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| aelkner | dadeng, are you there? | 08:26 |
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| dadeng | aelkner, yes | 09:25 |
| aelkner | dadeng, still there? | 09:59 |
| aelkner | we seem to be having trouble spotting each other's ping | 10:14 |
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| dadeng | well... i'm here now | 10:20 |
| dadeng | what about you aelkner? | 10:20 |
| aelkner | i'm here | 10:24 |
| dadeng | good | 10:24 |
| dadeng | i've been busy with arrangements for the meeting | 10:24 |
| aelkner | i've been working on the census report that i will deliver to you this weekend | 10:24 |
| dadeng | good | 10:24 |
| aelkner | it occurred to me that the census asked about previous year info | 10:25 |
| dadeng | can we get that done tonight? | 10:25 |
| aelkner | get what done | 10:25 |
| aelkner | ? | 10:25 |
| dadeng | well... we don't have any previous year's info in the system | 10:26 |
| aelkner | exactly | 10:26 |
| aelkner | so i would say that we don't worry about it for now | 10:26 |
| dadeng | so we have to have just baseline year | 10:26 |
| dadeng | yeah | 10:26 |
| aelkner | i'm going to only reprt the current year's data | 10:26 |
| aelkner | the report will be requestable by clicking on a link from the school year view | 10:26 |
| dadeng | yes | 10:26 |
| aelkner | and it will compile data for that year | 10:27 |
| dadeng | ok | 10:27 |
| dadeng | yes | 10:27 |
| aelkner | it's not going to have everything on the form that you sent us | 10:27 |
| aelkner | because we haven't had the chance to go over every field | 10:27 |
| dadeng | yes | 10:27 |
| aelkner | i just created demo fields for the students, teachers, and classrooms | 10:27 |
| aelkner | and that is what i will report in the census report | 10:27 |
| dadeng | ok | 10:28 |
| aelkner | you are setting up classrooms and filling in the demo fields? | 10:28 |
| aelkner | i think you said that you are filling in demos for students and teachers | 10:28 |
| dadeng | we've some but we'll update them tomorrow with a | 10:29 |
| dadeng | teacher from the school | 10:29 |
| dadeng | i'm travelling down tomorrow | 10:29 |
| aelkner | that's fine, as long as you understand what you need to do | 10:29 |
| aelkner | cool | 10:29 |
| dadeng | i can always catch you online | 10:30 |
| aelkner | hopefully i see you ping :) | 10:30 |
| dadeng | yeah | 10:30 |
| dadeng | this weekend is very important | 10:30 |
| aelkner | remember to put my id in the message which helps me see it | 10:30 |
| dadeng | monday is the meeting | 10:30 |
| dadeng | yes | 10:31 |
| aelkner | so that's conformed? | 10:31 |
| aelkner | confirmed | 10:31 |
| dadeng | yes, all invitation letters are out and there has been | 10:31 |
| dadeng | confirmation of attendance | 10:32 |
| dadeng | invitees have confirmed attendance | 10:32 |
| aelkner | it will be exciting to see how it turns out | 10:33 |
| dadeng | yes, we want stakeholders commitment and sustenance for the project | 10:34 |
| aelkner | oh, i almost forgot to ask, should i add 'School Code' to the top of the 'School Info' page? | 10:35 |
| aelkner | it's on the census form you sent us | 10:36 |
| aelkner | so i figured you'd want it on the report | 10:36 |
| dadeng | yes, | 10:36 |
| aelkner | it would be easy to add the fields | 10:36 |
| aelkner | field | 10:36 |
| aelkner | ok, will do | 10:36 |
| dadeng | and pls remember to include fields for geo cordinate | 10:36 |
| dadeng | it is for mapping | 10:37 |
| aelkner | that isn't on the census form you sent us | 10:37 |
| dadeng | yes, it was not | 10:37 |
| dadeng | but it is an essential data of a school | 10:38 |
| aelkner | so you're not asking me to put it on my census report, just to add the data to school info? | 10:38 |
| aelkner | then again, it could go near the address | 10:38 |
| aelkner | it is similar data | 10:38 |
| dadeng | yes, the report will be used at higher levels | 10:39 |
| dadeng | so if it possible just add it | 10:39 |
| aelkner | ok, will do | 10:39 |
| dadeng | good | 10:39 |
| aelkner | what exactly is the title of the field, 'Geographic Coordinates'? | 10:40 |
| dadeng | may be it make more meaning to say "Location Coordinate" | 10:40 |
| aelkner | Coordinate, singular? isn't that a plural? | 10:42 |
| aelkner | latitude, longitude? | 10:42 |
| aelkner | btw, i'll make it free-form text so you can put anything there | 10:43 |
| dadeng | no sorry Coordinates | 10:43 |
| aelkner | ok | 10:43 |
| dadeng | see u later, i must go to UN premises now | 11:00 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, you there? | 17:12 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Yes. | 17:12 |
