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| th1a | hey aelkner. | 03:00 |
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| aelkner | hey | 03:02 |
| th1a | Do I have your skype id? | 03:02 |
| aelkner | the same as always | 03:02 |
| th1a | OK just a sec. | 03:03 |
| aelkner | i don't see you signed in | 03:03 |
| th1a | Hm. Weird. | 03:04 |
| th1a | http://www.speedtest.net/ | 03:16 |
| th1a | http://codebrewery.blogspot.com/2011/01/memu-simple-css-javascript-jquery-menu.html | 03:26 |
| th1a | http://69.164.203.135:7081/schoolyears/2011/2011/sections/1/activities/Worksheet/gradebook | 03:41 |
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| asharma | th1a, are you here? | 18:47 |
| asharma | replaceafill, are you here? | 18:47 |
| replaceafill | asharma yes | 18:48 |
| asharma | replaceafill, this is jelkner, masquarading as asharma | 18:48 |
| asharma | but she is here | 18:48 |
| replaceafill | :) | 18:48 |
| asharma | ready to start her senior experience | 18:48 |
| replaceafill | nice! | 18:48 |
| asharma | her first task is translating the ST book into Nepali | 18:49 |
| asharma | (actually a huge task, so I don't know what else she will accomplish ;-) | 18:49 |
| asharma | so, mattva01 is having a great deal of difficulty downloading the book | 18:49 |
| asharma | we already setup Nepali language support | 18:49 |
| asharma | and installed bzr | 18:50 |
| asharma | now we need the book source | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | why is it difficult to download? | 18:50 |
| asharma | jelkner turns over the keyboard to /me | 18:50 |
| asharma | (asharma) | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | :) | 18:50 |
| menesis | https://code.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/st-book | 18:50 |
| menesis | is the book source | 18:51 |
| replaceafill | yes | 18:51 |
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| mattva01 | ignore jelkner, he wasn't paying attention :p | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | :D | 18:53 |
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| mattva01 | it wasn't branching properly due to our schools firewall, so I had to branch on an external vm and move it manuall :p | 18:53 |
| jelkner | th1a, i just left you a voice message at home | 18:54 |
| menesis | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/st-book | 18:56 |
| menesis | will use http that no firewall is blocking | 18:56 |
| menesis | or enable port 22 (SSH) on the firewall | 18:58 |
| mattva01 | yeah, I wasn't sure if launchpad still supported http branching | 18:58 |
| mattva01 | it's not that 22 isn't allowed, but it's semi broken , and breaks in the middle of connections | 18:59 |
| mattva01 | I took care of it already, it just took me a sec | 18:59 |
| mattva01 | speaking of which, launchpad needs to advertise the non "lp:" url, they used to , but now they don't :( | 19:00 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, did you meet anyone from OLE Nepal in Uruguay? | 19:05 |
| replaceafill | nope | 19:05 |
| replaceafill | just Tony Anderson | 19:05 |
| jelkner | Who is Tony Anderson? | 19:05 |
| replaceafill | he's helped with the Rwanda and Nepal deployments | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | but as a volunteer | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | not part of OLE Nepal | 19:06 |
| jelkner | got it | 19:07 |
| jelkner | at one point i thought someone from OLE Nepal was going | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | me too, but i asked Abhishek and he said they were busy with their training | 19:08 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, when do you talk to abhishek? what time is he usually on this channel? | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | 1 am - 3 am your time | 19:12 |
| jelkner | he sent asharma a google doc with part of the book translated | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | ah yes, i saw | 19:12 |
| jelkner | we were about to set her up with sphinx | 19:13 |
| jelkner | but it seems that google doc will work better for her | 19:13 |
| jelkner | i just wanted to confirm with Abhishek that is how he wants her to work | 19:13 |
| jelkner | today is infrastructure day | 19:13 |
| jelkner | we want to get her started right so we don't waste time | 19:14 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, asharma is now waiting to hear back from abhishek about where she should start with the ST book, so we are working on task 2: tranlating ST itself | 19:38 |
| jelkner | we need to set her up with a launchpad account | 19:38 |
| jelkner | and she uses rosetta to translate the strings, yes? | 19:39 |
| jelkner | most of napali has already been done | 19:39 |
