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| th1a | Good morning aelkner, yvl, replaceafill, menesis. | 16:32 |
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| yvl | morning guys | 16:32 |
| th1a | (/afternoon) | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:32 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:32 |
| th1a | yvl: Would you like to start us off? | 16:33 |
| yvl | ok | 16:34 |
| yvl | well, timetables are in progress | 16:34 |
| yvl | don't have anything committed yet | 16:34 |
| yvl | and... that's pretty much it | 16:34 |
| yvl | I should finish by mid next week | 16:35 |
| yvl | or end of this week if all goes well | 16:35 |
| th1a | OK. Sounds good. | 16:35 |
| th1a | menesis: Any news? | 16:35 |
| menesis | not much | 16:36 |
| menesis | released cando last week | 16:36 |
| menesis | branched lp:schooltool/1.4 | 16:36 |
| th1a | I didn't think of it at the time, but perhaps that cando release should have gone into the development ppa. | 16:37 |
| th1a | Although... I don't remember what version of Ubuntu the CanDo people are using. | 16:37 |
| menesis | haven't switched the trunk to 1.6 yet, pondering maybe name it 'trunk' rather than 1.6, since some plugins are compatible with more than one series | 16:37 |
| menesis | CanDo people have been using Hardy, are planning to upgrade to Lucid soon (when it's ready) | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i they they're using 8.04 lts | 16:38 |
| menesis | I've sent a release announcement with a warning that it is not ready for production use | 16:38 |
| th1a | menesis: Yes, but you don't really see that if you just apt-get update. | 16:39 |
| th1a | However, they wouldn't have gotten it on 8.04 anyhow. | 16:39 |
| th1a | Right? | 16:39 |
| menesis | didn't investigate a different solution to jquery problem yet | 16:39 |
| menesis | th1a: 8.04 was not touched | 16:39 |
| th1a | It is just something we need to be conscious of going forward. | 16:40 |
| menesis | true | 16:41 |
| menesis | I hope they don't need any of the features on 8.04 | 16:41 |
| menesis | what else.. | 16:41 |
| th1a | th1a: When you've got some time I'd like to get aelkner and replaceafill able to push packages for their site-specific packages themselves. | 16:42 |
| menesis | updated the Zope in Maverick blueprint with some progress and more tasks.. | 16:42 |
| menesis | the Memebrship Board meeting that was sheduled for last Tuesday got postponed because too little people attended | 16:42 |
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| menesis | so my membership is postponed for 2 more weeks :( | 16:42 |
| th1a | ach... | 16:42 |
| menesis | no progress from dholbach or anyone else (including me) on Zope in Maverick front | 16:44 |
| menesis | I have taken two days off last week, so not much done | 16:45 |
| th1a | Is there anything you can do before you become get upload privileges? | 16:45 |
| menesis | I can upload to REVU. At least I have to update the ones that were not uploaded yet, to maverick. | 16:46 |
| th1a | So that's your top priority now? | 16:47 |
| menesis | for Ubuntu, yes | 16:48 |
| th1a | OK, we just need to keep pushing forward on this. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Have those packages ready to go. | 16:49 |
| * Lumiere waves and goes back to lurking | 16:50 | |
| menesis | yeah, was updating the status and todo today. | 16:50 |
| th1a | o/ Lumiere. | 16:51 |
| th1a | OK, thanks menesis. | 16:51 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | well, i finished the SCR pdfs for cando | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | for a single student and for a section | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | also, i removed deprecated competencies from some reports | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | and i created the schoolyear archive as a CSV file, which replaces the 11K pages pdf i was trying to build :( | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | i'm still waiting for dwelsh comments, but i think it's done | 16:53 |
| th1a | OK. Good. | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | on saturday, david ally from nigeria pinged me in my yahoo messenger | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | he was having trouble importing the sample data xls in cando | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | basically, he hit this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cando/+bug/420750 | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | the importer expects as many custom demographics fields as you have | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | and the sample spreadsheet has fewer fields | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | so you get the error | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | as usual, i taught him a hack i knew | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | and it worked for him | 16:55 |
