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| aks | yvl: nice to see you back | 06:29 |
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| krishnagiri | hi yvl | 07:33 |
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| yvl | good morning, aks | 10:01 |
| aks | yvl: good morning | 10:09 |
| yvl | glad to see you're making progress on packaging | 10:10 |
| aks | yvl: yes, but we're bouncing at some random errors which we are trying to fix | 10:11 |
| yvl | Krishna Giri mentioned he can't find some packages with lower versions... | 10:11 |
| yvl | they should be available at pypi | 10:12 |
| yvl | and if you get stuck with the random errors, don't hesitate to ask | 10:12 |
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| th1a | good morning yvl, menesis, aelkner, replaceafill. | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | morning/afternoon everybody | 16:30 |
| aelkner | morning all | 16:31 |
| yvl | good morning guys | 16:32 |
| th1a | menesis? | 16:32 |
| menesis | hello. | 16:32 |
| th1a | OK, first order of business is that getting our packages into Ubuntu has gone into flashing-red status. | 16:33 |
| th1a | Where are we now? | 16:33 |
| menesis | yes | 16:33 |
| menesis | we are in feature freeze | 16:34 |
| th1a | Indeed. | 16:34 |
| menesis | and since I realized that I will not make it in time, my productivity has gone and I have done very little packaging | 16:34 |
| menesis | :( | 16:34 |
| th1a | menesis, that is not acceptable. | 16:35 |
| menesis | I know :( | 16:35 |
| th1a | Those packages need to be finished this week, period. | 16:36 |
| th1a | It is yvl's top priority, too. | 16:36 |
| th1a | If you don't want to do it, tell him what needs to be done. | 16:36 |
| th1a | Everyone's job here may depend on it. | 16:37 |
| menesis | yvl has fixed schooltool to work with the newer versions of zope packages that I want to use, I'll ask him to merge them | 16:37 |
| th1a | Mine, aelkner's, replaceafill's, yvl's, ok? | 16:37 |
| th1a | It doesn't matter which packages, or even which version of SchoolTool it is. | 16:38 |
| menesis | and upload all the packages to the ppa, where sponsors can take them and upload to ubuntu | 16:38 |
| menesis | I know. | 16:38 |
| th1a | How long will it take to get this done? | 16:39 |
| menesis | not sure, have to see how it goes, how much time a few packages take, and estimate then | 16:41 |
| menesis | but if it has to be done this week period, the target date is clear. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Yes, it *must* be done this week. | 16:42 |
| th1a | I guess that's all there is to say about that. | 16:44 |
| menesis | agree | 16:45 |
| th1a | Mark asked me to set up a demo for him to try out SchoolTool, the first time that's happened in over 5 years. | 16:45 |
| th1a | So I'm going to be working on that. | 16:45 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Can you fix the CanDo CSS today? | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | sure | 16:45 |
| th1a | OK, do that first. | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | will do | 16:46 |
| th1a | And then install it on the demo instance. | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | got it | 16:46 |
| yvl | do you need FCK editor fix also? | 16:47 |
| th1a | Also, give me an account on the server (as "hoffman") so I can nuke the db if I need to. | 16:47 |
| th1a | yvl: Would be nice. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ok | 16:47 |
| yvl | ok, I'm nearly done with it | 16:47 |
| th1a | yvl: What are you doing to it? | 16:47 |
| yvl | so that it won't break with paste or insterting a link | 16:48 |
| yvl | also, minor cleanup of "Upload" and other buttons that are actually not working | 16:48 |
| yvl | that's it | 16:49 |
| th1a | Fiddling with the config settings? | 16:49 |
| yvl | yes | 16:50 |
| yvl | minor changes | 16:50 |
| yvl | very minor | 16:50 |
| th1a | Yes, that's all it needed. | 16:50 |
| yvl | ok | 16:50 |
| th1a | A little love and affection. | 16:50 |
| yvl | :) | 16:50 |
| menesis | minor css proposal: when button-neutral class was added, it's color was made ugly light blue. It would be much better if the neutral color was grey. | 16:50 |
| th1a | I like the blue! | 16:51 |
| th1a | It is from the same GNOME palette. | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | th1a, account details sent | 16:52 |
| th1a | menesis: If you want to make a screenshot of a different button color, I'll consider it. | 16:53 |
| yvl | th1a, when's the demo scheduled? | 16:53 |
| menesis | ok | 16:54 |
| th1a | Well, I'm basically just pointing Mark to it. | 16:54 |
| th1a | (that's what he wanted) | 16:54 |
| th1a | With a few instructions. | 16:54 |
| th1a | He wants to see what it looks like to a teacher, so, you know, if it takes a lot of commentary to make sense from a teacher's point of view, that would be a problem. | 16:55 |
| th1a | So I just have to make up sections and fully populate them as much as possible. | 16:55 |
| yvl | are you thinking to also do the Cambodia demo? | 16:56 |
