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| dadeng | aelkner, u should be resting now | 09:23 |
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| dadeng | aelkner, are u there? | 15:44 |
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| fsufitch | ello peoples | 16:15 |
| fsufitch | here for the dev meeting, but going afk briefly to get some breakfast | 16:16 |
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| th1a | Hi replaceafill, aelkner, yvl, menesis. | 16:31 |
| fsufitch | what about me, th1a ? :( | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | morning | 16:31 |
| th1a | Ah, hi fsufitch! | 16:31 |
| fsufitch | :) hi | 16:31 |
| yvl | morning :) | 16:32 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:33 |
| th1a | Our meeting last week with Critical Links went very well, and I'll probably tell you to start booking flights to Portugal later this week. | 16:33 |
| th1a | I should probably just re-confirm with Alex before we all jump. | 16:34 |
| th1a | But the current plan is to meet in Coimbra Feb 7 - 11. | 16:34 |
| th1a | Actually, I should also confirm that we should be going to Coimbra. ;-) | 16:35 |
| th1a | How to get there, etc. | 16:35 |
| th1a | We'll probably be taking the bus from Libson. | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | th1a, what will be the focus of the sprint? | 16:35 |
| th1a | Well, we'll be meeting with their ui and usability consultants, so mostly that. | 16:36 |
| * menesis hello | 16:38 | |
| th1a | So you should plan on arriving the 6th, which means leaving the 5th for those of us crossing the Atlantic. | 16:38 |
| th1a | menesis: You're invited to this too. | 16:39 |
| menesis | cool :) | 16:40 |
| th1a | We're all making a great sacrifice visiting Portugal in February. | 16:41 |
| th1a | It would be even better if they still used their own currency, which would probably be devalued by now. | 16:41 |
| yvl | :) | 16:42 |
| th1a | So, I'll send you more detailed instructions later in the week for your travel plans. | 16:42 |
| th1a | I'm also going to re-do schooltool.org to emphasize our larger scale projects now -- Critical Links, OLE Nepal, etc. | 16:43 |
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| th1a | OK, moving on, aelkner, how are you doing? | 16:43 |
| aelkner | ok, i guess | 16:44 |
| aelkner | i gave david back his links | 16:45 |
| aelkner | which allowed me to uncover his gradebook average score system problem | 16:46 |
| th1a | What caused that? | 16:46 |
| aelkner | he created some custom score systems for i don't know what, then chose one for the average column | 16:47 |
| aelkner | he has been playing around quite a bit with schooltool feateures he doesn't understand, i figure | 16:47 |
| th1a | Well, presumably everyone has to do that. | 16:48 |
| aelkner | yeah, so maybe he'll remember why he chose that score system for the average | 16:48 |
| th1a | So he was just getting the titles he gave the score systems. | 16:48 |
| th1a | ? | 16:48 |
| aelkner | yes | 16:48 |
| aelkner | he actually has a title of '77-100' in one of them | 16:49 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Well, maybe we can make that clearer. | 16:49 |
| th1a | How's the census report coming? | 16:49 |
| aelkner | not much progress there last week on that | 16:50 |
| aelkner | did you see his note regarding demo fields | 16:50 |
| aelkner | he seemed to suggest that what is on the census form he gave us is not decided yet | 16:51 |
| aelkner | he wants to decide for himself what fields go in those forms | 16:51 |
| th1a | That doesn't make any sense to me. | 16:51 |
| aelkner | to me neither | 16:51 |
| aelkner | i explained in one of my notes that there needs to be a standard set of fields for all schools | 16:51 |
| aelkner | one that the ministry would be looking for, but he has other ideas on that | 16:52 |
| aelkner | did you see his note? | 16:52 |
| th1a | From my point of view, I just want to you come up with a basic version of the census report he sent us and then we're done after Thursday. | 16:52 |
| th1a | I'm not sure which note you're referring to. | 16:52 |
| aelkner | well, anyway, i can work on finishing that up this week based on the fields that i gave him | 16:53 |
| th1a | Basically yes, do that. | 16:54 |
| aelkner | ok, he had an interesting journal issue which i looked at | 16:54 |
| aelkner | some of the students had 'X' in some of their cells | 16:55 |
| aelkner | it looks like a student can have a different set of meetings for a given section than the rest of the students | 16:55 |
| aelkner | and i'm guessing that david had changed the schedule AFTER having already added some students | 16:56 |
| aelkner | so some of the students didn't get the whole set of meetings assigned to their calendar | 16:56 |
| aelkner | after removing one of the students with the 'X' cells and putting him back into the section | 16:57 |
| th1a | Hm. | 16:57 |
| aelkner | the 'X; cells went away, so i suggested that to david | 16:57 |
| th1a | What do you think about that yvl? | 16:57 |
| aelkner | there is no documentation for the 'X' feature, it's just a fail safe in the code | 16:57 |
| yvl | I'm trying to remember how it worked... | 16:58 |
| aelkner | not easy to do, is it? :) | 16:58 |
| yvl | (well, I kind of have two implementations in my head ATM) | 16:59 |
| yvl | (the one that was, and the one that I'm doing right now) | 16:59 |
| th1a | Yes, this sounded to me like something that would be changing soon anyhow. | 17:00 |
| yvl | IIRC Alan is right | 17:00 |
| yvl | meetings are built from timetables | 17:00 |
| th1a | So we can just table it until the new timetables land. | 17:00 |
| yvl | on certain occasions | 17:00 |
