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| th1a | hi replaceafill, yvl, menesis, aelkner. | 16:30 |
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| yvl | good morning! :) | 16:30 |
| th1a | replaceafill and aelkner: I need your May invoices. | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 16:31 |
| th1a | replaceafill: How was your week? | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | i finish the Student Competency Record archive that David wanted | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | finished | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | Glenda Lewis made an observation that the original SCR and the new archive are showing "deprecated" competencies | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | and he wants me to fix that | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | it's a quick fix | 16:34 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | also, i found the jquery bug that i reported | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | cando doesnt display correctly with schooltool 1.4 | 16:34 |
| aelkner | oops, morning | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | yvl, i see levels were merged | 16:35 |
| th1a | The correct fix here is to check to see if SchoolTool works with the newer jquery? | 16:35 |
| th1a | Where do we get jquery? | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | yvl, time to move cambodia to use them, correct? | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | yes, that's the correct fix | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | to check the plugins and see that everything works | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | we register the jquery library as a "file resource" | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | and finally, i worked a little more in El Calvairo's gradebook | 16:37 |
| th1a | It isn't a separate .deb? | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | th1a, im starting to think that report sheets may not be the right solution | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | no, it's just a .js file | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | it's part of our package, like the zonki image for example | 16:38 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Why not report sheets? | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | i'm in the middle of allow report sheets to be used with summary sheets | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | but now i need weighting :( | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | report sheets don't work with category weighting either | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, correct? | 16:39 |
| aelkner | i suppose not | 16:40 |
| th1a | You need weighting within the report sheets? | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | i need weighting for El Calvario's gradebook | 16:41 |
| th1a | Is adding that a problem? | 16:42 |
| th1a | You really want to use report sheets. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | no, i mean, it just feel like i'm tweaking report sheets too much | 16:42 |
| th1a | We just need to add back in what you need. | 16:42 |
| th1a | No, you're not. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | i'm going to add that too then :) | 16:42 |
| th1a | I wouldn't think it would be hard since you can do it in regular worksheets. | 16:43 |
| th1a | You might need to do some evolving. | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | i'll look into that | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | that's what i'm going to do next | 16:44 |
| aelkner | it's not an evolution issue, just a calculation | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i guess that's it from me | 16:45 |
| th1a | So you have a few things to keep you busy. | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:46 |
| th1a | And we need to get communication going with Cambodia, and if that is slow, I need to take a look at other things we know they'll need. | 16:46 |
| th1a | So you'll know what to do next. | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | ah i tried to help Peter last night | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | with his apache problem :) | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | i just recommended a "hack" and he said he will try it | 16:48 |
| th1a | I saw. Thanks. | 16:49 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:49 |
| th1a | aelkner? | 16:49 |
| aelkner | i had a bad cold last week, so all i got to do was some work on the xls importer | 16:50 |
| aelkner | i'm addng lots of error handling and tests to it | 16:50 |
| th1a | Did you read Jen's latest email today? | 16:51 |
| aelkner | not yet, she just sent it | 16:52 |
| aelkner | i did help her out with an issue in google chat this weekend | 16:52 |
| th1a | OK, well, respond to that first. | 16:53 |
| aelkner | will do | 16:53 |
| th1a | If we don't hear from Lagos this week, do you have something else to do? | 16:54 |
| aelkner | i was going to ask about when it is that we can start building our own packages | 16:54 |
| th1a | menesis? | 16:55 |
| menesis | I | 16:55 |
| menesis | have been working on CanDo last week | 16:55 |
| menesis | looking over dependencies and if they need updating, updated them | 16:56 |
| menesis | started packaging debs for lucid, halway done | 16:56 |
| menesis | merged replaceafill's and aelkner's changes for lucid | 16:56 |
| menesis | updated imports for the new libraries | 16:57 |
| menesis | spent some time investigating jQuery issue | 16:57 |
| menesis | no conclusion what to do, though | 16:57 |