| th1a | Do we have a bug report for that? | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cando/+bug/420750 | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | this week i'm going back to cambodia i think | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | starting, with grading as "the gradebook", right th1a? | 16:56 |
| th1a | Yes... I think that's the biggest risk because we don't understand the implementation completely. | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | i also have to move cambodia to use latest trunk | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | because of the levels | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | and i have 2 requests for yvl | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | 1. your security log was very helpful while i was working with cando :) | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | and hitting unauthorized excpetions | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | we should have it at least in devmode sometime :) | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | 2. can we add a 'queryXML' and 'printQueryXML' method to the Browser? | 16:59 |
| yvl | ok, I'll do that | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | i was testing rml | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | and the regular methods didnt work until i inserted my own helpers | 16:59 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, you could put your helpers in analyze.py and submit a branch | 17:00 |
| aelkner | save yvl the trouble | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | yeah, but i don't know if anybody else needs them | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | i haven't seen such use in code, so... | 17:01 |
| aelkner | i also changed analyze.py to strip out blank lines in printQuery() | 17:01 |
| aelkner | you should also strip out blank lines as a convenince to the developer | 17:02 |
| yvl | replaceafill - feel free to put queryXML to the browser | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | yvl, thanks :) | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | th1a, that's it i guess | 17:02 |
| yvl | oh, and I'll get to security logs after timetables | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | yay! | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK, so first step is syncing up with changes in trunk, then getting up to speed on their grading system? | 17:03 |
| aelkner | yvl: can i look at your timetable work as it is in progress? | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | it's better that putting pdbs :P | 17:03 |
| aelkner | i'm making changes to the importer, so i'd like to be prepared | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | th1a, yes | 17:03 |
| aelkner | have you pushed a branch yet? | 17:04 |
| yvl | no, not yet | 17:05 |
| aelkner | could you email me when you do? | 17:05 |
| yvl | ok | 17:05 |
| aelkner | thanks | 17:05 |
| yvl | some changes may get in your way, apologies in advance... | 17:06 |
| aelkner | no problem, but that's why i want to get a look as son as possible | 17:06 |
| yvl | sure | 17:07 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 17:09 |
| th1a | aelkner: I think we might want to follow up your Friday email to Lagos with a "five questions" version. | 17:09 |
| th1a | Or perhaps less... | 17:10 |
| th1a | What specific things do we need to know from them at this point? | 17:10 |
| th1a | 1) Who do they want to have logging in? | 17:10 |
| th1a | 2) What do they want those people to use as logins? | 17:10 |
| th1a | What else? | 17:10 |
| aelkner | what demographics they want to set up? | 17:11 |
| aelkner | the xls imprter needs to match the configured demographic fields from the Manage tab | 17:11 |
| th1a | They already had some different ones in the xls they sent you right? | 17:12 |
| aelkner | well, they included a Students and a Staff sheet that don't correspond to any importer sheet | 17:14 |
| aelkner | and there are a couple of fields like 'Years of experience' | 17:14 |
| aelkner | 'Qualifications' | 17:14 |
| aelkner | at least in the Staff sheet | 17:15 |
| th1a | Probably what we are going to do is allow you to hide demographic fields based on group membership. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | we don't have different demos for teachers verses students | 17:15 |
| th1a | Perhaps you could implement that. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | sure, i'm already making lots of changes to the importer | 17:16 |
| aelkner | but you mean changing demos, too? | 17:16 |
| th1a | It is a change to demographics. | 17:17 |
| aelkner | how would you envision all of that? | 17:17 |
| th1a | When you define the demographics field, you can specify to which (built in) groups it applies. | 17:17 |
| th1a | And then we need to filter out the irrelevant ones in the views. | 17:18 |
