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| th1a | Hi. | 16:33 |
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| yvl | good morning guys :) | 16:33 |
| th1a | Hello yvl, replaceafill, aelkner. | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | good morning | 16:34 |
| th1a | First off, I'd like to express Jennifer and my condolences to replaceafill. | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | :( | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | thanks Tom | 16:34 |
| th1a | :( indeed. | 16:34 |
| yvl | ...? :( | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | yvl, my brother in law was killed last week :( | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | it just *sucks*! | 16:36 |
| yvl | oh... sincere condolence. | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | thanks guys | 16:37 |
| th1a | I'll send a note to Javier, etc. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | good morning | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | th1a thanks | 16:38 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, so sorry to hear of your loss | 16:38 |
| th1a | What do you want to do this week, replaceafill? | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i think i'll be able to finish the demo | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | i'll try to help marcela with camila during the day | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | but i can work at night | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | it's just the filtering students feature that is missing | 16:39 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | tomorrow maybe | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | it will be ready | 16:40 |
| th1a | I'll let them know. | 16:40 |
| th1a | I'm going to be getting ready to travel on Thursday and driving all day Friday. | 16:41 |
| th1a | And at my parents until next Friday. | 16:41 |
| th1a | At this point my mother may be more wired than me though, so I'll be available. | 16:42 |
| th1a | And yvl is on vacation this week, too. | 16:43 |
| th1a | yvl: Did you send that email to aelkner and replaceafill? | 16:43 |
| yvl | I forgot to CC... | 16:43 |
| yvl | in short: we have bank holiday here Mon/Tue, | 16:44 |
| yvl | I'm on vacation this week | 16:44 |
| yvl | timetable changes are at lp:~justas-pov/schooltool/timetables | 16:44 |
| yvl | menesis should merge them and release to development PPA once he's back | 16:45 |
| yvl | that's it | 16:45 |
| th1a | OK. I'll send menesis an email. | 16:46 |
| yvl | I asked him live, but it was Friday evening, so... | 16:46 |
| th1a | Sure. | 16:47 |
| th1a | aelkner and I learned about phones last week. | 16:47 |
| * yvl too, by the way | 16:47 | |
| aelkner | thanks yvl for your input last week | 16:48 |
| yvl | hope it's useful | 16:48 |
| aelkner | it was a morale boster | 16:48 |
| yvl | :) | 16:48 |
| th1a | This seems to be the most useful thing I found for getting the phone connected: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1199026 | 16:48 |
| th1a | I picked up a cheap phone on Friday but it doesn't do the "Dial Up Networking" service over bluetooth so I have to take it back. | 16:49 |
| th1a | US carriers are infamous for not allowing tethering. | 16:50 |
| yvl | th1a, did you try gammu with it? | 16:50 |
| yvl | at least for sending sms | 16:51 |
| th1a | Yeah. The problem with gammu is that its error messages suck. | 16:51 |
| yvl | agreed :) | 16:51 |
| th1a | You need to work at a lower level. | 16:51 |
| th1a | Basically, the phone advertises what services it offers over bluetooth. | 16:51 |
| th1a | So the phone I got just offers earphone support, essentially vCard import. | 16:52 |
| th1a | Not modem emulation. | 16:52 |
| yvl | no USB connection either? | 16:52 |
| th1a | Well... it might be possible. | 16:52 |
| th1a | But then I'd have to spend more money, and I don't know how it works. | 16:53 |
| th1a | It might be the same deal, right? | 16:53 |
| yvl | probably | 16:53 |
| yvl | there's a chance (because it's a cheap phone) that they do not offer some of the features via bluetooth | 16:54 |
