if you have the green light to get flights. | 16:45 |
| yvl | sure | 16:46 |
| menesis | I would love to visit US of course :) but that's expensive, and if I'm not really needed.. | 16:46 |
| menesis | also I don't have the biometric passport needed | 16:46 |
| th1a | tbh I'd say you're mostly not, and I think we'll see each other at some point this year. | 16:47 |
| menesis | ok | 16:47 |
| th1a | Unless you really want to talk about the finer points of competency tracking. ;-) | 16:48 |
| menesis | :) | 16:48 |
| th1a | OK, next point of business: invoices. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Basically, I need your december hours, and then I'll bounce back to you guys your bonuses based on how much is left in the budget. | 16:49 |
| th1a | And then you'll send the real invoices next week. | 16:49 |
| yvl | thanks - I was wondering about what numbers we should put on our invoices :) | 16:50 |
| th1a | OK yvl, where are you picking up your work? | 16:51 |
| yvl | umm | 16:51 |
| yvl | on ajaxy tables and relationship views | 16:52 |
| yvl | simple tables for normal and indexed containers are done | 16:52 |
| yvl | with test cases for each type | 16:53 |
| yvl | mainly using persons table | 16:53 |
| yvl | for /persons, for group view - both members and leaders | 16:53 |
| yvl | now doing the relationship editing part of this | 16:53 |
| yvl | the underlying code is somewhat complex, and it took time to write | 16:54 |
| yvl | but using it is actually really simple | 16:54 |
| yvl | form developers perspective - you should forget table formatter being an adapter | 16:54 |
| yvl | now it's a viewlet+manager, like everything else | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | great :) | 16:55 |
| th1a | You'll have to explain it to aelkner next week (or ideally just write it down somewhere). | 16:55 |
| yvl | or I can show at the sprint | 16:55 |
| yvl | would be much faster | 16:55 |
| yvl | 20 minutes or so | 16:56 |
| th1a | OK, we can just keep aelkner away from it for a few weeks. | 16:56 |
| yvl | right | 16:56 |
| yvl | at the moment I'm roughly on track with the plan | 16:56 |
| yvl | to make all (or at least most) of ST tables ajaxy | 16:56 |
| yvl | and have all relationship views changed before I leave for vacation | 16:57 |
| yvl | I'm not doing some niceness, like spinners now | 16:57 |
| yvl | but they can be quite easily added after views are done | 16:57 |
| yvl | there was some tricky refactoring involved | 16:58 |
| yvl | but now it's the straight line before the finish | 16:58 |
| yvl | or what's the English expression | 16:59 |
| th1a | The home stretch? | 16:59 |
| yvl | yes! | 16:59 |
| yvl | thank you | 16:59 |
| th1a | :-D | 16:59 |
| yvl | oh, I also replaced zc.table up/down arrow images | 16:59 |
| yvl | with simple unicode up/down symbols | 17:00 |
| yvl | (because they were annoying me to no end) | 17:00 |
| yvl | and I would be grateful if you guys restrain from working on table part of the views for few weeks | 17:00 |
| th1a | Oh, thanks. | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | got it | 17:01 |
| yvl | oh | 17:01 |
| yvl | one more tiny thing | 17:01 |
| th1a | Those arrows were one of the last graphic annoyances. | 17:01 |
| yvl | I did a small prototype last year, | 17:01 |
| yvl | devmode, opening jquery pop-up with ZODB browser | 17:02 |
| yvl | for the object you're looking at | 17:02 |
| yvl | so I'll finish and merge that before the sprint | 17:02 |
| yvl | (hopefully) | 17:02 |
| th1a | Ah, nice. | 17:03 |
| yvl | that's it from me | 17:03 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl. | 17:04 |
| th1a | Anything to report menesis? | 17:04 |
| menesis | I have made 2.0.1 releases of everything just before xmas | 17:05 |
| menesis | and uploaded to the ppa for all ubuntu releases last week | 17:05 |
| menesis | this week I have uploaded some zope packages | 17:05 |
| th1a | I guess those are in the book? | 17:05 |
| menesis | and fixed some small stuff in zope upstream | 17:06 |
| menesis | yes, release notes also in the book | 17:06 |
| th1a | ok | 17:06 |
| menesis | http://book.schooltool.org/2.0-release-notes.html#changes | 17:06 |
| menesis | also documented the apache config | 17:07 |
| menesis | added example file to the book | 17:07 |
| menesis | and the schooltool package | 17:07 |
| menesis | installed in /usr/share/doc/schooltool/examples | 17:08 |
| menesis | also updated README.txt and installed it instead of shorter version README.Debian | 17:08 |
| menesis | but that's mostly last days before xmas | 17:08 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:09 |
| th1a | I'm going to send out a "what we've been up to" email today | 17:09 |
| th1a | Thanks menesis. | 17:10 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | last week i worked on a few small bugs | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | ah, but first | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | can you guys access http://69.164.203.135:7080 | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | ? | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | Chandara is having trouble getting to the testing instance | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | and i can see it | 17:12 |
| th1a | I can see it. | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | i'm starting to think it might be the non-default port... | 17:13 |
| th1a | We may need to get him running an instance locally. | 17:13 |
| yvl | oh boy. | 17:13 |
| yvl | old ST :D | 17:13 |
| th1a | Oh, yeah, try that first. | 17:13 |
| menesis | with a default password | 17:13 |
| menesis | >:-) | 17:14 |
| th1a | I should probably send out an email about what the situation is. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Oh, we have all kinds of demos running with default passwords. | 17:14 |
| th1a | That is, what their timeframe is at this point. | 17:15 |
| th1a | replaceafill: You could spend a little time this week just figuring out what we'd have to do to update Cambodia to Flourish -- that is, in particular just discarding what isn't necessary anymore in terms of customizations. | 17:16 |
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| th1a | .. | 17:18 |
