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| ryanpg | Hi all, how do I set the inital calendar view (not logged in) to monthly? | 18:12 |
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| th1a | Hi ryanpg. | 18:14 |
| th1a | Hm... I don't believe you can. | 18:14 |
| ryanpg | oh, ok | 18:15 |
| ryanpg | I know this is the wrong place to post bugs, but I'd like to mention a serious one | 18:15 |
| th1a | Certainly. | 18:15 |
| ryanpg | pasting into forms causes a problem for me | 18:16 |
| th1a | From Word? | 18:16 |
| ryanpg | when I attempt to do so, a browser window (without decoration or controls) pops up | 18:16 |
| ryanpg | from anything in the clipboard | 18:16 |
| th1a | In any field in any form? | 18:16 |
| ryanpg | yes | 18:16 |
| th1a | What browser are you using? | 18:17 |
| ryanpg | firefox | 18:17 |
| th1a | I assume a recent one? On Linux? | 18:17 |
| ryanpg | a screenshot would explain it best, but the window contents are the schooltool home page with the "Not Found" message | 18:17 |
| ryanpg | yes, the current version on ubuntu 10.4 | 18:18 |
| th1a | Does it happen with other browsers? | 18:18 |
| ryanpg | haven't tried... | 18:18 |
| ryanpg | which would you like me to install to test? | 18:19 |
| th1a | Please. | 18:19 |
| th1a | Perhaps Chrome. | 18:19 |
| ryanpg | ok, can do | 18:19 |
| ryanpg | btw, I'm rolling out schooltool in my small private school this fall :) | 18:19 |
| th1a | Nice. | 18:20 |
| th1a | Let us know what kinds of reports you need. | 18:20 |
| ryanpg | hmm... well I'm actually thinking of using cando | 18:21 |
| ryanpg | we're a therapeutic school and we would like a method of tracking progress on individual goals | 18:21 |
| th1a | Oh... I really need to write some interventions documentation then... | 18:22 |
| ryanpg | oh yes please! | 18:23 |
| ryanpg | I'd love to have more documentation | 18:23 |
| th1a | OK. Real people asking helps my motivation. | 18:23 |
| ryanpg | the book is a great start, but I've struggled with finding some stuff (as with my first question today) | 18:23 |
| th1a | I just need to get back to updating it. | 18:24 |
| ryanpg | th1a, are you a "lead" developer then? | 18:25 |
| * ryanpg installs chrome | 18:25 | |
| th1a | I'm the manager... lead ex-teacher, amateur developer. | 18:26 |
| th1a | I'm the person who knows something about schools, in other words. | 18:26 |
| ryanpg | awesome! then you and I should become close friends! :) | 18:26 |
| th1a | And tells the developers what to do. | 18:26 |
| th1a | Where are you again? | 18:27 |
| th1a | I think I asked you that before. | 18:27 |
| ryanpg | same error with chrome btw | 18:28 |
| ryanpg | I'm located in Northern Illinois, near Chicago | 18:28 |
| ryanpg | th1a, maybe you did - I don't remember actually talking with anyone here - though I have joined this channel before | 18:28 |
| ryanpg | the worst thing about this paste error, there's no (immediately obvious) way to close the window. My teachers and admin would be flummoxed, flabbergasted and f... confused! | 18:29 |
| ryanpg | :D | 18:30 |
| ryanpg | of course, hitting the back arrow get's you to where you started, but you lose anything you've entered in the form you're working on | 18:30 |
| ryanpg | I'm updating my system, just in case, but this is a fresh install on a new server | 18:32 |
| th1a | Sorry... distracted by my wife... | 18:38 |
| th1a | That's a bizarre error. | 18:39 |
| ryanpg | np, my wife is at the gym right now, hence my uninterrupted and cogent thought process | 18:39 |
| ryanpg | and a rather serious error | 18:39 |
| th1a | I can't replicate it. | 18:40 |
| th1a | Le'ts try this. | 18:40 |
| th1a | Go to the little document icon menu in chrome and Developer... | 18:41 |
