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aelkner | th1a, ayt? | 01:20 |
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th1a | hi aelkner. | 01:42 |
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aelkner | th1a, logging in as manager: | 01:49 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/manage | 01:49 |
aelkner | the add, edit and delete links don't work yet | 01:49 |
aelkner | i just wanted to get the first draft to you for some text edits | 01:50 |
th1a | Looks fine so far. | 01:50 |
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fsufitch | th1a, ping | 02:37 |
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fsufitch | hoffman == th1a ? | 03:43 |
hoffman | Yes. | 03:44 |
fsufitch | oh ok | 03:44 |
fsufitch | i was pinging you to ask if i told you about my eve business venture | 03:44 |
hoffman | No. | 03:44 |
hoffman | What do you have cooking/ | 03:45 |
hoffman | ? | 03:45 |
fsufitch | ship spinning! | 03:45 |
fsufitch | http://shipspinning.com/s/general/faq | 03:46 |
hoffman | Ah. | 03:47 |
hoffman | How's that working out? | 03:47 |
fsufitch | haven't released it yet, will probably release it by the end of the week | 03:48 |
hoffman | I see. | 03:48 |
fsufitch | implementing some last features, like a news section | 03:48 |
fsufitch | i took a survey across jita/amarr/rens/dodixie though, and people seemed reasonably excited | 03:48 |
fsufitch | it's been a nice experiment in learning how web2py works, too | 03:49 |
hoffman | That's a whole area of EVE I don't know anything about. | 03:50 |
fsufitch | what, web2py? | 03:51 |
fsufitch | or gambling? | 03:51 |
hoffman | Gambling. | 03:51 |
fsufitch | like real life, except without the gov't butting in to regulate your massive, massive profits | 03:52 |
fsufitch | somer's blink lottery nets him about a 60% profit per every item he gives out | 03:52 |
hoffman | I believe it. | 03:52 |
fsufitch | i just looked at his lottery, and at eoh poker and other things, and read that slot machines make most of the profit in real life casinos | 03:53 |
fsufitch | eve had no slot machine, so i decided to make it | 03:53 |
hoffman | It is a good idea. | 03:53 |
fsufitch | i'd much rather code for my isk than rat for it | 03:53 |
fsufitch | plus, if this works out, i will be flying (and losing) Republic Fleet fitted Rifters, and making everyone in U'K tear their hair out because of the state of the killboard | 03:54 |
hoffman | aelkner: Are we going to have report card layout tonight? | 04:28 |
aelkner | hopefully tomorrow morning, it's complicated | 04:39 |
aelkner | i did the easy part first | 04:39 |
aelkner | the add/edit views are more involved | 04:39 |
hoffman | Hm... I wonder if we can get the strings done aelkner. | 04:42 |
hoffman | Or if that's a waste of time. | 04:43 |
aelkner | i could focus on getting the forms rendered even if they don't work | 04:45 |
aelkner | then you can make any last adjustments to the text | 04:45 |
hoffman | Let's do that. | 04:45 |
hoffman | I'll be back in a half hour or so. | 04:46 |
aelkner | ok | 04:47 |
th1a | aelkner: I'm going to write the "WiT" for /activity_categories now... | 05:15 |
aelkner | i have the add views rendered now | 05:17 |
aelkner | will have them loaded in a minute | 05:17 |
th1a | kk | 05:17 |
th1a | "The activity categories used in section gradebooks throughout the school are managed from this page. Please edit them to suit the types of assignments and assessements used in your school." | 05:18 |
aelkner | where? | 05:23 |
aelkner | th1a, http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_card_layout | 05:24 |
aelkner | the add links work, the submit button is same as cancel to get you back | 05:24 |
th1a | aelkner: I'm going to write the "WiT" for /activity_categories now... | 05:24 |
aelkner | i need to make/eat some food, so how about another half hour or so? | 05:24 |
aelkner | fourty minutes | 05:25 |
th1a | I guess I can just write this stuff now. | 05:25 |
th1a | change "Columns" to "Grid Columns" | 05:32 |
th1a | And "Outline Activities" to "Outline Items" | 05:38 |
th1a | OK: | 05:46 |
