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| th1a | hi aelkner, replaceafill. | 16:31 |
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| replaceafill | good morning | 16:31 |
| th1a | Oh yeah, it is a holiday in Vilnius. | 16:31 |
| th1a | So this will be short... | 16:32 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:33 |
| th1a | You and I need to actually look at the Journal. More precisely, I need you to point me to old and new ones if we | 16:33 |
| th1a | have them yet. | 16:33 |
| aelkner | th1a, i have nothing to report this morning | 16:34 |
| aelkner | i've started on the worksheets view, but can't show you it yet | 16:34 |
| th1a | Short meeting! | 16:34 |
| aelkner | how about this afternoon? | 16:34 |
| th1a | I'll be around. | 16:34 |
| aelkner | ok, cool, i'd like to go back to sleep now if i may | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:9990/schoolyears/2010/semester-1/sections/1/journal | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | tom:tom | 16:35 |
| th1a | You may, aelkner. | 16:35 |
| th1a | Good night. | 16:35 |
| aelkner | thanks, cya this afternoon... | 16:35 |
| th1a | Oh God, we can finally get rid of (fix) that legend hanging over there. | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:36 |
| th1a | I guess there is not much to this, screen-wise. | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | th1a just a question | 16:37 |
| th1a | Now... replaceafill, I have an important message for you. | 16:37 |
| th1a | The priority here is making the new journal look like the new gradebook, not making the new journal look like the old one. | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | right | 16:37 |
| th1a | Any odd details here are things requested by long-gone Lithuanian teachers. | 16:38 |
| th1a | So... numbers? I don't think we need them. | 16:38 |
| th1a | etc... | 16:38 |
| th1a | Your question? | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | numbers? | 16:38 |
| th1a | The first column | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | kk | 16:38 |
| th1a | Sorry, that wasn't clear. | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | my question is related to popups | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | the gradebook has popups for the activity titles for example | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | are we doing the same for the journal? | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | with the same options | 16:39 |
| th1a | You mean the a titles? | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | for example, it doesnt make sense to move a date right? | 16:39 |
| th1a | Oh, right. | 16:40 |
| th1a | I don't think we need the column menus. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | and the "current" journal doesnt have a view to grade just one day | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | like the gradebook does | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | or to grade just one student like the gradebook does | 16:40 |
| th1a | Yeah, you don't need those. | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | i also think First name, Last name become just one column, right? | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | "Last name, first name" | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | like in the gradebook | 16:41 |
| th1a | Yeah. You don't really need to sort attendance by first name. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Well, unless that's your surname. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | and it doesnt have preferences view for average, absences and tardies | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | sorry, i meant, for hiding or customizing those columns | 16:42 |
| th1a | Which is not a journal bug but maybe a SchoolTool bug. I don't know if. | 16:42 |
| th1a | I'm just pondering moving them to left for consistency. | 16:43 |
| th1a | But I don't really like them at right in the gradebook either. | 16:43 |
| th1a | Do you think, by the way, that we could lock columns at left and right? | 16:43 |
| th1a | aelkner didn't seem to want to touch it. | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | yes, it's possible | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | the frozen panels are absolute positioned | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | we just need to create the second frozen panel and put it on the "right" | 16:45 |
| th1a | I would like that. Maybe you can sneak it in while aelkner is asleep. | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | ah sure, i can start with that | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | are we doing that on the "preferences" columns? | 16:46 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:46 |
| th1a | Typically those would be at right in your gradebook. | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | kk, i'll start with that after having breakfast :) | 16:47 |
| th1a | Cool. | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | will ping you when i have it | 16:48 |
| th1a | kk | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:7777/schoolyears/2010-2011/20102011/sections/1/activities/Worksheet/gradebook/index.html | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner:jelkner | 17:08 |
| th1a | ? | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | frozen panel to the right | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | can you see it? | 17:11 |