| th1a | Javascript console | 18:41 |
| ryanpg | k | 18:42 |
| th1a | Hit the little clear button at the bottom. | 18:42 |
| th1a | The circle/slash. | 18:43 |
| ryanpg | k | 18:43 |
| th1a | Now try to paste into SchoolTool in Chrome. | 18:43 |
| ryanpg | aha! ok, it's not _any_ field | 18:44 |
| ryanpg | it's the formatted text fields only | 18:44 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:44 |
| th1a | That helps. | 18:44 |
| ryanpg | i.e. "Description" under Add Event in the calendar | 18:44 |
| th1a | Ah... | 18:45 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:45 |
| th1a | And this is using the little Javascript popup menu. | 18:45 |
| ryanpg | yes | 18:45 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:46 |
| th1a | If you do CTRL-V it works? | 18:46 |
| ryanpg | yes | 18:46 |
| th1a | OK. I'll file the bug. | 18:46 |
| ryanpg | whew, thanks! | 18:46 |
| ryanpg | I really needed your guidance on being specific | 18:46 |
| ryanpg | my bug would have been worthless as I presented it to you! | 18:47 |
| th1a | Bug reports aren't easy, unfortunately. | 18:47 |
| ryanpg | no they aren't | 18:47 |
| ryanpg | and they're horrible as a way of interfacing with a "user" | 18:47 |
| ryanpg | I've got gnome bugs still unresolved that are >6 years old | 18:48 |
| ryanpg | have a bit more time to help with another question? | 18:49 |
| th1a | Sure. | 18:50 |
| ryanpg | I can get to schooltool just fine from the machine it's installed on via http://localhost:7080, and apache can be accessed from other machines on the network (http://192.168.1.5 reports It works!) but I can't access schooltool from other machines | 18:50 |
| ryanpg | http://192.168.1.5:7080 gives a "could not connect to 192.168.1.5:7080" error | 18:51 |
| th1a | http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/remote.html?highlight=accessible | 18:51 |
| ryanpg | k, thnx | 18:51 |
| ryanpg | thanks for indulging my laziness | 18:51 |
| ryanpg | :) | 18:51 |
| th1a | We go back and forth about that setting. | 18:52 |
| ryanpg | eh, a more thorough reading of the book on my part would have resolved it | 18:53 |
| ryanpg | so, should I be using cando then? or just schooltool-2009? | 18:54 |
| th1a | Do you need to do actual competency tracking, or tracking more free-form goals for individual students? | 18:55 |
| ryanpg | free-form goals really, we have daily "point sheets" with 4-8 individual goals | 18:58 |
| ryanpg | each goal is currently tracked every class period | 18:58 |
| th1a | Ah... | 18:59 |
| th1a | Hm... | 18:59 |
| th1a | Different goals per student? | 19:00 |
| ryanpg | yes | 19:00 |
| th1a | Academic goals? | 19:00 |
| th1a | Hm... | 19:00 |
| ryanpg | Mostly behavioral, but some academic like "completes assigned homework" - I'm also teaching myself mysql+php so that I can create custom databases with web front-ends | 19:01 |
| th1a | You want to track daily scores, right. | 19:01 |
| th1a | Have a running record. | 19:01 |
| ryanpg | that would be good, with the option to create weekly, monthly, quarterly, semesterly, yearly reports | 19:01 |
| th1a | This actually sounds like what a school we're working with in El Salvador needs. | 19:01 |
| ryanpg | hm | 19:02 |
| th1a | Basically the journal is set up to allow you to enter ONE score per student per day. | 19:02 |
| ryanpg | hm | 19:02 |
| th1a | Anyway, CanDo isn't what you want for this. | 19:03 |
| ryanpg | I think for our purposes, it would be best to allow one score per period, per goal - re: cando - ok, that's good to know, I won't spend more time in researching it | 19:03 |
| th1a | Right, that's what the people in El Salvador want too. | 19:04 |
| th1a | I'll look into it. | 19:04 |
| ryanpg | well that would be awesome | 19:04 |