| th1a | And he also asked about student views, which is particularly why I'd like CanDo working, because iirc, they have better student views. | 16:56 |
| yvl | or a few screenshots maybe? | 16:56 |
| th1a | yvl: Not really, since most of the changes there are in setup. | 16:56 |
| th1a | I could remind him of the video walkthrough. | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | th1a, better student views in CanDo? | 16:57 |
| th1a | Students can log into CanDo, right? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | you mean, like the student being able to see his competencies grades? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:57 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:57 |
| th1a | Students can do that, right? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:57 |
| yvl | Cambodia may show how simple and focused ST can be easily made for specific deployments | 16:57 |
| yvl | just a random thought. | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | i think it's a good a approach to show the whole thing and then show something small like cambodia | 16:58 |
| th1a | I'll remind him of the Cambodia video. | 16:58 |
| th1a | How was your vacation, yvl? | 17:00 |
| yvl | great, thanks! | 17:01 |
| th1a | OK, so you and menesis know what you're doing this week. | 17:01 |
| yvl | spent it in my parent's summer house | 17:01 |
| yvl | yes | 17:01 |
| th1a | Where? | 17:01 |
| menesis | yes | 17:01 |
| yvl | southern Lithuania | 17:02 |
| th1a | On the coast? | 17:02 |
| yvl | no, in the woods :) | 17:02 |
| th1a | (I guess there is no coast in southern Lithuania) | 17:02 |
| yvl | :) | 17:02 |
| yvl | lots of nature, and a lot of rare species of everything | 17:02 |
| yvl | from mushrooms to birds | 17:02 |
| th1a | Excavate any WWII tanks? | 17:02 |
| yvl | they're further south, I think ;) | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK, better move things along... | 17:03 |
| yvl | (at least I remember finding bunkers there :) ) | 17:03 |
| yvl | ok | 17:03 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I'm going to send an email to Javier about the schedule. | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | th1a, ok | 17:04 |
| th1a | That is, in response to replaceafill's query about deployment Javier said, essentially, well, I guess we underestimated how long this will take and we'll shoot for March. | 17:04 |
| th1a | (correct, replaceafill?) | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | yes | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | march 2011 | 17:04 |
| th1a | Although most of the delay I'd argue has been on their side. | 17:05 |
| yvl | they'll probably need almost all of the functionality by the end of 2010, right? | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | he also said they're having a meeting to define report requirements | 17:05 |
| th1a | Well, we absolutely will be shooting for having everything ready this year. | 17:06 |
| yvl | "The program should be finished by the end of the year and it should be tested and handed to the Department of Secondary Education by March 2011. | 17:06 |
| yvl | " | 17:06 |
| th1a | I need to be able to report something other than "we're working on it." | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | i think having feedback on the gradebook will speed things up | 17:06 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:07 |
| th1a | I mean, the only thing I'm *really* worried about is a last minute decision to use a different product. | 17:07 |
| th1a | Well, that and just never really getting a complete set of requirements. | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | th1a, to be honest, i was worried these past two weeks because of the same... | 17:08 |
| yvl | I'm also a bit worried about "logistics" of the reports | 17:08 |
| th1a | Hm? Printers? | 17:08 |
| yvl | I'd be happier if I knew :) | 17:09 |
| th1a | Or within SchoolTool? | 17:09 |
| yvl | both, actually | 17:09 |
| th1a | Report infrastructure within SchoolTool is probably the next internal plumbing project. | 17:09 |
| th1a | Maybe November/December. | 17:10 |
| yvl | yeah, that sounds likely | 17:10 |
| aelkner | let | 17:10 |
| aelkner | let's please make that a collaborative effort | 17:11 |
| th1a | We'll try. | 17:11 |
| aelkner | i will be very interested in any design decisions as i have written many reports | 17:11 |
| th1a | I'll make yvl be more communicative. | 17:11 |
| aelkner | and the request mechanism for them is not what it could be | 17:11 |
| th1a | Since he won't be up to his neck in timetable cruft. | 17:12 |
| yvl | sure | 17:12 |
| aelkner | yvl, we should schedule meetings to work together when you get to that project | 17:12 |
| th1a | We will, when the time comes. | 17:12 |
| yvl | aelkner, if you have time and comments about what is incovenient with reports, please email | 17:13 |
| aelkner | just let me know when you start to work on it | 17:13 |
| yvl | ok | 17:13 |
| th1a | Don't worry, we'll be discussing it here. | 17:14 |
| yvl | yes | 17:14 |
| th1a | replaceafill, How are things coming with the schools in El Salvador? | 17:14 |