| menesis | but I don't like how replaceafill solved the conflict by adding jquery14.js in addition to jquery.js that is 1.1.3 -- that should be updated instead | 16:58 |
| yvl | I'm inclined to update ST's jQuery to 1.4... when time permits | 16:58 |
| th1a | What do you think about teaching aelkner and replaceafill to build their own packages for their site-specific components? | 16:59 |
| menesis | there are libraries that deal with jquery and jstree, for example collective.jstree | 16:59 |
| th1a | yvl: Yes. | 16:59 |
| menesis | but some of them are outdated as well | 16:59 |
| menesis | I hope to finish packaging cando debs for testing today | 17:00 |
| th1a | menesis: Thanks. | 17:01 |
| th1a | aelkner: I think the answer to your question is "menesis is pretty busy right now." | 17:01 |
| yvl | that reminds me... | 17:02 |
| yvl | I saw bzr builder recipes showing up on LP some time ago | 17:02 |
| yvl | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DailyBuilds/BzrBuilder | 17:02 |
| menesis | it is not hard to create a custom server package | 17:02 |
| yvl | it would be awesome if building your own debs would be done through those... | 17:03 |
| yvl | no idea how much effort it would cost us | 17:03 |
| menesis | apt-get source schooltool-2009 | 17:03 |
| * th1a is confused. | 17:03 | |
| th1a | bzr builder packages? | 17:03 |
| menesis | and rename schooltool-2009 to schooltool-cambodia, change schooltool.stapp2008fall to schooltool.cambodia, change default port, and debuild | 17:04 |
| yvl | umm, I'll let menesis finish what he's saying first :) | 17:04 |
| menesis | daily builds.. | 17:04 |
| menesis | don't think that is useful to us | 17:05 |
| yvl | well I'd like to discuss that later this week | 17:05 |
| yvl | off-line probably | 17:06 |
| yvl | it's just an idea anyway | 17:06 |
| th1a | For the pilot sites, daily builds might not be a bad idea. | 17:06 |
| menesis | cando packages are late not because it is much work to package it | 17:06 |
| menesis | but because there are issues with cando | 17:07 |
| yvl | true | 17:07 |
| th1a | I'm sure aelkner and menesis would be happier if they could just push changes without additional work. | 17:07 |
| th1a | menesis & replaceafill: Are you guys communicating about the CanDo issues? | 17:08 |
| yvl | it just... would be awesome if people could just push changes to a branch, and a shiny new .deb would be ready next day by magic | 17:08 |
| menesis | I have not reported any bugs | 17:08 |
| menesis | but will | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | i asked menesis for them :) | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | maybe i can help | 17:08 |
| menesis | because cando crashes often for me | 17:08 |
| menesis | or, for example, I don't understand what to enter in the gradebook. any number or A is "invalid value" | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | i guess it depends on the score system | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | but i'm not sure, will check, sometimes dwelsh asks to hardcode things | 17:11 |
| th1a | There is probably a lot we could do to CanDo to make it friendlier to non-Virginians. | 17:12 |
| menesis | cando adds "CanDo Score System" to Manage view | 17:12 |
| th1a | We just haven't gotten to that. | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | th1a, definitely | 17:12 |
| menesis | that is a different view for "Universal score system" and it is empty by default | 17:12 |
| menesis | so... | 17:13 |
| th1a | We'll probably end up working on these issues for NIEPA and El Salvador. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | th1a, not to mention i18n ;) | 17:14 |
| menesis | I will release whatever is in cando trunk | 17:14 |
| menesis | so that someone more familiar with CanDo can test it | 17:14 |
| th1a | menesis: Sounds like a plan. | 17:14 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Try to have CanDo completely off your plate by the end of the week. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:17 |
| aelkner | th1a, i sent a reply to Jen | 17:17 |
| th1a | Hopefully it will take less time than that, but I don't want it dragging out. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | no, last thing is simple i think | 17:17 |
| th1a | replaceafill: The biggest risk factor now is not getting focused on Cambodia quickly enough. | 17:17 |
| th1a | And not getting communication going with them quickly enough. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | yes, my bad, my laptop broke and i guess that messed my head | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | but i replied Piseth | 17:18 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | or pinged | 17:18 |
| th1a | I'll follow up on Wednesday or so if we haven't heard back. | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:19 |
| th1a | aelkner: So basically, if we don't hear from Lagos quickly, we should move on to next steps for Mpelembe. | 17:21 |
| th1a | Squeaky wheel gets the grease. | 17:21 |
| aelkner | sure | 17:21 |
| th1a | OK? | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | :| | 17:22 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:22 |
| th1a | Feeling refreshed, yvl? | 17:22 |
| yvl | yes, thanks :) | 17:23 |
| yvl | ok... | 17:24 |
| yvl | well, levels and versioned catalogs are in trunk now | 17:24 |
| yvl | no point of postponing that anymore, I guess | 17:24 |
| yvl | developers may notice that I started splitting configure.zcml files | 17:24 |
| yvl | like course/configure.zcml | 17:24 |
| yvl | to course.zcml, security.zcml, etc. | 17:24 |
| yvl | should make it easier to override or not include things when developing apps like the one for Cambodia | 17:25 |