| ryanpg | too bad schooltool doesn't have an easy way to add "modules" | 19:05 |
| th1a | Probably not something we'd have ready for the beginning of school. | 19:05 |
| ryanpg | so that I could just write database queries | 19:05 |
| ryanpg | oh of course not, wasn't expecting that! | 19:05 |
| th1a | You can add modules to SchoolTool pretty easily -- if you understand SchoolTool. | 19:06 |
| th1a | If you know what I mean. | 19:06 |
| th1a | But understanding SchoolTool, unfortunately is hard. | 19:07 |
| ryanpg | yes, I do know what you mean. It's just that I can buy a book teaching me how to develop for mysql in php at borders. No such book on schooltool :( | 19:07 |
| ryanpg | well, I'm really drawn to schooltool | 19:07 |
| ryanpg | I love ubuntu, and shuttleworth seems to consider schooltool a pet project (at least at one point) and the other SISs I tried aren't as err... teacher friendly? | 19:08 |
| th1a | I'm writing a sort of strategy analysis right now of SchoolTool vs. LAMP. | 19:08 |
| ryanpg | hm | 19:08 |
| th1a | Mark still more or less entirely funds SchoolTool. | 19:08 |
| ryanpg | that's great really - I hope it grows | 19:09 |
| ryanpg | there's only a few other open source SIS packages out there | 19:09 |
| th1a | We're going to be aiming more at making it an appliance. | 19:09 |
| ryanpg | Focus-sis went to crud | 19:09 |
| ryanpg | like selling hardware with schooltool installed? | 19:09 |
| th1a | That and a "virtual appliance" using VM's. | 19:10 |
| ryanpg | Focus-sis finally stopped calling itself "open source" after I called and emailed the current president of the company | 19:10 |
| ryanpg | ahh | 19:10 |
| ryanpg | interesting | 19:10 |
| ryanpg | I never saw the need for VMs in my setting | 19:10 |
| th1a | Well, or apt-get. | 19:10 |
| ryanpg | ? | 19:11 |
| ryanpg | like a school-tool overlay, similar to ubuntu-studio? | 19:11 |
| th1a | I'm just saying, you've got three good options for very simple installation. | 19:11 |
| ryanpg | ok, ic | 19:11 |
| th1a | And we've got good tools for, say, a national version of SchoolTool to be distributed across a developing nation. | 19:12 |
| ryanpg | that would rock | 19:12 |
| ryanpg | I love the emphasis on developing technology for poor/developing communities | 19:12 |
| ryanpg | extremely important imho | 19:12 |
| th1a | So we can do, like, "send these boxes to the poorest schools, the ones with good servers can do VM's and those in the middle might want to apt-get." | 19:13 |
| th1a | http://www.tuttlesvc.org/2010/06/schooltoolbox-explained.html | 19:13 |
| ryanpg | the only problem i see with "sending boxes" is that they are likely to get uhm... reallocated or repurposed or... resold :) | 19:14 |
| th1a | Well, perhaps, but really it is like sending someone a Linux-based router. | 19:14 |
| th1a | How many people are going to figure out how to reflash them to do... something else with them? | 19:14 |
| ryanpg | yeah, I love the idea of embedded or small form-factor linux | 19:15 |
| th1a | It is great that there's now a standard platform. | 19:15 |
| th1a | And Ubuntu is going to be focusing a lot on ARM architectures. | 19:15 |
| ryanpg | oh I don't know - but yeah, if we're talking a small box with a firmware/lcd and a few buttons - it's a great idea | 19:15 |
| ryanpg | don't know = "How many people are going to figure out..." | 19:16 |
| ryanpg | I just installed an LG shared storage device on our network, I love it | 19:16 |
| ryanpg | though I'm fairly certain they're in total violation of the GPL | 19:17 |
| ryanpg | and I really hate how "locked down" it is, no ssh, no rsh, no access to web server config etc. | 19:17 |
| th1a | It can be hard to tell. | 19:17 |
| th1a | They just have to make the source available. | 19:18 |