| jelkner | but she is looking for untranslated strings, yes? | 19:39 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner i think the book can't be translated using rosetta | 19:55 |
| replaceafill | it's not like source code where you extract messages, it's just text | 19:55 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i got that | 20:06 |
| jelkner | her second task is translation for ST propoer | 20:06 |
| jelkner | *that* is where rosetta comes in | 20:06 |
| replaceafill | ah | 20:06 |
| replaceafill | yes | 20:06 |
| jelkner | and since you did the spanish translation | 20:06 |
| jelkner | i figured you know how that works | 20:06 |
| replaceafill | https://translations.launchpad.net/schooltool/trunk/+pots/schooltool/ne/+translate | 20:07 |
| replaceafill | nepali messages for trunk | 20:07 |
| jelkner | i think asharma is already there | 20:09 |
| jelkner | she is a quick study! | 20:10 |
| asharma | yup! I'm there | 20:10 |
| jelkner | asharma, if you have any questions about how launchpad works for translations, replaceafill has done this before | 20:13 |
| th1a | jelkner: OK, I'm back. | 20:23 |
| th1a | hi asharma. | 20:24 |
| asharma | hi th1a | 20:25 |
| th1a | My understanding is that there is a partial Nepali translation of the SchoolTool book? | 20:26 |
| asharma | Yes there is | 20:27 |
| th1a | Do you have a copy of that? | 20:27 |
| asharma | but it is in google docs | 20:27 |
| asharma | I do have a copy of it | 20:27 |
| th1a | Is there a URL for that? | 20:28 |
| asharma | https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B-8SROKW_vg5MWQ5OGEyZTUtODkxNy00ZmYzLWJiMGYtMjdlNzY5MWFjNWEx&hl=en_US&authkey=COzux5oH | 20:28 |
| th1a | Oh, nice. | 20:30 |
| asharma | I looked at it against this http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/ . It's missing sections like exporting and importing from spreadsheet | 20:30 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:30 |
| th1a | Have you know about Selenium IDE? | 20:31 |
| th1a | Do you know, that is. | 20:31 |
| asharma | umm no, not really | 20:32 |
| th1a | That's what I use to generate the screenshots. | 20:33 |
| th1a | It essentially lets you script a browser session. | 20:33 |
| asharma | oh cool | 20:33 |
| th1a | Actually... you could help me with that... | 20:34 |
| th1a | Now that I think about it. | 20:34 |
| asharma | sure | 20:34 |
| th1a | Do you know how to use bzr? | 20:34 |
| asharma | no... | 20:35 |
| asharma | I could play around with it | 20:35 |
| asharma | can't we use a text editor for translating? | 20:37 |
| th1a | To be honest, I don't know much about the actual translation process, especially to non-latin alphabets. | 20:38 |
| th1a | Perhaps there is someone on your end who can get you started with bzr -- it is the version control system we use -- or you can look at http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/ | 20:40 |
| th1a | Are you working on Linux? | 20:41 |
| th1a | Anyway, you need it to get my script at: https://code.launchpad.net/~tom-hoffman/+junk/image-generator | 20:43 |
| th1a | Actually using it will take some additional setup. | 20:53 |
| replaceafill | th1a you around? | 21:08 |
| th1a | I am around. | 21:08 |
| th1a | Did you look at Chandara's problem? | 21:09 |
| replaceafill | i'm on it, it's definitely a formatting issue | 21:09 |
| replaceafill | but now, i have a question | 21:09 |
| replaceafill | should we allow them to delete things? our delete vs hiding story is still confusing for me | 21:09 |
| th1a | Which things? | 21:09 |
| replaceafill | Shifts | 21:10 |
| replaceafill | they're related with classes | 21:10 |
| th1a | Well, if deleting them might destroy their data structure, perhaps not. | 21:10 |
| th1a | You'll have to take the support calls. ;-) | 21:10 |
| replaceafill | so, no user errors are allowed | 21:10 |
| th1a | There are errors and ERRORS. | 21:11 |
| replaceafill | :D | 21:11 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking what if they enter a shift twice (by accident or something) | 21:11 |
| replaceafill | but yes, not deleting is probably safer | 21:11 |
| th1a | To be honest I don't remember exactly what a shift is. | 21:11 |
| replaceafill | ah, it's jus a period of time for the class "Morning 8:00 - 12:00" | 21:12 |
| replaceafill | "Afternoon 14:00 - 18:00" etc | 21:12 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, ping | 21:12 |
| jelkner | asharma has about a million questions for me | 21:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner pong | 21:12 |
| jelkner | one of them concerns .po files | 21:12 |
| th1a | It kind of depends on if deleting it could cause a cascade of problems. | 21:12 |
| jelkner | we asked lord google | 21:13 |
| th1a | Or whether it just... deletes it. | 21:13 |
| jelkner | and found out that it has to do with gettext | 21:13 |