| yvl | eventually zcml files should be along the lines: | 17:25 |
| yvl | things to describe access rights, things to describe data model, things to enforce data consistency, things to register views | 17:26 |
| yvl | and so on | 17:26 |
| yvl | this week is reserved for timetables | 17:27 |
| yvl | I'd like to have prototype on Fri, done with them by Fri next week | 17:27 |
| th1a | Sounds good. | 17:27 |
| yvl | at least the refactoring + main new features | 17:27 |
| yvl | like timetables applied for a part of term and so on and so forth | 17:28 |
| yvl | and I guess that's my report :) | 17:29 |
| th1a | All right. | 17:29 |
| th1a | I guess we might as well wrap up exactly on time. | 17:29 |
| th1a | Have a great week, gentlemen. | 17:29 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:30 | |
| yvl | happy hacking! | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 17:30 |
| yvl | and, aelkner and replaceafill - yes, you can start using levels now | 17:30 |
| yvl | if you need some additional functionality (and you probably will) | 17:30 |
| yvl | drop an email | 17:30 |
| yvl | thanks! :) | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | thanks yvl | 17:30 |
| aelkner | cool | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | menesis, grade validation comes from the scoresystem, checked :) | 17:32 |
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| th1a | aelkner: I just sent you a question re:Jen's mail. | 17:33 |
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| th1a | ignas? | 19:15 |
| ignas | yes | 19:15 |
| th1a | Can you explain this? http://oeg-home.ru/blog/2010/06/eve-hunters-at-rest/ | 19:16 |
| ignas | kind of | 19:18 |
| ignas | the context rules said "works of art" | 19:18 |
| ignas | so the guy took a famous painting by a Russian artist | 19:18 |
| ignas | and made a reproduction of it in Eve Online style | 19:18 |
| th1a | Contest? | 19:19 |
| ignas | http://artclassic.edu.ru/attach.asp?a_no=10534 | 19:19 |
| ignas | http://eve-ru.com/ had an Eve art contest | 19:19 |
| ignas | "Why do I love eve online" | 19:19 |
| ignas | http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=42539 | 19:20 |
| ignas | in the "update" part of the first post there are links | 19:21 |
| ignas | to the works of art ;) | 19:21 |
| ignas | Video, art and stories | 19:21 |
| th1a | I see... thanks! | 19:22 |
| th1a | I can't say I've had much energy to play lately. | 19:22 |
| th1a | Filip, on the other hand, has been tearing it up. | 19:23 |
| ignas | same here tbh | 19:23 |
| ignas | i have switched to wow mostly | 19:23 |
| ignas | suits way better to my | 19:23 |
| ignas | 40 minutes online 15 afk style... | 19:24 |
| th1a | Yeah, I know the feeling. | 19:24 |
| ignas | eve is just too ad-hoc, I mean no one knows when the "game" will begin, and when you are on the hunt - no one knows when it will end | 19:25 |
| th1a | I've dealt with that by focusing more on trade and production. | 19:40 |
| th1a | But my business was completely screwed up by moving to Providence. | 19:41 |
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| replaceafill | !!!! 203905957 of rml template :( | 20:05 |
| replaceafill | 9 mins to generate only the rml :( | 20:06 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I had a report like that once. | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | i havent been able to get the damn pdf out of it! | 20:14 |
| th1a | Then I realized that my loop re-generated the entire report for each student. | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | i guess i have to learn how to profile these things | 20:15 |
| th1a | Where is it getting stuck? | 20:15 |
| replaceafill | there are almost 5000 enrollments from where i had to extract the grades | 20:16 |
| replaceafill | the rml generation is fast compared with producing the pdf with rml2pdf | 20:16 |
| replaceafill | there's a Document class that has a process method which is the bottleneck | 20:16 |
| th1a | It never finishes? | 20:18 |
| replaceafill | no | 20:18 |
| replaceafill | at some point it fills my ram and my laptop starts to swap | 20:18 |
| replaceafill | single students and sections are fast, but the entire system is awful | 20:19 |
| th1a | In this case, you could break it up. | 20:20 |
| th1a | They need to reasonably archive this stuff, but I don't see why it would literally have to be one file. | 20:20 |
| th1a | Is this alphabetically by student? | 20:21 |
| replaceafill | glenda was thinking of giving options to sort, but david says he's ok only with sorting by course and section titles | 20:21 |
| replaceafill | david wants all the students in one section grouped together | 20:21 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking that maybe a zipped file could be useful, but i dont know | 20:22 |
| replaceafill | loop through every section, then call the single section view, get the pdf and put it in | 20:22 |
| th1a | Debugging this would involve optimizing the underlying library, right, not our code? | 20:23 |
| replaceafill | i think so | 20:23 |
| replaceafill | again, rml generation is relatively fast | 20:23 |
| replaceafill | z3c.rml.rml2pdf is the bottle neck so far | 20:24 |
| replaceafill | or maybe i'm using it wrong :P | 20:24 |
| th1a | Probably you should just group them sanely then rather than trying to fix it. | 20:25 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, did you see my mail asking you to be added to the 'schooltool-owners' group? | 21:44 |
| th1a | Oh... did I forget? | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | ;) | 21:45 |
| th1a | Done. | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | thanks :) | 21:45 |
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