th1a | Use this page to layout a standard report card, pulling data from report sheets and the attendance journal. | 05:46 |
th1a | The standard report card contains grid where each row corresponds to a section and the columns as defined on this page. | 05:46 |
th1a | Below the grid is an outline which loops through each section and the defined outline items laid out like a text outline. This is necessary for comments or other scores that will not fit in a traditional grid. | 05:46 |
th1a | Both the grid and outline layouts are optional; if no columns or items are defined, the whole layout is skipped. | 05:46 |
th1a | The report cards can be generated for an individual person or all the people in a group. | 05:46 |
th1a | In the new column form, just use "Column heading" | 05:51 |
th1a | And "Outline heading" (no "optional alternative") | 05:52 |
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th1a | let me know when you're back aelkner. | 06:05 |
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aelkner | th1a, i'm back | 06:10 |
th1a | The only trick here is that replaceafill and I put some links in the WiT for the report sheets, so we need to do that for the report card too. | 06:11 |
th1a | So put the report card layout wit in as above. | 06:11 |
th1a | It is pretty long. | 06:11 |
th1a | (which ends with "all the people in a group." | 06:11 |
th1a | ) | 06:12 |
aelkner | oh, wit is what is this? duh :) | 06:12 |
th1a | what is what is this? | 06:12 |
aelkner | no, you're saying wit, and i finally figured out that mean 'what is this' | 06:13 |
aelkner | i'm slow that way | 06:13 |
aelkner | so i see that i have studd to do from the log, so i'll ping you when that's done | 06:14 |
aelkner | th1a, what did you mean about the last part, (which ends with "all the people in a group.")? | 06:21 |
aelkner | is that the link that goes at the nd of the wit above? | 06:21 |
th1a | The following is a separate comment aimed at you: | 06:21 |
th1a | In the new column form, just use "Column heading" | 06:21 |
th1a | And "Outline heading" (no "optional alternative") | 06:21 |
th1a | The wit is before that. | 06:22 |
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aelkner | th1a, check this out | 06:38 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_card_layout?schoolyear_id=2009-2010 | 06:38 |
aelkner | i hard-coded it to have empty table messages in 2008-2009 | 06:39 |
th1a | You need a new paragraph for each sentence. | 06:39 |
th1a | The second sentence needs to say "contains A grid" | 06:39 |
th1a | (not caps, ofc) | 06:39 |
aelkner | i thought you were specifying the <p> by the way you broke it up in the log | 06:40 |
aelkner | but ok | 06:40 |
th1a | Well, I did. | 06:40 |
th1a | But you missed it somehow. | 06:40 |
th1a | Actually the sentence starting "This is necessary" does not get is own paragraph. | 06:41 |
th1a | ANd I guess layout is two words as a verb so change that in the first sentence. | 06:42 |
th1a | Now, the links. | 06:43 |
th1a | Start with the wit for http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_sheets | 06:43 |
th1a | See how there's a link there? | 06:44 |
aelkner | where? | 06:44 |
th1a | in the wit | 06:44 |
aelkner | yes | 06:45 |
th1a | now, "standard report card" in the last sentence should link to now, http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_card_layout | 06:45 |
th1a | ANd then in the report card layout wit, make "report sheets" in the first sentence link to http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_sheets | 06:47 |
aelkner | ok | 06:47 |
th1a | You should be able to see how replaceafill did it. | 06:47 |
aelkner | one sec and you'll see it | 06:48 |
aelkner | th1a, http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_sheets | 06:52 |
aelkner | the what is this blocks are all linked now | 06:52 |
aelkner | that's another nice navigation idea | 06:52 |
th1a | We generally don't need it but this is still a multi-step process. | 06:53 |
aelkner | it can't hurt | 06:53 |
aelkner | so where are we? | 06:53 |