| yvl | right | 17:00 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:00 |
| th1a | Moving on... | 17:01 |
| th1a | Anything else aelkner? | 17:01 |
| aelkner | so that's it for me, | 17:01 |
| aelkner | i'll keep looking for davd in the chat | 17:01 |
| aelkner | and finish up the census report | 17:01 |
| th1a | Thanks aelkner. | 17:02 |
| th1a | yvl? | 17:02 |
| yvl | status is basically the same | 17:02 |
| yvl | still moving forward, still quite slowly | 17:02 |
| yvl | timetabling uncovers a myriad of small issues with... well with everything | 17:03 |
| yvl | ST, Zope | 17:03 |
| yvl | I kind of understand Ignas' pain when somebody metions anything that has something to do with time | 17:04 |
| yvl | and localization | 17:04 |
| yvl | so, on the more interesting moments from last week | 17:04 |
| yvl | I checked about hour formats, and if we can use localized versions of them | 17:04 |
| th1a | I probably should have just had you remove timetable support at the same time. | 17:04 |
| yvl | Zope's formatters are pretty naggy there, so it's a bit useless for the UI | 17:05 |
| yvl | you must enter precisely (9:30 AM) with correct case and spacing | 17:06 |
| yvl | or it's a format error | 17:06 |
| yvl | and in Lithuanian entry somebody put HH:MM format | 17:06 |
| yvl | and that means that 9:30 is illegal, you must use 09:30 | 17:06 |
| yvl | There are similar places in the database | 17:07 |
| yvl | some countries have p.m., some PM, etc. | 17:07 |
| th1a | In Zope's localization? | 17:07 |
| yvl | some of them have PM in their own language - but evaluation is too strict to be practical | 17:07 |
| yvl | yes | 17:07 |
| yvl | it just interprets the xmls downloaded from.... I don't remember from where | 17:08 |
| th1a | This is the kind of thing you can't get bogged down on right now. | 17:09 |
| yvl | I know | 17:09 |
| yvl | but you know how it happens with trails like this | 17:09 |
| yvl | it seems that the desired result is 15 min away | 17:09 |
| th1a | Yes, I know. | 17:10 |
| yvl | and then after an hour it seems like it's an hour away | 17:10 |
| yvl | just thought it was interesting to mention | 17:10 |
| yvl | oh, and I managed to get sick(er) again | 17:10 |
| yvl | but +- in condition to work | 17:11 |
| yvl | so, working from home... | 17:11 |
| yvl | other than that, timeline stays the same | 17:11 |
| yvl | we need this done and over with this year | 17:12 |
| th1a | Yes. ;-) | 17:12 |
| th1a | OK, anything else? | 17:13 |
| yvl | no, that's it | 17:14 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl. | 17:14 |
| th1a | menesis? | 17:14 |
| menesis | not much to report from last week | 17:15 |
| menesis | I had two days off because my wife was in hospital | 17:16 |
| th1a | Sorry to hear that. How is she doing? | 17:16 |
| menesis | it was a planned surgery for her daughter | 17:17 |
| menesis | it all went well | 17:17 |
| menesis | was home after two days | 17:17 |
| th1a | Good to hear. | 17:17 |
| menesis | I pushed a few packages, not much last week | 17:19 |
| menesis | most of those that I have made available were uploaded by Daniel and Jonathan | 17:19 |
| th1a | OK, good to hear. | 17:19 |
| th1a | We just need to keep that rolling then. | 17:19 |
| menesis | some have problems | 17:19 |
| menesis | with the wrong license version. so they are not uploading those | 17:20 |
| menesis | I will have to fix that both in Zope repository and Ubuntu packages | 17:20 |
| menesis | was doing some of that today | 17:21 |
| menesis | also spent some time, most of Friday, on Zope/Ubuntu issues not directly related to schooltool | 17:21 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:21 |
| menesis | that the new buildout (1.5) does not really work with system python | 17:22 |
| menesis | read much mail, launchpad, hopefully found a cause for failure | 17:22 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:23 |
| menesis | I would like SchoolTool to use buildout 1.5 as well | 17:23 |
| menesis | because it will allow us to use lxml, PIL, libicu, etc. from system packages | 17:24 |
| menesis | so this was of interested for me. | 17:25 |
| * th1a nods. | 17:25 | |
| menesis | also because I'm the maintainer of Zope, and the original bug report complained that our packaging is wrong | 17:26 |
| menesis | I think that's all | 17:26 |
| th1a | OK, thanks menesis! | 17:27 |
| menesis | will upload more packages so that sponsors have sometihng to work on | 17:27 |
| th1a | Good. Keep that rolling so that we don't have a giant pile at the last minute. | 17:27 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | last week i worked on cando's gradebook | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | menesis, i sent you an email requesting a new cando release | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | also, i helped glenda lewis with a problem with the validated resume in cando | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | also, i met with Trevor Joefield and asked him for his schoolbell/schooltool custom code | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | he sent it and i modified the database exporter to 'export' his custom fields and person notes | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | he seemed happy after that :) | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | i also tested aks' scripts for building schooltool rpms in fedora 13 | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | after sending him my log files i talked to him and he told me everything seemed to work | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | and finally, th1a did you see dwelsh email (the last one)? | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | there's a school which would like to use Cando + gradebook + attendance | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | i replied dwelsh with my comments on how jelkner's instance is set up | 17:32 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:33 |
