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th1a | Hi yvl, menesis, replaceafill, aelkner_. | 16:31 |
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aelkner_ | morning | 16:31 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:31 |
yvl | hi! | 16:32 |
th1a | aelkner_, would you like to start us off? | 16:33 |
aelkner_ | well, i sent an email to the list, so that should have started a discussion | 16:34 |
aelkner_ | i haven't gotten any responses to our plan though | 16:34 |
th1a | Oh, it is stuck. | 16:34 |
aelkner_ | the email was not delivered? | 16:35 |
yvl | umm, what email? | 16:35 |
menesis | ohi | 16:35 |
th1a | It was held up due to attachment size. | 16:35 |
th1a | I just approved it. | 16:35 |
yvl | I assumed that there should be some email regarding activitiy libraries, but... | 16:36 |
aelkner_ | attaching two photos made it too large?! | 16:36 |
th1a | Two large photos, perhaps. | 16:36 |
th1a | Anyone get it yet? | 16:37 |
yvl | not yet | 16:37 |
aelkner_ | so, now that you approved it, how long is it supposed to take? | 16:37 |
replaceafill | nope | 16:37 |
th1a | I guess we can skip aelkner_ for now. | 16:37 |
th1a | replaceafill? | 16:38 |
replaceafill | ok | 16:38 |
replaceafill | last week i worked in custom demographics fields for cambodia | 16:38 |
replaceafill | added the 'staff' group for non-teaching staff | 16:38 |
replaceafill | started to modify the add/edit forms using the approach yvl recommended | 16:39 |
replaceafill | also, i got good feedback from Chandara to many questions i had | 16:39 |
replaceafill | and i also asked him to translate the jquery datepicker plugin i18n file | 16:39 |
replaceafill | to khmer | 16:39 |
replaceafill | this week i'm going to work on shifts | 16:40 |
replaceafill | using levels as model | 16:40 |
replaceafill | also, i reported a few bugs that were bothering me | 16:40 |
yvl | thank you :) | 16:41 |
replaceafill | i could use some help here: | 16:41 |
replaceafill | Confusing error message for date fields (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745478) | 16:41 |
replaceafill | i also found this problem in my new debian installation: ubuntu-environment rule should include subversion (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745206) | 16:41 |
replaceafill | and the css and javascript viewlet manager problem that we discussed in portugal: Viewlet managers for CSS and JavaScript should be ordered (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745513) | 16:42 |
replaceafill | yvl already commented about this last one | 16:42 |
* replaceafill just received aelkner's email | 16:43 | |
replaceafill | also, during the week i helped fsufitchi with the allow-hosts problem | 16:43 |
replaceafill | that i think was already fixed by menesis | 16:43 |
menesis | added a workaround, yes. | 16:44 |
replaceafill | any comment on the error message for date fields? :) | 16:44 |
replaceafill | is it confusing? | 16:44 |
replaceafill | or is just me? :) | 16:44 |
th1a | No, you're right. | 16:45 |
th1a | Is there some problem with fixing it? | 16:45 |
replaceafill | yvl the problem that i found is that date(...) only throws ValueError exceptions | 16:46 |
replaceafill | i couldnt differentiate | 16:46 |
replaceafill | if i do date(2011, 2, 30) -> ValueError | 16:46 |
replaceafill | if i do (2011, 27, 2) -> ValueError | 16:47 |
yvl | In my mind, date fields accumulated enough bugs/issues to deserve a deeper look | 16:47 |
replaceafill | it's not "urgent" though | 16:47 |
replaceafill | yvl +1 | 16:47 |
th1a | We could just make the error message longer and more descriptive. | 16:47 |
yvl | conversion bugs; formatting murky; date picker oldish | 16:47 |
th1a | For now. | 16:47 |
yvl | yeah | 16:47 |
yvl | you can also do this: | 16:48 |
replaceafill | i was thinking: "there was an error. make sure the date is valid and it's in format dd-mm-yyyy" | 16:48 |
yvl | date(2011, 2, 1); date(2011, 2, x) | 16:48 |