th1a | I'd say the empty message for report card layout should be "This report..." not year. | 06:53 |
th1a | The whole thing could be: | 06:54 |
th1a | This report has no grid columns. | 06:54 |
th1a | (and outline) | 06:54 |
th1a | same way. | 06:54 |
th1a | Then wit for http://69.164.203.135:36660/activity_categories as above. | 06:54 |
th1a | And that's it. | 06:54 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_card_layout | 06:56 |
th1a | items is spelled wrong. | 06:57 |
aelkner | th1a, http://69.164.203.135:36660/activity_categories | 07:03 |
aelkner | where is items misspelled? | 07:04 |
th1a | This report has no outline itmes. | 07:04 |
th1a | Make the Activity Categories wit two paragraphs and we're done. | 07:04 |
th1a | I'll send out an email saying the strings are done but the report cards don't quite work yet. | 07:05 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/report_card_layout | 07:06 |
th1a | Cool. | 07:06 |
th1a | You'll have to merge this ofc. | 07:07 |
aelkner | will do | 07:08 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/activity_categories | 07:08 |
aelkner | is that it? | 07:10 |
th1a | Yes. | 07:10 |
th1a | Thank you and good night. | 07:10 |
th1a | Thanks for pushing this through. | 07:10 |
aelkner | cya tomorrow | 07:10 |
aelkner | np, i know how important the timing is | 07:10 |
th1a | Later. | 07:10 |
aks | replaceafill: hi | 07:13 |
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replaceafill | yvl ping | 11:57 |
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yvl | pong, replaceafill | 12:11 |
replaceafill | hey yvl, could you confirm this: | 12:11 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011/q1/sections/1/schedule/addTimetable.html | 12:11 |
replaceafill | KeyError: 'add' | 12:11 |
yvl | one sec... | 12:13 |
yvl | confirmed | 12:15 |
replaceafill | kk | 12:16 |
* yvl wonders when *that* got broke | 12:16 | |
* replaceafill too | 12:16 | |
yvl | it does suck working without tests | 12:16 |
replaceafill | yes, we've had several regressions now | 12:17 |
replaceafill | there are more in the gradebook :( | 12:17 |
yvl | true. | 12:19 |
yvl | thanks for noticing, replaceafill | 12:19 |
replaceafill | selenium ftw ;) | 12:20 |
replaceafill | :| | 12:57 |
replaceafill | grep -r "legend = '" parts/omelette/schooltool/ | wc -l | 12:57 |
replaceafill | 15 | 12:57 |
* replaceafill sighs... | 12:58 | |
yvl | :) | 13:04 |
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th1a | OH... didn't hit SEND on my email to yvl and menesis last night! | 14:55 |
yvl | hey th1a | 14:56 |
th1a | Hey. | 14:56 |
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th1a | hi menesis. | 16:40 |
th1a | I forgot to press send on my email to you last night. | 16:40 |
menesis | hi | 16:40 |
menesis | one thing I wanted to ask | 16:41 |
menesis | maybe it is a good time to change Section to Class? | 16:42 |
th1a | Oohhhh. | 16:42 |
th1a | I haven't really been able to pull the trigger on that. | 16:42 |
th1a | Which is not to say I'm against it. | 16:43 |
th1a | It seems like a lot of work... | 16:43 |
th1a | How would you do it, menesis. | 16:44 |
th1a | ? | 16:44 |
th1a | It terms of just changing all the strings? | 16:44 |
menesis | Well ok. You said you are happy with the language | 16:44 |
menesis | Only strings . Renaming objects is difficult | 16:45 |
th1a | Right, assuming we're not renaming objects. | 16:45 |
th1a | I mean, the question is is THIS a good time, or was the good time three months ago? | 16:47 |
menesis | Ok it is too late | 16:48 |
th1a | OK. | 16:48 |
th1a | It was really one more conversation than I wanted to have. | 16:48 |
th1a | We probably should have, but what is done is done. | 16:49 |
menesis | Good | 16:49 |
replaceafill | th1a today i was thinking about focusing on issues like: | 16:51 |
replaceafill | * section add form should display term errors next to widgets | 16:51 |
replaceafill | * show errors next to password field in person add view | 16:51 |
replaceafill | is that ok? | 16:51 |
th1a | Pretty much everyone can sweep up whatever's left on the floor. | 16:51 |
replaceafill | kk | 16:52 |