| th1a | What's up? | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | just saw dwelsh last email | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | i could write some instructions on how to integrate it all | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | would that help? | 17:13 |
| th1a | Are we talking about debs? | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | no, jelkner's instance uses eggs | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | it's like a development sandbox | 17:14 |
| th1a | All the actual code changes have been made though? | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | you mean to cando? | 17:15 |
| th1a | Which email are we even talking about? | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | the one he sent today | 17:15 |
| th1a | I got two... but I guess you got one. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | ah! yes, i got only one | 17:16 |
| th1a | This is the Matt and Jeff one. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | yes, about alexandria wanting to use attendance gradebook etc | 17:17 |
| th1a | Let's start over. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | sorry, i assumed you only had one :) | 17:17 |
| th1a | So, right now code exists to make CanDo and all the parts of SchoolTool play nicely? | 17:17 |
| th1a | jelkner is using it? | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | yes, but again, it's like setting a dev sandbox: i checked out cando trunk and enabled the gradebook, journal, and interventions in buildout | 17:18 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:20 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:20 |
| th1a | So also, right now, the CanDo deb doesn't include the journal, etc. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Doesn't install them. | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | no | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | like yvl said once it's a different application | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | different configuration file, database, etcv | 17:21 |
| th1a | Do all the relevant debs include the code changes to play nicely? | 17:21 |
| th1a | CSS fixes, etc. | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | no, the css fixes are not in debs | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | they're not even in trunk, but in a cando branch | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | they haven't had been applied to trunk because until now nobody wanted to use cando + other things | 17:23 |
| th1a | Are they changes just to CanDo? | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | changing cando css was a quick patch, in the long run, we would want core + plugins css organized | 17:24 |
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| replaceafill | i mean, moving everything to core, removing style information from pt templates, etc | 17:24 |
| th1a | Don't overly complicate it right now. ;-) | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, cando css fix is a quick patch then | 17:25 |
| th1a | Basically, I don't want people running eggs. | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | right | 17:25 |
| th1a | So if we push that change, | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | but that would mean we find a way to integrate cando as a plugin? | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | kind of like what aelkner is doing with niepa? | 17:26 |
| th1a | Well, I was just thinking about the other direction. | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:26 |
| th1a | In the short term at least. | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | you're thinking of making possible to enable the other debs from cando deb? | 17:26 |
| th1a | Here's all I want, which should be easyish. | 17:27 |
| th1a | 1) apt-get canto | 17:27 |
| th1a | 2) apt-get journal etc. | 17:27 |
| th1a | 3) edit a configuration file to turn on journal, etc. in CanDo. | 17:27 |
| th1a | Maybe it makes more sense to do the same thing by installing schooltool, installing cando and jiggering SchoolTool's configuration. | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | i'll test if that can be done in lucid, i remember menesis said once they use the same underlying libraries | 17:29 |
| menesis | apt-get install schooltool-2009 python-cando | 17:30 |
| menesis | and add <include package="cando" /> to /etc/schooltool/schooltool-2009/plugins/cando.zcml | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | kind of what aelkner is doing in niepa | 17:32 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 17:32 |
| menesis | don't know how well that works, maybe you need overrides or additional configure directives to disable certain parts, like schooltool gradebook | 17:33 |