| th1a | I needed to reload CSS (or whatever). | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | ah yes, i added a style | 17:11 |
| th1a | Yeah, like that. | 17:11 |
| th1a | Nice. | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | hide some preferences to test :) | 17:12 |
| th1a | Nice. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | you know, maybe for next release | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | i'd like the scrollbar to scroll only on activities | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | i mean, it seems like it does | 17:15 |
| th1a | I guess that would be proper. | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | i can give it a try after i finish the gradebook ;) | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | i mean, the journal | 17:16 |
| th1a | Cool. | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:7777/schoolyears/2010-2011/20102011/sections/1/activities/And%20more%20worksheets/gradebook | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | we may need a "background" table for that case | 17:18 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:26 |
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| fsufitch | aelkner, ping | 18:20 |
| fsufitch | th1a, ping? | 18:22 |
| th1a | pong | 18:22 |
| fsufitch | do you have any way of contacting jelkner when he's not at his computer? | 18:22 |
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| th1a | Cell phone? | 18:23 |
| fsufitch | i accidentally slept in today, and i was going to get right to work, except it seems i lost my netbook's power cord | 18:23 |
| fsufitch | heh, iirc he doesn't use cell phones | 18:23 |
| th1a | Yeah... I don't think I have his cell. | 18:29 |
| fsufitch | alright, i guess i just have to drive over there | 18:30 |
| fsufitch | ttyl | 18:30 |
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| * replaceafill wants to cheat and use a table of tables for the gradebook :) | 18:31 | |
| th1a | As opposed to divs? | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | yes | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | the thing is | 18:31 |
| th1a | It IS a table. | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | hhmm nope | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | it is *3* tables! | 18:31 |
| th1a | I mean, platonically. | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | ah | 18:31 |
| replaceafill | this is what i want to do | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | a super table with 3 columsn | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | 1 column for the names | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | 3 column for the 4 totals | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | and 2 column for the activities | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | the 3 columns would contain tables inside | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | that way | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | if the user hide some totals | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | the second column adjusts itself | 18:33 |
| replaceafill | and we don't need javascript to calculate width | 18:33 |
| th1a | I don't care about the details. | 18:33 |
| replaceafill | :) | 18:33 |
| replaceafill | kk | 18:33 |
| th1a | Is it all divs now? | 18:33 |
| replaceafill | yes, divs with tables | 18:33 |
| th1a | Divs AND tables. | 18:34 |
| replaceafill | the supertable wouldnt need absolute positioning either | 18:34 |
| th1a | What's the argument against this other than "tables are bad?" | 18:34 |
| replaceafill | that's why i said i want to cheat ;) | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | i'll try it out | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | wont take much time | 18:36 |
| th1a | kk | 18:36 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, what's going on with the gradebook? | 19:47 |
| aelkner | are you changing it to have frozen cols to the right? | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:47 |
| th1a | While aelkner slept... | 19:47 |
| aelkner | do you have a link i can visit? | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | aelkner not at the moment | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | i'm making some changes | 19:48 |
| aelkner | th1a, i wonder whether this is going to be so clear for the user | 19:49 |
| aelkner | i mean what example of a program do we have that locks cls on left AND right? | 19:49 |
| aelkner | how does the user know that there is stuf hididn under the cols to the right? | 19:50 |
| aelkner | i guess i just need to see it | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | if i got it right, there shouldnt be hidden columns at the right | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | and the scrollbar should be applied only to the grades area | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | that's what i'm working on | 19:51 |
| aelkner | i see | 19:51 |
| aelkner | ok, ping me when you have a link i can look at | 19:51 |
| replaceafill | k | 19:51 |
| th1a | Ideally, also the user should be able to shift them from pinned left to pinned right. | 19:51 |
| * th1a didn't make that clear to replaceafill... | 19:51 | |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 19:51 |
| th1a | But I'd rather have them pinned only right than only left. | 19:51 |
| replaceafill | th1a how? preferences? | 19:51 |
| th1a | in the menu. | 19:52 |
| th1a | The preferences screen is going away anyhow. | 19:52 |
| replaceafill | ah | 19:52 |