| ryanpg | sometimes yes it's hard to tell, sometimes it's obvious - it really burns me up when companies steal OSS | 19:18 |
| ryanpg | LG does not offer a source download afaik, certainly not in an obvious way | 19:18 |
| ryanpg | it would be awesome if I could roll some custom firmwares though, anyway, we're way OT | 19:19 |
| ryanpg | :) | 19:19 |
| ryanpg | last thought: ironically, LG is one of the companies that settled with Micro$oft over using linux! They actually paid microsoft to use linux, while continuing to violate the GPL | 19:23 |
| ryanpg | anyway, thank you very much for your help today th1a | 19:23 |
| th1a | Sure! | 19:24 |
| ryanpg | going to spend another hour or so exploring schooltool, then call it a day. have a good afternoon and evening | 19:33 |
| th1a | You too. | 19:33 |
| th1a | I just got an LG air conditioner... whether it is running Linux idk. | 19:34 |
| ryanpg | lol | 19:34 |
| ryanpg | I need to get central air. But I'll boycott LG | 19:34 |
| ryanpg | :P | 19:35 |
| ryanpg | ttyl | 19:46 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, u around? | 19:56 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, meet dreich | 23:51 |
| jelkner | dreich, meet replaceafill | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | hello dreich | 23:51 |
| jelkner | dreich has been making a lot of progress on the doctest quiz application | 23:51 |
| dreich | hi, replaceafill | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | doctest quiz application? | 23:52 |
| dreich | Yeah, students can take python quizzes made by the teachers | 23:52 |
| dreich | they write functions that fufill doctests | 23:52 |
| jelkner | remember, replaceafill, i mentioned that we want to be able to send the results to ST as an external activity in the gradebook? | 23:53 |
| replaceafill | nice | 23:53 |
| replaceafill | ah, yes | 23:53 |
| replaceafill | from this app? | 23:53 |
| jelkner | yes | 23:53 |
| dreich | (I have no idea how to do this) | 23:53 |
| replaceafill | dreich, to be honest neither do i :P | 23:54 |
| dreich | guess we'll have to figure it out together then | 23:54 |
| replaceafill | the only way i know of sharing stuff with schooltool automatically is through xmlrpc calls | 23:54 |
| jelkner | and since you are two of the smartest people i know, i'm sure you can do it! ;-) | 23:55 |
| replaceafill | well, that's the way i've seen it and done it | 23:55 |
| dreich | I've never used xmlrpc, but i've heard it's not taht hard | 23:55 |
| dreich | *that | 23:55 |
| replaceafill | not at all | 23:56 |
| jelkner | seems to me this is the problem: | 23:56 |
| dreich | I've been wanting to look at it for other stuff too, so good | 23:56 |
| jelkner | we need a dialog that runs like this: | 23:56 |
| jelkner | hi ST, i'm an external application wishing to send you data | 23:56 |
| jelkner | i have a student here who claims to be in a section of yours | 23:57 |
| jelkner | and she says she has a quiz due | 23:57 |
| jelkner | she wants to send you her scores | 23:57 |
| jelkner | ST: fire away, DocTestQuiz | 23:57 |
| jelkner | ST: yup, she is in my system | 23:57 |
| jelkner | send me her scores | 23:57 |
| jelkner | so dreich will need from you, replaceafill, what the data has to look like on the ST side to make that happen | 23:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ST doesn't know how to do that | 23:58 |
| jelkner | can you teach it? | 23:58 |
| replaceafill | :| | 23:59 |
| jelkner | th1a thought that perhaps you could ;-) | 23:59 |
| replaceafill | using xmlrpc, sure | 23:59 |
| jelkner | yes | 23:59 |
| replaceafill | using other approach, not sure :D | 23:59 |
| jelkner | what other approach? | 23:59 |
| replaceafill | REST? | 23:59 |
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