replaceafill | (at least for cambodia) | 16:48 |
yvl | if one throws, but another doesn't.. | 16:48 |
replaceafill | yvl ah!!! | 16:48 |
replaceafill | like a double check | 16:48 |
yvl | special case, but better than nothing I guess | 16:49 |
yvl | same for month | 16:49 |
replaceafill | i can live with that for now :D | 16:49 |
yvl | people can enter month 27 by mistake :) | 16:49 |
replaceafill | great i'll try that | 16:49 |
yvl | btw, aelkner_, your email made it, but attachments didn't | 16:50 |
replaceafill | th1a, that's it from me, everything going according to the march plan (now in april) | 16:50 |
* replaceafill checks aelkner's email | 16:50 | |
th1a | replaceafill: Sounds good. | 16:50 |
replaceafill | right, no attachments for me either | 16:50 |
aelkner_ | lame! | 16:51 |
th1a | Just send those directly to us aelkner_. | 16:51 |
aelkner_ | ok | 16:51 |
th1a | I might not have paid close enough attention when approving it. | 16:51 |
replaceafill | ah btw, again, this one was already fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.gradebook/+bug/643700 | 16:51 |
replaceafill | and i tried to explain this one also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool.gradebook/+bug/643707 | 16:51 |
th1a | replaceafill, is that fix committed, released? | 16:52 |
replaceafill | at least fix committed | 16:52 |
replaceafill | the change is in the gradebook egg also | 16:52 |
aelkner_ | photos sent | 16:52 |
replaceafill | i guess released means "in ubuntu" correct? | 16:52 |
menesis | not always | 16:53 |
menesis | but yes this fix is in natty | 16:53 |
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th1a | 1) the interface for managing and getting to linked sections. | 17:08 |
aelkner_ | replaceafill, to your gmail account | 17:08 |
th1a | 2) just cleaning up the section view a bit. | 17:08 |
th1a | For 1) it seemed like a good sidebar use case. | 17:08 |
replaceafill | aelkner_ ah i dont use that account, please remove it from your addresses | 17:08 |
th1a | for 2) it just seemed like columns were better than the one unstructured one column we have now. | 17:08 |
aelkner_ | replaceafill, sorry, will use your yahoo account for now on | 17:08 |
replaceafill | aelkner_ thanks | 17:08 |
replaceafill | i got the photos now :) | 17:08 |
th1a | Admittedly, three columns there is overkill. | 17:08 |
th1a | Typical going from one extreme to the other. ;-) | 17:09 |
yvl | :))) | 17:09 |
th1a | But that wasn't really the main concern. | 17:10 |
yvl | ok, I see now what you want to do with index.html | 17:10 |
yvl | hmm | 17:10 |
yvl | would this be acceptable: | 17:11 |
yvl | left column where you pick terms | 17:11 |
yvl | a very large center column | 17:11 |
yvl | with current contents of the page | 17:11 |
aelkner_ | forcing the user to scroll down? | 17:11 |
yvl | Ubuntu web guide specifies the width IIRC | 17:11 |
yvl | yes aelkner_ | 17:12 |
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yvl | oh, I like it | 17:20 |
th1a | (forgot to set up all the sections) | 17:20 |
th1a | Forgot to link them. | 17:20 |
yvl | a small suggestion | 17:20 |
yvl | maybe you can use a table instead of columns? | 17:20 |
yvl | | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | | 17:21 |
yvl | and then list students, instructors in rows | 17:21 |
th1a | Sure. | 17:22 |
yvl | One more, somewhat random idea | 17:22 |
aelkner_ | what css for the table, same as sections view? | 17:23 |
yvl | horizontal space is usually somewhat limited | 17:23 |
yvl | vertical space is usually treated as infinite | 17:23 |
yvl | maybe it's worth to rotate the table 90 degrees | 17:24 |
th1a | aelkner_, Try to follow the ubuntu guidlines. | 17:29 |
yvl | | Term | Instructors | Students | | 17:29 |
yvl | | Q1 | Johan | Steve | | 17:29 |
yvl | | | Peter | another student | | 17:29 |
th1a | Well, comparing the students is actually important too. | 17:29 |
yvl | | | | third student | 17:29 |
yvl | | ----------------------- | | 17:29 |