| replaceafill | ok, the user uses the popup, but we store the value as preference? | 19:54 |
| replaceafill | making it global for all the worksheets btw | 19:54 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:56 |
| replaceafill | and since we don't have that preference yet, right position is the default, correct? | 19:57 |
| replaceafill | this blows my width idea for the panels :''''( | 19:57 |
| replaceafill | but it's possible :) | 19:57 |
| replaceafill | the width needs to move from the panel to the column... | 19:58 |
| th1a | Well... | 20:03 |
| replaceafill | yes yes, details :) | 20:03 |
| th1a | I'd rather have a clean right only implementation than a hackier choice. | 20:03 |
| replaceafill | ah, cool | 20:03 |
| replaceafill | i'll finish the right only then | 20:03 |
| th1a | We'll have to switch to alternating colors for the rows. | 20:17 |
| replaceafill | ah, ok | 20:18 |
| aelkner | th1a, replaceafill, could we please have the zero font for the gradebook match the font of the sidebar links? | 20:41 |
| aelkner | we already can get it to be smaller if we want | 20:41 |
| aelkner | need that be the default size? | 20:41 |
| th1a | No. | 20:41 |
| th1a | aelkner, you get a vote after you buy glasses. | 20:42 |
| th1a | Or, more precisely, after you get a prescription. | 20:42 |
| replaceafill | it surprised me yesterday when i asked jelkner about the font size | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | and he said it was ok | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | i was expecting "it's too small" | 20:58 |
| aelkner | well, if it's just me, then i withdrawl my request | 21:12 |
| replaceafill | i agree with you aelkner | 21:13 |
| aelkner | ah, well, time will tell how the user-base reacts | 21:16 |
| replaceafill | aelkner could you help me with something? | 21:36 |
| replaceafill | aelkner never mind, just thought of something | 21:37 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, what was it? | 21:39 |
| replaceafill | hold on, let me show you | 21:39 |
| replaceafill | aelkner http://69.164.203.135:7777/schoolyears/2010-2011/20102011/sections/1/activities/Worksheet/gradebook/index.html | 21:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner:jelkner | 21:41 |
| replaceafill | i was looking for a way to calculate the width of the totals part | 21:42 |
| aelkner | yes, the scroll bar makes it clear what can scroll | 21:42 |
| replaceafill | and i dont wanted to use js for that | 21:42 |
| replaceafill | so i was thinking of a way to return how many preferences columns we're showing | 21:42 |
| replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:7777/schoolyears/2010-2011/20102011/sections/1/activities/Worksheet/gradebook/index.html | 21:43 |
| aelkner | holy cow, the worksheets tertiary scrolls | 21:43 |
| replaceafill | vertically :( | 21:43 |
| replaceafill | we need it horizontal ;) | 21:43 |
| aelkner | yeah, and if you choose one on the second row, it stil only shows the first row :( | 21:43 |
| aelkner | in other words, you don't see the current worksheet | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | yep | 21:44 |
| aelkner | that same problem would happen horizontally, no? | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | anyway, i think i'll use js to set the width of the grades part | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | aelkner good point | 21:44 |
| aelkner | does js allow or setting the scroll position, i would think it would | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | aelkner yes | 21:45 |
| aelkner | if so, we'd need to do that on load | 21:45 |
| * th1a is back. | 21:59 | |
| th1a | I think we should crunch the tertiary navigation rather than scroll it. | 21:59 |
| aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2010-2011/20102011/sections/1/activities/Fourth/gradebook | 22:04 |
| aelkner | i added a Worksheets link to Settings | 22:04 |
| aelkner | It renders pencils that don't do anything useful yet | 22:05 |
| aelkner | but check out the action of changing the order or hiding, any change happens immediately | 22:05 |
| th1a | Seems good so far. | 22:05 |
| aelkner | do we want a modal for changing the title of the worksheet, i.e., the pencil action? | 22:06 |
| th1a | That would be fine. | 22:07 |
| th1a | Hopefully we've gotten to the point that it is straightforward to do it that way. | 22:07 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, do we have another example of modal for title change that you can recall? | 22:07 |
| replaceafill | aelkner no | 22:08 |
| th1a | It wouldn't seem to have any unique characteristics. | 22:08 |
| aelkner | it's just that we haven't gotten around to writing any modals other than delete confirmation | 22:09 |
| aelkner | isn't that right, replaceafill? | 22:09 |
| replaceafill | report requests? | 22:09 |
| replaceafill | section linkage? | 22:09 |
| aelkner | that's modal? | 22:09 |
| replaceafill | yes | 22:10 |
| th1a | If you can't do anything else, it is modal. | 22:10 |
| aelkner | ah, and you tackled the whole modal-styling issues with that, right | 22:10 |
| replaceafill | aelkner no, not yet | 22:10 |
| replaceafill | you'll see the XXX about it | 22:11 |
| aelkner | ok, i'll look | 22:11 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, FlourishSectionLinkageView is derived from Page | 22:13 |
| replaceafill | oh sorry, look for extend section | 22:13 |
| aelkner | ah, ok | 22:13 |
| replaceafill | FlourishExtendTermView | 22:14 |
| replaceafill | FlourishUnlinkSectionView | 22:14 |
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