| th1a | I guess you just have to decide if you want everything plus cando or cando plus a couple things. | 17:33 |
| menesis | or, better, don't use schooltool-2009 at all, but copy and include only the needed plugins in a custom instance package | 17:33 |
| menesis | the best example is schooltool.zambia source package I think | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | menesis, ah | 17:34 |
| menesis | (for a custom instance .deb) | 17:34 |
| menesis | or niepa | 17:34 |
| menesis | hm, I haven't created a package for niepa | 17:35 |
| menesis | should I? | 17:35 |
| th1a | I don't think we need to make a custom .deb for every combination. | 17:35 |
| th1a | It is ok to make people edit a config file if they want something special. | 17:36 |
| menesis | we need some way of customisation, there is no documentation of how to customise a school with code | 17:36 |
| menesis | but zambia or cambodia or niepa are code examples | 17:37 |
| th1a | All the more reason to do it a few times. | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | menesis, with our current debs is not possible to install schooltool-cando and schooltool.gradebook, and then change cando's configuration files to enable the gradebook? | 17:37 |
| menesis | will do something about this when I will get to rewriting the schooltool-2009 into a "schooltool" binary package | 17:37 |
| menesis | replaceafill: cando depends on schooltool.gradebook so it is installed. but you need to include gradebook explicitly in a school.zcml or plugins/whatever.zcml | 17:38 |
| menesis | but then you'll have two gradebook tabs I would guess | 17:39 |
| menesis | yeah. you can put whatever zcml overrides you need in files at /etc/schooltool/*/plugins/*.zcml | 17:39 |
| menesis | they are included after the installed configuration | 17:40 |
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| replaceafill | menesis, schooltool-cando is not available for lucid 64 bits? | 21:26 |
| menesis | replaceafill: all packages are architecture all | 21:28 |
| menesis | no separate packages for x64 | 21:28 |
| replaceafill | hhmm weird, i cannot find it in my luicd | 21:28 |
| replaceafill | roberto@cerna-desktop:~$ apt-cache search schooltool cando | 21:29 |
| replaceafill | python-cando - A competency tracking system built on SchoolTool | 21:29 |
| menesis | replaceafill: not available for maverick. but should be available for lucid | 21:56 |
| menesis | https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive/ppa/+files/schooltool-cando_1_all.deb | 21:57 |
| replaceafill | menesis, cant find it here http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages | 22:03 |
| menesis | :( | 22:04 |
| menesis | some ppa bug | 22:04 |
| menesis | some packages disappear from index | 22:04 |
| menesis | don't know what to do now. leaving. | 22:04 |
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| dadeng | aelkner hey | 22:28 |
| aelkner | dadeng, yes? | 22:39 |
| dadeng | hey, sorry | 22:44 |
| dadeng | i was busy on something else | 22:45 |
| dadeng | i'm here | 22:45 |
| aelkner | you have a question? | 22:47 |
| dadeng | not really | 22:52 |
| dadeng | but how far with your work? | 22:52 |
| dadeng | it would be good to do it before i travel | 22:53 |
| dadeng | so if you it ready we can get it done now | 22:53 |
| dadeng | i have a slightly better internet at home | 22:53 |
| aelkner | i'm not ready now, but when will you be reachable this weekend? | 22:58 |
| dadeng | ok | 23:04 |
| aelkner | 'ok' doesn't sound like an answer, a date and time would be more informative :) | 23:07 |
| dadeng | i'm travelling down south west tomorrow and i'm thinking that if it is possible for us to do it tonight it would be ok | 23:13 |
| dadeng | but of course if it is not ready, no problem | 23:14 |
| dadeng | it is just that i don't know the Internet access situation in Ondo | 23:14 |
| dadeng | but we should be able to find a way out somehow whenever you're ready | 23:15 |
| dadeng | so when should we look forward to? | 23:15 |
| aelkner | some time tomorrow, i'll email you to update your instance | 23:21 |
| aelkner | you can then look for me here if you have any questions | 23:22 |
| th1a | a date and time would be more informative, aelkner. ;-) | 23:22 |
| aelkner | but i will explain to you what your update will have | 23:22 |
| aelkner | th1a, haha | 23:22 |
| aelkner | so if you're traveling tomorrow, i guess it won't be until sunday that we could meet here, right? | 23:23 |
| dadeng | no we may still meet tomorrow, Ondo is 440km away | 23:42 |
| dadeng | and i'll be driving down | 23:42 |
| dadeng | so we can meet tomorrow evening if everything goes as planned | 23:43 |
| aelkner | ok, sounds good | 23:49 |
| dadeng | i send an update report as of today just now | 23:55 |
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