| aelkner | cool | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | one school is almost ready to start using it, el calvario | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | i havent worked much in the other school, esaes | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | the one with the journal thing... | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | remember? | 17:15 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | and in the third school, la soledad, they have a burocratic mess because they recently changed the principal and other leaders | 17:16 |
| th1a | Ah, that's a familiar story. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | they called me asking about the project, who was funding it, and a bunch of weird questions... | 17:16 |
| th1a | So probably starting over from scratch there. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | i was like "wtf?" | 17:16 |
| th1a | Who was your contact there before? | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | so i'll stick with the first 2 schools | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | the old principal | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | i mean, the former principal | 17:17 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | she was a nice lady but had no idea about computers | 17:17 |
| th1a | Is there anything in particular left to do for El Calvario? | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | but she bought the free software idea | 17:18 |
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| replaceafill | gradebook for 7-9 grades has different requirements | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | like cambodia | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | different layout of activities | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | but it's at most 2 days of work i think | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | i have some report examples already | 17:18 |
| th1a | OK. It seems like this might be a good time to do that. | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | excellent | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | i will do that | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | yvl, thanks for your reply to my i18n question (smile) | 17:20 |
| th1a | replaceafill will be using text emoticons following our discussion last Friday and my subsequent blog post: http://www.tuttlesvc.org/2010/08/21st-century-skillz.html | 17:21 |
| yvl | you're welcome :) | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | th1a, see, one comment said 9/10 (wink) | 17:21 |
| th1a | Oh, yvl, what's the status with krishnagiri? | 17:21 |
| th1a | I need to catch up with the email thread... | 17:22 |
| yvl | they made a distribution with latest versions of packages instead of KGS | 17:22 |
| yvl | a moment... | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | yvl, i notice plugin detection wasnt working right for them, correct? | 17:23 |
| yvl | here's their latest status https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/620866 | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | he had the gradebook configure.zcml but the requirement package wasnt being activated | 17:23 |
| yvl | replaceafill, yes | 17:24 |
| yvl | thanks for the help! | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | (smile) | 17:24 |
| yvl | I told them to disable automatic plugin detection, because there had weird problems with that | 17:24 |
| yvl | manual way seemed easier | 17:24 |
| yvl | and it seems they actually were able to start the server, so it's a matter of packaging right versions | 17:25 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:25 |
| yvl | and some "random problems" they seem to be having... | 17:25 |
| th1a | Well, we seem to have better communication going now, so we should be able to work through it. | 17:26 |
| * yvl agrees | 17:27 | |
| th1a | Getting people onto LP helps, instead of showing up here in the wrong timezone. | 17:27 |
| th1a | OK, thanks replaceafill. | 17:27 |
| * replaceafill got fedora 13 just in case schooltool rmp's are ready soon... | 17:27 | |
| * yvl too ;) | 17:27 | |
| yvl | but they package for Fedore 9 I think | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | ah damn! | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | yvl, btw, have you seen a date dropdown date widget | 17:28 |
| th1a | aelkner, I'm looking at your reports. | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | not as older as http://svn.zope.org/z3c.widget/trunk/src/z3c/widget/dropdowndatewidget/ | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | yvl, but i'll ask later, in email | 17:28 |
| th1a | But I guess we might as well discuss them on the phone. | 17:29 |
| aelkner | yvl, i tried changing the pageSize attribute in my pdf view this: | 17:29 |
| aelkner | pageSize = pagesizes.landscape(pagesizes.A4) | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, btw i'm still playing with the gradebook, but i will report the extra credit-average bug so we dont forget | 17:29 |
| th1a | Unless you have some questions for yvl. | 17:30 |