th1a | For the next few days. | 16:52 |
th1a | menesis: Is there anything blocking you I should know about? | 16:52 |
menesis | No one else is blocking me | 16:53 |
th1a | OK. ;-) | 16:54 |
menesis | I still have to deal with older translations | 16:54 |
th1a | Meaning? | 16:54 |
menesis | Merge what is translated in launchpad | 16:55 |
menesis | Before pushing a new template | 16:55 |
th1a | OK. | 16:55 |
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menesis | aelkner: looks to me that you left some debug code in gradebook report_card.py | 19:09 |
menesis | if '2010' in self.schoolyear.title: | 19:09 |
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aelkner | replaceafill, ayt? | 20:23 |
replaceafill | aelkner yes | 20:23 |
aelkner | i must have hissed a conversation about removing css and js from gradebook | 20:24 |
aelkner | what was the reason for removing it completely, i understand moving popup and other things like grid | 20:24 |
aelkner | but having a hole where someone can place css or js seemed sensible | 20:25 |
aelkner | why remove it? | 20:25 |
replaceafill | aelkner so the journal can use it without depending on the gradebook | 20:25 |
replaceafill | and someday maybe cando... | 20:25 |
aelkner | that' te reason for moving the popup and grid css | 20:25 |
aelkner | not for removing the resource library | 20:26 |
replaceafill | aelkner we can put the library back but there are no resources right now for it right now | 20:26 |
aelkner | yeah, but it took time to put it in, time to take it out, now time again to put it in | 20:26 |
aelkner | whenever that case comes up | 20:27 |
aelkner | i'm just saying, we don't need to invent things to do | 20:27 |
aelkner | but i realize also, that empty files would be stupid | 20:27 |
replaceafill | aelkner we can put it back *easily*... | 20:27 |
aelkner | so i guess it's a moot point | 20:27 |
aelkner | yeah, well, it takes me time to figure that stuff out when the time comes | 20:28 |
aelkner | no big deal | 20:28 |
replaceafill | i thought about putting a placeholder file, but i didnt see the point | 20:29 |
replaceafill | kk | 20:29 |
aelkner | well, we already had a placeholder file by doing nothing at all! | 20:29 |
aelkner | but one thing is clear, the fact that we don't need those files is proof that we did something very good | 20:30 |
replaceafill | :/ | 20:30 |
aelkner | when you moved those rules to core | 20:30 |
aelkner | it could be the caswe that we never need anything in gradebook that isn't already in core | 20:30 |
aelkner | that would be ideal | 20:30 |
replaceafill | someday... :) | 20:30 |
aelkner | i meant the css and js, which is already the case | 20:31 |
aelkner | and may never need to change, that's what i was saying | 20:31 |
replaceafill | well, we still have different templates for the gradebooks | 20:32 |
aelkner | if we can keep our concepts general enough, then plugins can always use core for css js | 20:32 |
replaceafill | i hope we can fix that someday... | 20:32 |
aelkner | yes, those should be in core | 20:32 |
aelkner | that would be the time to refactor gradebook internals i think | 20:32 |
replaceafill | +1 | 20:32 |
aelkner | when we have time, after the pressure of the release is less | 20:32 |
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replaceafill | after we have tests :D | 20:33 |
aelkner | tests and refactoring would probably fix more than half the bugfixes that will come in post release | 20:33 |
aelkner | before they even come in :) | 20:33 |
replaceafill | btw, dont forget the regression in the summary worksheet | 20:33 |
replaceafill | you're fixing that, right? | 20:33 |
aelkner | regression | 20:34 |
aelkner | what's that | 20:34 |
replaceafill | the summary worksheet used to work, it doesnt now | 20:34 |
aelkner | ah, so it regressed to not working :) | 20:34 |
aelkner | interesting use of the language | 20:34 |
replaceafill | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Software_regression | 20:35 |
aelkner | does that mean it returned to the former not working state that it enjoyed | 20:35 |