| jelkner | the gnu implementation of i18n | 21:13 |
| jelkner | anything you can add to that? | 21:13 |
| replaceafill | th1a what if i allow them to delete shifts that are not related to any class yet? | 21:13 |
| jelkner | as someone who has made .po files? | 21:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner just a minute | 21:14 |
| th1a | replaceafill: That's probably ok. | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | th1a cool, i could do the same for levels ;) | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | basically any stuff they can "enter" | 21:15 |
| replaceafill | we need undo ;) | 21:16 |
| replaceafill | so, jelkner so you want to compile the translations? | 21:16 |
| asharma | replaceafill, i want to know why I should use a .po file | 21:24 |
| asharma | were the original translations for SchoolTool written in .po files? | 21:24 |
| replaceafill | asharma for translating schooltool? | 21:25 |
| asharma | yup | 21:25 |
| replaceafill | asharma we have an extraction tool | 21:25 |
| replaceafill | which takes "translatable strings" from the code and generates a .pot file | 21:26 |
| replaceafill | it's a template | 21:26 |
| replaceafill | you take that template and create a .po file for a language, like es_SV.po for salvadorean spanish | 21:26 |
| replaceafill | that .po files is going to have translations only for salvadorean spanish | 21:27 |
| replaceafill | once all the translations are done in that .po file, you have to tell schooltool to use it | 21:27 |
| replaceafill | you do that by "compiling" the .po file into a .mo file :) | 21:27 |
| asharma | oh... all right | 21:29 |
| replaceafill | if you are curious about how we use getttext to compile and merge translations, check the Makefile in schooltool's trunk | 21:29 |
| replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/trunk/view/head:/Makefile | 21:30 |
| replaceafill | look at the # Translatiosn section | 21:30 |
| asharma | kay.. are the translations that are already done in .po? | 21:31 |
| replaceafill | yes | 21:32 |
| asharma | so, we complete the translations and compile them into a .mo file? | 21:32 |
| replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/trunk/files/head:/src/schooltool/locales/ | 21:32 |
| replaceafill | there ^ you can see what .po files we have | 21:32 |
| replaceafill | i think those are generated from rosetta | 21:33 |
| replaceafill | ...periodically | 21:33 |
| asharma | cool... it kind of makes sense now | 21:34 |
| asharma | :) | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | but if you don't want to use rosseta you dont have to | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | you can take the .po file you want to work on | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | do it offline with other program, like poEdit or something | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | and then submit your translation through rosetta | 21:34 |
| replaceafill | i mean, you can upload translations | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | there are multiple ways :) | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | my advice to anybody who wants to help translating schooltool: | 21:35 |
| replaceafill | get really familiar with the application first | 21:35 |
| asharma | yeah..I have to work on that | 21:36 |
| replaceafill | because it's easy to translate things literally, but when you take into account SchoolTool context you provide better and more accurate translations | 21:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill -- ahh | 21:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner at least what i've seen in the spanish world :P | 21:37 |
| jelkner | i'm sure it applies to nepali as well | 21:38 |
| jelkner | so | 21:38 |
| jelkner | we need to think about that | 21:38 |
| jelkner | i'm going to deal with that tomorrow | 21:38 |
| jelkner | after hopefully abhishek replies | 21:39 |
| jelkner | since his guidance in what is most important to accomplish is critical | 21:39 |
| asharma | yeah, I think it's the same for Nepali as well | 21:39 |
| jelkner | we could easily setup an ST instance for asharma to play in | 21:39 |
| jelkner | she can be admin and go through the configuration process | 21:39 |
| jelkner | but we'll wait until we hear back from ole nepal | 21:40 |
| th1a | asharma: You should read this: http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/nepal/open_learning_exchange_nepal_e.html | 21:45 |
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| jelkner | th1a, asharma will be back tomorrow morning at 9 am | 21:55 |
| jelkner | she ran out to grab the bus | 21:55 |
| jelkner | hopefully we can hear from ole nepal by then | 21:55 |
| jelkner | c u all tomorrow... | 21:55 |
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