yvl | | Q2 | ....... | ..... | | 17:29 |
th1a | And usually this won't be more than four, and rarely more than six. | 17:29 |
yvl | good point, th1a | 17:29 |
th1a | We'll probably add diff-like functionality to show who is added and dropped. | 17:29 |
yvl | sure | 17:29 |
yvl | you can just sort them | 17:29 |
yvl | make a set of total persons | 17:29 |
yvl | then assign a row per-person | 17:29 |
yvl | and display empty space in terms he's not in | 17:29 |
yvl | ok, my initial schock went away now :) | 17:29 |
replaceafill | :D | 17:29 |
th1a | Good. Send us a sketch for the main section page. | 17:29 |
yvl | will do | 17:29 |
aelkner_ | please by the end of today | 17:29 |
yvl | your today or my today? ;) | 17:29 |
aelkner_ | what about the section linkage page? | 17:29 |
aelkner_ | yvl, your today would also be mine | 17:29 |
th1a | aelkner has to figure out how many days of css juggling to include. | 17:29 |
yvl | I'd say postpone changing of index.html for now | 17:29 |
yvl | but that's just my take on it... | 17:29 |
th1a | We can do that. | 17:29 |
th1a | aelkner can just add what we were going to put in the sidebar to the current page. | 17:29 |
aelkner_ | so an action link to get to the lnkage view? | 17:29 |
th1a | No. | 17:30 |
aelkner_ | so where then? | 17:30 |
th1a | OK, just re-do the name of the page with the table we discussed and then put the term stuff underneath that. | 17:30 |
th1a | Same content as proposal, one column. | 17:31 |
aelkner_ | ok, so i am changing index.html, but only top part | 17:32 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:32 |
aelkner_ | and the linkage view? | 17:32 |
aelkner_ | we await yvl sketch? | 17:32 |
yvl | you mean - section linkage? | 17:33 |
th1a | I think that's fine as is. | 17:33 |
yvl | I kind of thought that we could re-use current functionality | 17:33 |
yvl | just make a overview page, that shows "status" of linked sections in a table | 17:34 |
aelkner_ | how is that different from what i sent? | 17:34 |
yvl | umm, let me get this straight | 17:36 |
yvl | I guess I call it "overview" and you call it "section linkage" view | 17:36 |
yvl | right? | 17:36 |
aelkner_ | right | 17:36 |
yvl | the second photo | 17:36 |
yvl | ok | 17:36 |
aelkner_ | so we already specified in the phot how it should look | 17:37 |
aelkner_ | any modifications? | 17:37 |
yvl | yes, just don't use div columns | 17:37 |
yvl | do a table | 17:37 |
aelkner_ | do i use existing css class, or do i create a new one? | 17:37 |
yvl | do a new one | 17:38 |
yvl | I don't think we have any useful css for this | 17:39 |
yvl | but I may be wrong | 17:39 |
th1a | Just follow the ubuntu guidelines. | 17:39 |
yvl | th1a, I don't think that there are much guidelines to follow in this case | 17:39 |
th1a | And ASK. | 17:39 |
th1a | Page 27. ;-) | 17:40 |
aelkner_ | yvl, but besides table versus divs, the rest is ok? | 17:41 |
aelkner_ | buttons, etc. | 17:41 |
yvl | right, th1a ! | 17:41 |
th1a | Yes, aelkner_. | 17:41 |
aelkner_ | hopefully, the css class names i choose will be generic sounding enough for others to use later | 17:42 |
th1a | OK, let's move on. | 17:42 |
th1a | Thanks aelkner_. | 17:42 |
th1a | menesis? | 17:42 |
menesis | not much to say | 17:43 |
menesis | merged translations at last | 17:47 |
th1a | Any blockages on the path to Natty? | 17:47 |
menesis | no | 17:47 |
th1a | Cool. | 17:47 |
menesis | was about to make a release but then merge requests came in | 17:47 |
menesis | with plugin-meta.zcml | 17:47 |
aelkner_ | yes, sorry that i forgot to request merge of reports viewlet branch | 17:47 |
menesis | not sure I like the plugins changes | 17:47 |
th1a | I was assuming you'd have to just put that off. | 17:47 |
menesis | reports were done and ready? | 17:47 |
menesis | I can still merge this for beta | 17:48 |
aelkner_ | reports was done pre-sprint, i just forgot to request merge | 17:48 |
menesis | I knew you wanted to redo reports | 17:49 |