| aelkner | as an override of the base class which is used by the rml macro | 17:30 |
| aelkner | butit didn't cause the PDF to come up in landscape orientation | 17:30 |
| aelkner | it just caused the report to look bad, lots of leading space that i didn't ask for | 17:30 |
| aelkner | i was wondering if we need to add something to the macro for page orientation | 17:31 |
| aelkner | th1a, i can walk you through using the pdf as it is when we talk on the phone | 17:31 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:32 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, thanks again for catching it | 17:32 |
| yvl | hmm, there was something... sorry, can't remember right away | 17:32 |
| yvl | if it's not too urgent, I can look at this tomorrow? | 17:33 |
| aelkner | could you look into it when you have the chance and perhaps post to the mailing list? | 17:33 |
| yvl | sure! | 17:33 |
| aelkner | thanks | 17:33 |
| aelkner | th1a, i created the html version as a fallback | 17:33 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:34 |
| aelkner | and the pdf view classes subclass then | 17:34 |
| aelkner | so as to keep the code the same between the two | 17:34 |
| th1a | Good. | 17:34 |
| th1a | OK, we'll talk reports on the phone. | 17:34 |
| * yvl likes that direction, aelkner :) | 17:34 | |
| aelkner | :) | 17:35 |
| th1a | Also, don't lose that Nigerian school census I re-sent to you last week. | 17:35 |
| aelkner | i won't lose it | 17:35 |
| th1a | Nigeria has 150 million people in it. | 17:35 |
| th1a | Lots of schools. | 17:35 |
| yvl | wow | 17:36 |
| th1a | I was looking up some numbers when emailing Mark last week. | 17:36 |
| th1a | Virginia is a bit over half the population of Cambodia and Zambia. | 17:36 |
| th1a | About twice the size of El Salvador. | 17:37 |
| th1a | I brought this up in the context of scaling up. | 17:37 |
| th1a | Also, I got an official Nokia data cable for my phone, and got it sending SMS's over USB from my laptop. | 17:38 |
| th1a | Although I think the problem was actually dirty contacts in the phone, not the original cable. | 17:38 |
| th1a | So hopefully I can get my SchoolTool box demo running by the Maker Faire on Saturday. | 17:39 |
| th1a | (that's using Gnokii to talk to the phone, btw) | 17:39 |
| th1a | OK. I think we're done here. | 17:40 |
| yvl | I was about to ask that :) | 17:40 |
| yvl | (about Gnokii) | 17:40 |
| th1a | Have a good week, gentlemen, and let's get those packages done! | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:40 |
| aelkner | great week everyone | 17:40 |
| yvl | great week to you all | 17:41 |
| th1a | Oh, I'm shooting for having Mark's server ready by the end of the day tomorrow. | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | good to know | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | yvl, you applying the fck fix to trunk, correct? | 17:42 |
| yvl | now that I think of it, tomorrow, and yes | 17:42 |
| yvl | I don't want to make hasty stupid bugs | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | (smile) CanDo being used in a sailing club (https://answers.launchpad.net/cando/+question/121953) | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | interesting competency set | 17:47 |
| th1a | That's someone in Virginia that Welsh knows. | 17:48 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:48 |
| th1a | I suspect. | 17:48 |
| th1a | Unless it is a different sailing school. | 17:48 |
| th1a | aelkner: I'll call you in about 10 minutes. | 17:49 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:49 |
| aelkner | home phone please | 17:49 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:50 |
| yvl | replaceafill, aelkner | 18:03 |
| replaceafill | yvl? | 18:03 |
| yvl | I'll be merging ST ported to new KGS tomorrow | 18:03 |
| yvl | to trunk | 18:03 |
| yvl | if any of your branches break for any reason, let me know | 18:03 |
| replaceafill | will need to update eggs, right? | 18:03 |
| yvl | yes | 18:04 |
| replaceafill | got it | 18:04 |
| replaceafill | yvl, ztk? | 18:04 |
| yvl | of course, not notifying in advance is an exception, not a desired way to do things ;) | 18:04 |
| yvl | yes | 18:04 |
| yvl | BlueBream beta 3 | 18:04 |
| replaceafill | yvl, does the ztk have a file like our versions.cfg? | 18:05 |
| yvl | of course :) | 18:05 |
| yvl | ah | 18:05 |
| yvl | Mark's demo | 18:06 |
| yvl | we should probably use revisions / eggs before the KGS update | 18:06 |
| yvl | I'll pin version numbers in some branch | 18:06 |
| replaceafill | please | 18:06 |
| yvl | for your convenience ;) | 18:06 |
| replaceafill | thank you very much (wink) | 18:07 |
| yvl | allright then | 18:07 |
| yvl | good luck, guys :) | 18:08 |
| * yvl wanders off | 18:08 | |
| replaceafill | can anyone confirm that the fieldset in the Add new term view looks weird like this: | 18:29 |
| replaceafill | http://imagebin.ca/view/CC6MdsiP.html | 18:29 |
| replaceafill | or is it just my browser? | 18:29 |
| * replaceafill installs chromium... | 18:30 | |