| th1a | . | 17:18 |
| th1a | OK yvl, I have grandparents confirmed for the sprint week so let's nail down dates. | 17:19 |
| th1a | I would say you could fly Friday or Saturday. | 17:19 |
| th1a | Depending on cost/preference. | 17:19 |
| yvl | hmm | 17:20 |
| yvl | Fri will be probably cheaper | 17:20 |
| th1a | That'd give you some time to adapt, and Jeff and Dave can take care of you if I arrive Saturday morning. | 17:21 |
| yvl | right | 17:21 |
| yvl | in any case, flight prices might differ so much | 17:21 |
| yvl | that it might be worth flying in even earlier - say, Thu | 17:22 |
| yvl | and taking a hotel | 17:22 |
| yvl | and doing some sight-seeing | 17:22 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:22 |
| yvl | I'll ping our travel agency | 17:22 |
| th1a | You can crash with someone there as well if you'd like. | 17:22 |
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| th1a | I've slept in dwelsh's guest room many times. | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | hello? | 17:23 |
| yvl | :))) | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | testing testing | 17:23 |
| th1a | ahoy replaceafill. | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | lol | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | let me show you something: | 17:23 |
| yvl | ok, I'll get back to you in few days th1a - if it's ok | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1692/pantallazodel2012010409.png | 17:23 |
| th1a | That's fine. | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | damn connection! | 17:24 |
| th1a | lol | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | i was like crazy talking alone :P | 17:24 |
| yvl | :D | 17:24 |
| th1a | I would say that if you don't understand why it is needed it is probably not needed. | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | i can't think of a good use case for it | 17:25 |
| th1a | Passwords should be required in a change password form. | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | i'll take that out then | 17:25 |
| * replaceafill reads the log | 17:27 | |
| th1a | I'd like to have a website tweaking meeting replaceafill. Tomorrow? | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | th1a, sure | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | th1a, should i get to arlington friday night? | 17:28 |
| th1a | This time (i.e. right now) for tomorrow? | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | th1a, sure, i'll be here | 17:28 |
| th1a | replaceafill: that probably makes most sense -- Friday night. | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | th1a, kk | 17:29 |
| th1a | Friday. | 17:30 |
| th1a | Saturday morning probably doesn't work for you. | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | right | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | it's friday night or saturday night | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | i'll book for getting there on friday night then | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | that's it from me (sorry about the failed connection) | 17:31 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. I think I gave you some new bugs right before break. | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | th1a, yes | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | i still have more css fixes to do | 17:31 |
| th1a | kk | 17:32 |
| th1a | OK. I guess that's it. | 17:33 |
| th1a | Have a great week and weekend guys! | 17:33 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:33 | |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:33 |
| yvl | great week to you guys | 17:33 |
| yvl | (and see you soon at the sprint ;) ) | 17:33 |
| th1a | Also: http://www.ifc.com/shows/portlandia | 17:40 |
| th1a | Season Two. | 17:41 |
| th1a | Guess it has been a year. | 17:41 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I think I'll let the current Cambodia thread resolve itself before raising the larger issue. | 18:18 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ah ok | 18:18 |
| th1a | I'm sure things are confused enough as is. | 18:18 |
| th1a | But still, if you could come up with a rough estimate of the changes necessary to flourish them, I'd appreciate it. | 18:19 |
| th1a | That is, assuming that we want the to have the LEAST necessary changes. | 18:19 |
| th1a | changes vis a vis trunk. | 18:19 |
| * replaceafill googles "vis a vis" :) | 18:21 | |
| replaceafill | "in relation to"? :O | 18:21 |
| th1a | I'm probably using it wrong anyhow. | 18:21 |
| th1a | That is, least changes in relation to trunk, not least changes to Cambodia custom version. | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | right, kind of what aelkner did for David Ally, right? | 18:22 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:26 |
| replaceafill | th1a, one thing with the Cambodia version is that we've tried to hide almost everything from them | 18:36 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | if we flourish them some day, i think that decision will go away, right? | 18:36 |
| th1a | Just think about how much of that make sense. | 18:36 |
| th1a | makes sense now. | 18:36 |
| th1a | I mean, is the application sufficiently less confusing that we don't have to hide so much as long as it has the same automatic setup? | 18:39 |
| th1a | (I hope so...) | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | by application, you mean flourish right? | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | i think so | 18:39 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | flourish cambodia should be just the init/startup subscribers, a couple of custom models, the custom group/sections relationships (which could land at some point in standard flourish) and views+reports | 18:41 |
| replaceafill | i'll write down an inventory of these | 18:41 |
| th1a | Yes, that's what I have in mind. Thanks. | 18:43 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 22:45 |
| replaceafill | th1a, nm, sent you email | 22:50 |
| th1a | I see it. | 22:52 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 22:52 |
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