aelkner_ | ok, not true | 17:49 |
aelkner_ | i made changes after the sprint | 17:49 |
aelkner_ | to create the meta configure reportViewletdirective | 17:49 |
menesis | so if you are done and th1a is happy with it then I will merge it | 17:49 |
menesis | because that was in the plan for this release | 17:49 |
aelkner_ | i ame done, yvl, do you approve? | 17:49 |
replaceafill | i have a question for the near future in cambodia, i have to add reports | 17:50 |
replaceafill | should i use this directive for cambodias reports? | 17:50 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:50 |
replaceafill | cool, i'll read about it :) | 17:51 |
replaceafill | aelkner_ expect some questions :D | 17:51 |
aelkner_ | replaceafill, np | 17:52 |
th1a | OK... anything else, menesis? | 17:58 |
menesis | (talked to yvl) | 17:58 |
yvl | sorry, I distracted him a little bit | 17:58 |
menesis | no, don't think I had anything to say | 17:58 |
th1a | Thanks, menesis. | 17:58 |
th1a | yvl? | 17:58 |
yvl | ok... | 17:58 |
aelkner_ | menesis, i updated CHANGES.txt in my report branch | 17:58 |
yvl | minor things: | 17:58 |
yvl | soft plugin inclusion, which menesis didn't like that much | 17:58 |
yvl | we're kind of picking a lesser of few evils, IMHO | 17:58 |
yvl | some dev support | 17:58 |
yvl | major things: | 17:58 |
yvl | timetable section scheduling | 17:58 |
yvl | (timeline became tight at this point) | 17:58 |
yvl | and an experimental feature | 17:58 |
yvl | I kind of needed it, and we'll likely use it widely in the future | 17:58 |
yvl | tal syntax to get content providers in a path expression | 17:58 |
yvl | <tal:block content="view/something/item/schooltool:conent/table" /> | 17:59 |
yvl | I'll do decent documentation on that after merge to trunk | 17:59 |
replaceafill | and the provider can be a viewlet manager, correct? | 17:59 |
yvl | yes | 18:00 |
yvl | but zope only gives | 18:00 |
replaceafill | nice :) | 18:00 |
yvl | "structure provider:SomeManager" | 18:00 |
yvl | now we will do | 18:00 |
yvl | <tal:block repeat="timetable view/timetables"> | 18:01 |
yvl | <div tal:content="timetable/schooltool:content/extra_info" | 18:01 |
yvl | etc | 18:01 |
replaceafill | quick question | 18:01 |
yvl | that gets extra info... viewlet manager or other content on timetable | 18:01 |
replaceafill | what's the registration for the provider | 18:02 |
yvl | adapter | 18:02 |
replaceafill | i mean, context is the item | 18:02 |
replaceafill | view? | 18:02 |
yvl | didn't make a meta directive yet | 18:02 |
yvl | context is item | 18:02 |
yvl | view is current view | 18:02 |
yvl | request is current request | 18:02 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 18:02 |
replaceafill | got it | 18:02 |
replaceafill | interesting :) | 18:02 |
yvl | an interesting pattern emerged | 18:02 |
yvl | if view implements IFormatSomeTableCells | 18:02 |
yvl | and has def formatCell | 18:02 |
yvl | you can register the provider on such views | 18:03 |
yvl | and use view.formatCell calls in the content provider | 18:03 |
replaceafill | yvl you using this in your timetable branch? | 18:03 |
yvl | not pushed yet | 18:03 |
yvl | but yes | 18:03 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 18:03 |
* replaceafill is interested in anything that makes view more flexible :D | 18:04 | |
yvl | it's quite interesting, because it serves as a page macro in that sense | 18:04 |
yvl | adaptable page macro | 18:04 |
yvl | as in - change per-context or per-view | 18:05 |
replaceafill | nice :) | 18:05 |
yvl | I think this will suit us fine | 18:05 |
yvl | basically the goal is to make our templates small | 18:06 |
yvl | and the views small | 18:06 |
yvl | we'll se how it works out | 18:07 |
yvl | for now, it looks promising | 18:07 |
replaceafill | could it be used for the gradebook? | 18:07 |
yvl | which part do you have in mind? | 18:07 |
replaceafill | scores | 18:07 |
replaceafill | i mean, the activity column | 18:09 |