| aelkner | for the importer, that could be tricky because the Person sheet is processed | 17:18 |
| aelkner | separately from the Groups sheet | 17:18 |
| th1a | It isn't that they don't have those attributes, they are just hidden in the views. | 17:19 |
| th1a | (so they must also be optional) | 17:19 |
| aelkner | so the Persons sheet would still have all demo fields as columns | 17:19 |
| aelkner | but the values are optional? | 17:20 |
| th1a | They mostly are optional anyhow. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | and the person view would change | 17:20 |
| aelkner | yes, they are | 17:20 |
| aelkner | i'm just saying that all columns are required | 17:20 |
| th1a | It seems to me that other implementations would get hairy, since people can easily be moved in and out of those groups. | 17:21 |
| th1a | Well, actually, we may have a documentation bug here... | 17:21 |
| th1a | If you want to do custom demographics, what you really want to do is set up the demographics in the web interface, EXPORT your (mostly empty) xls, then use that as your template | 17:22 |
| th1a | I kind of forgot about that. | 17:22 |
| aelkner | so is that part of what we want to explain to Lagos? | 17:23 |
| th1a | Probably we should. | 17:23 |
| aelkner | shall i go on? | 17:25 |
| th1a | Please. | 17:25 |
| aelkner | so i looked into Jen's issue about teacher's calendars | 17:25 |
| aelkner | it turns out that only the instructor/section relationship event causes the instructor calendar to be updated | 17:26 |
| aelkner | so if you are in a section and hit the Schedule link | 17:26 |
| aelkner | any changes you make there are not reflected in the instructor's calendar | 17:27 |
| aelkner | that is a bug, and my FET importer has the same short-coming | 17:27 |
| aelkner | i can fix the section shedule bug in my importer branch | 17:27 |
| aelkner | and fix the corresponding FET bug in my zambia branch | 17:28 |
| aelkner | so i can send Jen a note letting her know that i will be fixing that | 17:29 |
| th1a | And file a bug. | 17:29 |
| th1a | Does it work correctly if you're using the web UI? | 17:29 |
| aelkner | web UI? do you mean the Schedule link i just mentioned? | 17:31 |
| th1a | Yes... is that also a bug? | 17:31 |
| aelkner | as i said there are two bugs, the section scheduler and the FET impporter | 17:32 |
| aelkner | i just submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/594161 | 17:33 |
| th1a | I guess I was just confused because you said you were fixing the bug in your importer branch. | 17:34 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 17:34 |
| aelkner | no prob | 17:34 |
| th1a | We should talk more about Lagos-related issues on the phone. | 17:34 |
| aelkner | just using the one branch because it's ore convenient | 17:34 |
| aelkner | sure | 17:34 |
| th1a | Any other issues the group might be interested in? | 17:34 |
| th1a | They Flyers' loss? | 17:35 |
| th1a | The Phillies falling apart? | 17:35 |
| th1a | The Celtics lead in the NBA finals? | 17:35 |
| aelkner | trying to forget all of that? | 17:35 |
| aelkner | happy for you, though | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | go Celtics! | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:35 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, i thoug you liked the LAkers | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | it's a shame they're going to lose 4-3 | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:36 |
| th1a | Not unless Bynum gets a knee replacement today. | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 17:36 |
| aelkner | one more thing | 17:36 |
| aelkner | i know we are not ready to talk replaceafill and myself pushing packages | 17:37 |
| aelkner | but can i throw out this one idea? | 17:37 |
| aelkner | i'd like to think that replaceafill and i will eventually be able to create packages | 17:38 |
| aelkner | that will go in custom sources | 17:38 |
| aelkner | so that i could get an update to the schooltool importer, for example | 17:39 |
| aelkner | to a grant user before it has been reviewed and merged into trunk | 17:39 |
| aelkner | will that be possible? | 17:39 |
| th1a | For changes to core I'd rather just expedite getting things into trunk and the development repo. | 17:40 |
| menesis | it is possible to package any branch, but I'd rather not | 17:41 |
| aelkner | these submitted branches tend to back up because yvl and menesis have other responsibilities | 17:41 |
| th1a | Well, we can make it a higher priority. | 17:41 |
| aelkner | well, that's all i have for now | 17:43 |
| th1a | OK. Thanks gentlemen. | 17:43 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:43 | |
| th1a | Have a great week! | 17:43 |
| aelkner | you, too, shall i call now? | 17:44 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:44 |
| th1a | Let's talk at 11:00. | 17:45 |
| th1a | You can call me. | 17:45 |
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