aelkner | before some idiot came along and fixed it? :) | 20:35 |
replaceafill | ¬¬ | 20:35 |
replaceafill | ah also, one of the activity forms has the same issue | 20:36 |
replaceafill | linked column | 20:36 |
aelkner | cool, thanks for the reminders | 20:37 |
aelkner | replaceafill, btw, way to know your gook speak with the software regression reference | 20:39 |
aelkner | geek | 20:39 |
aelkner | my god, what a stupid type that is | 20:39 |
aelkner | typo | 20:39 |
aelkner | i hate typing! | 20:40 |
replaceafill | :D | 20:40 |
* replaceafill is used to aelkner's typos | 20:40 | |
aelkner | and he appreciates your patience :) | 20:40 |
replaceafill | aelkner i'll put the resource library back in the gradebook, i need to move css specific rules out of core | 20:44 |
replaceafill | and we won't need to register it again :) | 20:45 |
replaceafill | aelkner did you get menesis comment on: | 20:47 |
replaceafill | if '2010' in self.schoolyear.title: | 20:47 |
replaceafill | th1a zyt? | 20:55 |
replaceafill | css changes pushed to trunk and gradebook | 21:07 |
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th1a | aelkner, ayt? | 21:46 |
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replaceafill | menesis due to a fight with buildout i used schooltool/1.4 for the cando related fixes | 22:06 |
replaceafill | but the changes can be easily ported to schooltool/1.5 | 22:07 |
replaceafill | do you want me to port them? | 22:07 |
menesis | hmm | 22:08 |
menesis | to be honest, yes | 22:09 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 22:09 |
replaceafill | will port them now then | 22:09 |
th1a | menesis: btw, I told aelkner to push his code even though it wasn't quite done last night because we at least had the strings done. Whether it is of any use to you in that form, I don't know. | 22:09 |
menesis | 1.5 is an old trunk, where 1.4 has a lot of backports | 22:09 |
replaceafill | menesis ah | 22:10 |
menesis | th1a: no problem for me, not making releases yet | 22:10 |
replaceafill | menesis th1a i was also thinking that these fixes should be applied to flourish | 22:11 |
replaceafill | Allowed non-integer values for course credits (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/488376) | 22:12 |
replaceafill | Add School Year copies all course attributes (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/785994) | 22:12 |
menesis | FYI, there are 100 more strings in gradebook flourish branch than trunk | 22:12 |
replaceafill | :| | 22:12 |
replaceafill | wow | 22:12 |
replaceafill | the "What is This?" :D | 22:12 |
menesis | replaceafill: of course, your branch will be merged everywhere where needed. I just asked you to branch off an older trunk to make merging easier | 22:13 |
replaceafill | menesis got it | 22:14 |
replaceafill | th1a any ideas on how to style the two dropdowns here http://69.164.203.135:6660/schooltool.requirement.scoresystem_container/add.html | 22:17 |
replaceafill | i was thinking about putting a fieldset titled "Passing Score" or something | 22:18 |
replaceafill | and use the paragraph as a hint maybe | 22:18 |
th1a | Oh. Yes. | 22:18 |
replaceafill | "Passing Score" | 22:18 |
replaceafill | Type: | 22:18 |
replaceafill | <hint> | 22:18 |
replaceafill | [dropdown] | 22:18 |
th1a | I have no thoughts, so that sounds fine. | 22:18 |
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replaceafill | oopps each edit of a merge request produces a single email... sorry for the flood :) | 22:28 |
replaceafill | th1a thoughts? http://69.164.203.135:6660/schooltool.requirement.scoresystem_container/add.html | 22:36 |
replaceafill | maybe a hint for describing the initially empty Passing Score dropdown.... | 22:36 |
th1a | "The minimum or maximum score necessary for a student to pass a course or assessment." | 22:43 |
th1a | ? | 22:43 |
th1a | That's the kind of redundant hint I try to avoid. | 22:43 |
replaceafill | well, i just wanted one that explained that you must enter values in the table for the menu to have options | 22:44 |
th1a | typo "leave it AS the "Minimum" passing score." | 22:44 |
replaceafill | fixed | 22:45 |