| th1a | Yeah, I've seen that. | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | ... chromium is the name of a game in debian ... | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | chromium-browser is what i need.... | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | th1a, is it ok if i change the width of some forms to make them a bit wider? | 18:37 |
| replaceafill | not too much | 18:37 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:37 |
| th1a | Bear in mind that some of these decisions were made when we were still worrying about small CRD screens, 256 colors, (no javascript), etc. | 18:38 |
| th1a | Things which aren't really relevant anymore. | 18:38 |
| th1a | So yes, we can change. | 18:38 |
| replaceafill | yes, form are kind of narrow | 18:38 |
| replaceafill | forms | 18:38 |
| th1a | In particular, insofar as they encourage/force us to make forms that are a stack of fields, when it would be better to have fields next to each other, that is a problem. | 18:43 |
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| replaceafill | ah!! of course, this form width stuff gets funnier when you take into i18n into account... | 18:49 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 19:11 |
| th1a | y | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | i need advice | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | in CanDo we have a 'Gradebook' button and also the ST gradebook has one | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | since they use the same menu and title | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | the ST one overrides CanDo's | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | we need to change a title | 19:12 |
| th1a | Which button where seen by whom? | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | or change the way buttons are implemented | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | as seen by anyone | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | in the section view | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | http://imagebin.ca/view/QuUMH8u.html | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | i also hate how buttons get split across two rows... | 19:16 |
| th1a | That whole thing needs to be fixed. | 19:16 |
| th1a | But beyond that, are we talking about action buttons or the top row buttons. | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | no, action | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | gray ones | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | well, everything is gray actually | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | not the tabs | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | after Assignments, you see Gradebook | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | that's the button that collides in ST Gradebook and CanDo | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | CanDo's not shown | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | so i was thinking | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | should we change CanDo's button title? | 19:18 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | or the gradebook's | 19:18 |
| th1a | CanDo's. | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | but we should tell dwelsh and company, right? | 19:19 |
| th1a | Well, just call it CanDo Gradebook. | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | ah cool | 19:19 |
| th1a | But also, this isn't how teachers should be getting there anyhow, right? | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | you mean, if they use the cando skin? right, they have a menu to get to the CanDo gradebook | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | grade student competencies and all | 19:20 |
| th1a | OK, so it isn't a big deal. | 19:20 |
| th1a | Do we still have the problem where kids see two Gradebook tabs? | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | ah, i haven't checked that | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | is there a bug reported? | 19:21 |
| th1a | I don't really know. | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | i'll look | 19:22 |
| th1a | I don't necessarily stay on top of CanDo bugs. | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | true | 19:22 |
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| replaceafill | aelkner, yvl, ping | 22:23 |
| replaceafill | does anyone see a problem with creating a custom layer in the schooltool.gradebook package? | 22:24 |
| replaceafill | and put the gradebook views/resources there | 22:24 |
| replaceafill | i'm thinking if plugins should declare their own skins/layers in order to avoid resource clashes | 22:25 |
| replaceafill | like the one between cando and the gradebook | 22:25 |
| replaceafill | (assuming that cando is a plugin (smile)) | 22:25 |
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| th1a | replaceafill, You're allowed to use emoticons other than :| ;-) | 22:41 |
| replaceafill | no man! explicitness! | 22:41 |
| replaceafill | i still feel bad for the past two years with you | 22:42 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, u around? | 23:59 |
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