| menesis | replaceafill: I saw your cando branch. good work! | 17:33 |
| menesis | I don't think all the styles like "cell" are needed | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | menesis, :) | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | ah yes, i noticed some of them are useless | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | background transparents and all... | 17:33 |
| menesis | but most important that you separated .js from template | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | ah, th1a i also checked the gradebook, and uses the same approach | 17:34 |
| menesis | however, schooltool.gradebook has the same problem | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | i'm planning to move to gradebook mode again this week, maybe i can do the same there? | 17:34 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:35 |
| menesis | if it is possible, would be very good | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i guess that's all i have, im going back to the gradebook preferences work, i'm still in the UI | 17:35 |
| th1a | replaceafill: This is probably an excellent time for you to do general cleanup. | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | th1a, the css is other one i'd like to do | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | for good | 17:36 |
| th1a | We're not going to start you on a big new project right before the holidays. | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | right | 17:37 |
| th1a | And there are plenty of things to tidy. | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | that's why i fixed that other cando bug, because it was small | 17:37 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll keep looking for things to clean and ask | 17:37 |
| th1a | OK, anything else? | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | no, i guess that's it | 17:37 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 17:37 |
| th1a | fsufitch! | 17:38 |
| th1a | ? | 17:38 |
| aelkner | did we keep his attention? :) | 17:38 |
| th1a | These kids today with their MTV attention spans! | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:39 |
| th1a | Well, in the meantime, one last thing from me. | 17:40 |
| th1a | Just a note that now that you're all eligible for bonuses, that also means that if the exchange rates go wacky next year, we'll compensate by lowering everyone's bonus pool proportionally. | 17:41 |
| th1a | fyi. | 17:41 |
| th1a | If we've lost fsufitch, then... | 17:41 |
| th1a | Have a great week gentlemen! | 17:41 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:42 | |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody! | 17:42 |
| yvl | great week guys :) | 17:42 |
| aelkner | great week everyone | 17:43 |
| fsufitch | oh hey | 17:43 |
| th1a | HAI! | 17:43 |
| fsufitch | i was zoned out | 17:43 |
| fsufitch | you did sort of keep my attention, but i'm also running on a bit less sleep than usual, since i normally wake up later than i did today | 17:44 |
| fsufitch | th1a, ping? | 17:46 |
| fsufitch | i am clearly bad at this :-| | 17:46 |
| th1a | Hello? | 17:46 |
| th1a | Do you have anything to report to the group? | 17:47 |
| th1a | Questions? | 17:47 |
| th1a | Comments? | 17:47 |
| fsufitch | not really, no, i just thought that since you pinged me at the end of things, you had something for me, but no, i dont have anythign for you | 17:47 |
| th1a | OK then. ;-) | 17:47 |
| fsufitch | allright | 17:47 |
| th1a | I've not managed much EVE lately. | 17:48 |
| fsufitch | me either, im just getting back into it | 17:49 |
| th1a | Have you played with the character creator? | 17:49 |
| fsufitch | but the current state of U'K is a bit unfriendly to frigateering, so im actually in the process of applying to T.R.I.A.D | 17:49 |
| fsufitch | yep, on Sisi | 17:49 |
| fsufitch | though it was an old version that was still glitchy and buggy | 17:49 |
| fsufitch | i'm waiting until they put the newer version on Sisi | 17:49 |
| th1a | Yeah, I'd imagine they'll be updating it soon. | 17:50 |
| fsufitch | it'll be a challenge getting Petrus to look at least remotely like he originally did, brutors undergo a massive change | 17:50 |
| th1a | Just go for a fresh start. | 17:50 |
| fsufitch | i guess, lol | 17:50 |
| th1a | I'm glad they aren't worrying about backward compatibility for faces. | 17:51 |
| fsufitch | well yeah, it's hard to maintain backward compatibility when the realism changes so much | 17:51 |
| th1a | Exactly. | 17:52 |
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| replaceafill | we should change the order of the 'make realclean' rule :) | 18:51 |
| replaceafill | delete eggs and instance first, and then run 'make clean' | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | it looks for all the pyc files in the eggs directory! | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | when it's about to delete it :/ | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | https://code.launchpad.net/~replaceafill/schooltool/replaceafill_schooltool/+merge/43539 | 18:54 |
| th1a | replaceafill walks around the code with his broom. | 19:02 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:02 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, what should i do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/675662 ? | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | i mean, we already helped trevor | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | thanks th1a | 19:49 |
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