| yvl | like listing sms, sending sms | 16:54 |
| th1a | Anyhow, aelkner's phone says it does Dial Up Networking, so he'll probably have to be the guinea pig. | 16:54 |
| yvl | what is the manufacturer of your phone, th1a? | 16:55 |
| th1a | It is hard for those of you outside the US to fully appreciate how fucked US carriers are. | 16:55 |
| th1a | It is a Samsung. | 16:55 |
| th1a | I think the problem is more that the carriers don't want to support tethering. | 16:55 |
| th1a | Their networks can't handle the load. | 16:55 |
| yvl | actually, you don't need Dial Up Networking for sending sms | 16:55 |
| th1a | Oh? | 16:56 |
| yvl | if you got an USB connection or some other direct access to the phone | 16:56 |
| yvl | you use interal command interface that has some name I don't remember | 16:56 |
| yvl | basically, it's like telnet | 16:56 |
| th1a | I guess I should google. | 16:56 |
| aelkner | AT commands? | 16:56 |
| yvl | yes | 16:56 |
| yvl | but not all of them are AT | 16:56 |
| th1a | The problem is I'm sure I'll have to buy some crazy proprietary adapter. | 16:57 |
| yvl | Nokia, for one, has some proprietary commands | 16:57 |
| yvl | so, software like gammu wraps many of the commands to a higher level | 16:57 |
| th1a | On the other hand, the phone I got is almost exactly the same size and shape as the TonidoPlug, so they make a nice pair for demos. | 16:57 |
| yvl | :) | 16:58 |
| th1a | (it is, of course, thinner than the plug) | 16:58 |
| th1a | OK, I guess I should google for sms over usb tips. | 16:59 |
| th1a | Just for reference, I think the US is the only country where you can't tether your iPhone to your laptop. | 16:59 |
| th1a | aelkner: What else do you have to report? | 17:00 |
| aelkner | I will be submitting two branches this week | 17:02 |
| yvl | th1a, http://www.developershome.com/sms/smsIntro.asp ; chapters 13-26 were interesting for me; we probably want a library that wraps the AT and other direct commands | 17:02 |
| aelkner | one a branch of schooltool with importer fixes as well as changes to section scheduling | 17:03 |
| aelkner | to include a new flag in the timetable to effect the way lyceum journal brings up the periods | 17:03 |
| aelkner | to not make the teacher mark attendance on consecutive periods more than once | 17:04 |
| aelkner | so i will be submitting a branch of schooltool.lyceum.journal as well | 17:04 |
| aelkner | that will have to be merged to trunk at precisely the same time as my schooltool branch | 17:05 |
| th1a | aelkner: You'll have to send an email to menesis to that effect. | 17:05 |
| aelkner | i will | 17:06 |
| aelkner | after i've done that, i'll be able to turn my attention back to the sms issue | 17:07 |
| aelkner | if that's what you want me to do | 17:07 |
| th1a | So the issue for USB would be the driver. | 17:07 |
| th1a | You'd need to have the right driver to make the USB link work. | 17:07 |
| th1a | Then you should get a serial connection. | 17:08 |
| yvl | (also in case of gammu or similar software you should also configure it to use that connection; and probably the phone model) | 17:09 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:09 |
| yvl | by the way, it may be possible to use other types of connection than USB | 17:11 |
| yvl | I really haven't checked | 17:11 |
| th1a | This is promising: "you can also use this phone as a modem to get internet on your computer as long as you have it on your phone, ( internet that is , using the usb wire. make sure you have a data pack or you can use up 20 bucks on a web page or to. i used the driver from my sgh-a887 for this phone, you might be abel to find it on the web google it" | 17:12 |
| th1a | http://hubpages.com/hub/Samsung-SGH-a177-Cell-Phone-Review | 17:12 |
| th1a | That's the phone I have. | 17:12 |
| th1a | So... | 17:14 |
| th1a | Anyhow. | 17:14 |