replaceafill | you know, never mind, just crazy thoughts :) | 18:09 |
yvl | overkill, IMHO | 18:09 |
yvl | but it should be used something like this | 18:09 |
yvl | say we look at a section | 18:09 |
yvl | there | 18:09 |
yvl | "structure section/getGradebook/schooltool:content/overview" | 18:09 |
replaceafill | right | 18:09 |
replaceafill | you can insert the gradebook overview anywhere :) | 18:09 |
yvl | that is the point | 18:09 |
yvl | if we do have a "right column" in the page | 18:09 |
yvl | and we know it's width | 18:10 |
yvl | we can register overviews of whatever we want | 18:11 |
yvl | in that case they will go on viewlet manager | 18:11 |
yvl | but I think you see my point | 18:11 |
aelkner_ | gradebook overview has unknown width, depends on number of activities | 18:11 |
replaceafill | for one view overview could be the whole table and in another view overview could be just the averages, for instance | 18:11 |
yvl | overview would be a new small view | 18:11 |
yvl | yes, replaceafill | 18:11 |
yvl | context-sensitive and view-sensitive | 18:11 |
yvl | well, we'll see how it goes :) | 18:11 |
yvl | I also saw a bug change, by aelkner_ I think | 18:12 |
yvl | something about activity libraries for courses and persons | 18:12 |
yvl | got my attention :) | 18:12 |
yvl | because it should use something that is not yet implemented in core :) | 18:12 |
yvl | basically - copying the binding code of schooltool.group | 18:13 |
yvl | or schooltool.level | 18:13 |
aelkner_ | yvl, th1a just brought that up | 18:13 |
yvl | or some places in cambodia | 18:13 |
yvl | it's an awful well of code duplication :) | 18:13 |
aelkner_ | and i added the bug at is request | 18:13 |
aelkner_ | his | 18:13 |
yvl | cool | 18:13 |
aelkner_ | but it is just a concept now | 18:13 |
yvl | I'd like 2-4 days of tinkering before you start with that | 18:14 |
th1a | It isn't on the short list. | 18:14 |
* yvl hates evolution scripts, and I'd like to avoid them when possible | 18:14 | |
yvl | so that's my report | 18:15 |
th1a | So... on schedule now? | 18:15 |
yvl | yes | 18:15 |
yvl | but the schedule is tight | 18:15 |
th1a | OK. Keep it up. | 18:15 |
th1a | Stay focused. | 18:15 |
yvl | will do! | 18:15 |
th1a | I went down to VA last week for the CanDo users meeting. | 18:15 |
th1a | There were about 25 people there from different counties. | 18:16 |
yvl | wow | 18:16 |
th1a | One cool thing is that one county got it going pretty much just with the online documentation. | 18:16 |
th1a | On the whole, people are pretty happy. | 18:16 |
th1a | There were remarkably few gripes. | 18:16 |
yvl | again - wow | 18:17 |
th1a | I'll forward Welsh's notes. | 18:17 |
th1a | It was decided we wouldn't really push the "now you should start giving us money" part. | 18:18 |
th1a | esp. since most of the people there aren't the ones who would give us money. | 18:19 |
th1a | It was more the mid-level administrators responsible for getting the data collected. | 18:20 |
th1a | But on the whole, it was a very positive response. | 18:22 |
th1a | OK, I'll let you guys go. | 18:22 |
th1a | Have a great week, gentlemen! | 18:23 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 18:23 | |
replaceafill | thanks everybody | 18:23 |
yvl | thanks for the good news, th1a | 18:23 |
aelkner_ | great week everyone | 18:24 |
yvl | aelkner_, a short question if I may | 18:24 |
aelkner_ | sure | 18:24 |
yvl | what are the changes you agreed with th1a for index.html? | 18:24 |
yvl | somewhere by the end of this meeting | 18:24 |
yvl | "OK, just re-do the name of the page with the table we discussed and then put the term stuff underneath that." | 18:24 |
aelkner_ | right | 18:25 |
aelkner_ | the term links | 18:25 |