th1a | Uh... | 22:45 |
th1a | I don't know. | 22:45 |
th1a | Any ideas for the wording? | 22:45 |
replaceafill | or we can leave it with no hint ;) | 22:45 |
replaceafill | select a value from the scores previously entered... yikes... | 22:45 |
th1a | You cannot set a minimum score unless you have entered scores? | 22:46 |
replaceafill | hhmm i'll leave it empty, if that's ok :) | 22:46 |
replaceafill | we have the book anyway ;) | 22:46 |
replaceafill | at least it looks better than the first version | 22:47 |
th1a | Yes, thanks. | 22:48 |
replaceafill | i'm hunting for weird styles, let me know if you remember of a page that needs love | 22:48 |
th1a | My brain is kind of mush. | 22:49 |
replaceafill | :) | 22:49 |
replaceafill | np | 22:49 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/persons/add.html | 22:50 |
replaceafill | check the Demographics fieldset | 22:50 |
replaceafill | (sorry for pushing you...) | 22:50 |
replaceafill | should we add a condition of not render it if there are no demo fields? | 22:50 |
replaceafill | menesis oops!!! | 22:53 |
replaceafill | * Leave absences/tardies columns empty instead of showing 0 | 22:53 |
replaceafill | i changed the journal to render 0 following the gradebook :( | 22:53 |
replaceafill | and used N/A for the average column | 22:54 |
menesis | well... I changed this quietly before doing gradebook 0.9.1 release | 22:54 |
menesis | but it seems no one has seen gradebook trunk in a while | 22:54 |
th1a | Oh, what? | 22:54 |
menesis | and I only now merged it to flourish | 22:55 |
replaceafill | menesis i havent :( | 22:55 |
replaceafill | i just remembered the score refactoring until i saw your merge... | 22:55 |
th1a | What are you referring to here, replaceafill? * Leave absences/tardies columns empty instead of showing 0 | 22:55 |
menesis | th1a: I have changed the new columns in gradebook | 22:56 |
replaceafill | th1a it's a part of a commit from menesis | 22:56 |
menesis | absences and tardies columns to be empty | 22:56 |
menesis | I am surprised I left average N/A instead of also being empty | 22:56 |
replaceafill | i should sync the journal to do the same then | 22:57 |
menesis | these are all columns in gradebook | 22:57 |
th1a | OOh | 22:57 |
th1a | Wait wait. | 22:57 |
menesis | th1a: what you think? | 22:57 |
th1a | I have to go. | 22:57 |
menesis | replaceafill: wait till it settles | 22:57 |
replaceafill | menesis kk | 22:58 |
th1a | Look... a 0 in the journal is an affirmative statement. | 22:58 |
th1a | Let me look at this later. | 22:58 |
th1a | I've got to run. | 22:58 |
replaceafill | th1a kk | 22:58 |
menesis | no absences. | 22:58 |
replaceafill | i'll bring it up in tomorrow's meeting :) | 22:59 |
* replaceafill goes to take a shower | 23:00 | |
* menesis goes to bed | 23:00 | |
menesis | replaceafill, aelkner: maybe you want to uncommit the last three commits that removed and then added the css back? | 23:01 |
replaceafill | menesis ah ok, i will | 23:01 |
menesis | there is my commit in the middle, don't worry about it | 23:01 |
replaceafill | it was my fault | 23:01 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 23:02 |
replaceafill | menesis is it just a matter of: | 23:02 |
replaceafill | bzr uncommit <to revision> | 23:02 |
replaceafill | then | 23:02 |
replaceafill | bzr push | 23:02 |
replaceafill | ? | 23:02 |
menesis | bzr uncommit -r 337.. | 23:03 |
menesis | bzr push --overwrite | 23:03 |
replaceafill | ah! | 23:03 |
replaceafill | got it | 23:03 |
replaceafill | was wondering about how to overwrite ;) | 23:03 |
menesis | aelkner has merged this already, so he has to uncommit the 'sync with trunk', too | 23:03 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 23:04 |
menesis | no big deal. | 23:04 |
menesis | ok bye | 23:04 |
replaceafill | bye menesis | 23:04 |
replaceafill | using --overwrite on trunk makes me uneasy... | 23:23 |
replaceafill | ah what the hell, i'll blame bzr... or menesis :D | 23:24 |
replaceafill | aelkner let me know if you need help getting your gradebook branch on sync | 23:26 |
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