| th1a | I think we're done here. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Have a good week everyone. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Hang in there replaceafill. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | th1a, i'll cc you on my note to menesis later this week so you are in the loop | 17:14 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:15 | |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:15 |
| th1a | Thanks aelkner. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | great week everyone | 17:15 |
| yvl | ok guys, see you next Monday | 17:15 |
| yvl | (I'll probably check mail during the week) | 17:16 |
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| th1a | Yes, it seems like USB driver hell is worse than bluetooth hell. | 17:26 |
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| yvl | th1a, I googled and chatted with friends a bit | 17:51 |
| th1a | USB driver hell seems worse than bluetooth hell. | 17:51 |
| yvl | you can probably use your phone's "Serial connection" service | 17:51 |
| yvl | (as opposed to "dial-up ...") | 17:51 |
| th1a | Over bluetooth? | 17:51 |
| yvl | if you manage to set up a /dev/rfccomm0 with that service | 17:51 |
| yvl | yes | 17:51 |
| yvl | that might be enough | 17:52 |
| th1a | It doesn't offer it. | 17:52 |
| yvl | can you list the services? | 17:52 |
| th1a | This phone is probably exactly the wrong phone for what we need. | 17:52 |
| th1a | It doen't offer it. | 17:52 |
| yvl | as in, titles of "sdptool browse" | 17:53 |
| th1a | The phone company probably specifically spec'ed the phone to not be tetherable. | 17:53 |
| th1a | Right, it doesn't list anything relevant to our needs. | 17:53 |
| th1a | Just headset, contacts. | 17:53 |
| th1a | The thing is this is a no-contract phone, so they like gimping them in various ways to encourage you into a contract. | 17:54 |
| th1a | I'm pretty sure that's what's going on here. | 17:54 |
| yvl | sigh | 17:54 |
| yvl | so, no services like COM1, dial-up, etc. | 17:55 |
| th1a | I can take it back. | 17:55 |
| th1a | I'm not sweating it. | 17:55 |
| yvl | yeah, it's my geeky interest in making things work, that's it :) | 17:56 |
| yvl | but it's really unusual (for me) that it does not do COM services | 17:56 |
| th1a | This is why I'm constantly complaining about US mobile phone providers. ;-) | 17:57 |
| th1a | You have no fucking idea. | 17:58 |
| yvl | I mean - there should be at least one service with "Serial Port" in Service Class ID List | 17:58 |
| yvl | yeah | 17:58 |
| th1a | That's what's so ironic about this. | 17:58 |
| yvl | probably difference between markets | 17:58 |
| th1a | To provide cheap network access in Nigeria, I have to wrestle with the most expensive and finicky method of doing so in the US. | 17:59 |
| yvl | :))) | 18:00 |
| yvl | hopefully guys at your phone store (or something) can give you a phone that gives serial access via Bluetooth | 18:00 |
| yvl | or at least USB | 18:00 |
| yvl | (again, your phone might do that over USB) | 18:01 |
| yvl | well, please keep me posted :) | 18:01 |
| th1a | I think USB will never work because there are no Linux drivers. | 18:02 |
| th1a | I just have to do the research myself. | 18:02 |
| th1a | The problem is there are so many kinds of phone. | 18:02 |
| yvl | oh, you might be surprised there | 18:02 |
| yvl | or not | 18:02 |
| th1a | Also, I don't *really* need this to work. | 18:02 |
| th1a | We just need aelkner's phone to work. | 18:02 |
| yvl | that is true | 18:03 |
| yvl | it is fun, though :) | 18:03 |
| th1a | It is more fun to learn how to do things that are hard because of their inherent properties rather than hard because the phone company hates you. | 18:03 |
| yvl | it does not hate you per se, it just likes your money ;) | 18:04 |
| yvl | well, good luck | 18:04 |
| yvl | I'll check emails just in case | 18:04 |
| * yvl goes too cook stuff | 18:05 | |
| th1a | Thanks! | 18:05 |
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| ryanpg_ | Hi, where can I try a schooltool demo? | 19:00 |
| th1a | ryanpg_, If you're running Ubuntu it is easy to install and try yourself. | 19:13 |
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| davidng | Alan did meeting hold today? | 19:34 |
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