th1a | Well, the way the page is titled and the term navigation just needed to be ripped out. | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | and All Terms link | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | combine second column of photo with first | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | and leave everything else the same | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | sorry, that's ambiguous | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | only change foloowing: | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | replace section title and next/previous terms | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | with table shown in column two of photo | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | and links shown in column one | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | does that make sense? | 18:26 |
yvl | yes it does | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | ok, i'll do that first | 18:26 |
yvl | I think I won't send you mockups | 18:26 |
yvl | kind of no need for that anymore :) | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | no need | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | right | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | you agreed with section linkage view | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | only table instead of divs | 18:26 |
yvl | yes | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | what about the third view? | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | the link to existing section view | 18:26 |
aelkner_ | with search widget, as i laid out in the email | 18:26 |
yvl | well, I have a little nagging feeling about creating objects after clicking links | 18:27 |
aelkner_ | maybe it would be best to express you feelings :) | 18:27 |
yvl | I'd go with checkbox or radio button and "Add" | 18:27 |
aelkner_ | get them out on the table, so to speak | 18:27 |
aelkner_ | oh, i see | 18:28 |
yvl | because when you have javascripty-web2.0 thing going on, like in launchpad, you can use links in search "pop-up" form to add content | 18:28 |
yvl | if you don't have it, you usually use buttons | 18:28 |
yvl | but maybe it's just me | 18:29 |
yvl | just putting it on the table, as you said :) | 18:29 |
aelkner_ | th1a, this sounds like one of those design decisions we are going to be making going forward | 18:29 |
yvl | also I didn't notice student copying in your email | 18:30 |
yvl | porbably because I didn't read it thoroughly | 18:30 |
aelkner_ | it was 'link to existing section' action, | 18:30 |
th1a | It is implicit. | 18:30 |
aelkner_ | so students and teacher would presumably already be there | 18:30 |
yvl | but I remember David's comment on sources of students and teachers | 18:31 |
aelkner_ | th1a, so i go with the checkboxes and add button? | 18:31 |
yvl | in the future we should expect various sources | 18:31 |
yvl | like, group of people in 2A taking math, will be same group of people taking 2A history | 18:32 |
yvl | or if a person is following a "pathway" | 18:32 |
th1a | I'm neutral on that. | 18:32 |
th1a | (aelkner) | 18:32 |
th1a | yvl: Yes, we're approaching that as a separate issue. | 18:33 |
yvl | it's just a point where we shouldn't screw things too tight | 18:33 |
yvl | plugins and such may add new sources of "import people" to a section | 18:33 |
aelkner_ | one problem with using checkboxes | 18:33 |
aelkner_ | if the user clicks on two of them and hits add, that makes o sense | 18:33 |
aelkner_ | no | 18:33 |
aelkner_ | that's why i suggested using links that performed the lnkage | 18:34 |
yvl | we might consider radio buttons | 18:34 |
aelkner_ | yes, one only can be clicked | 18:34 |
aelkner_ | th1a, radio buttons with add button? | 18:34 |
th1a | I take the fifth. | 18:35 |
th1a | I'm not quite picturing it. | 18:35 |
th1a | Just try it. | 18:36 |
aelkner_ | radio buttons it is | 18:36 |
yvl | and when you have screenshots of semi-shaped "linkage" page, please share | 18:36 |
th1a | That's really the best way of handling these situations. | 18:38 |
yvl | well, see you guys later | 18:39 |
aelkner_ | cya | 18:39 |
yvl | good week to you all :) | 18:39 |
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