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replaceafill | yvl, ping | 12:19 |
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yvl | pong, replaceafill | 12:21 |
replaceafill | yvl, i'd like to hear your comments on my last email to schooltool-developers@lists.launchpad.net | 12:21 |
replaceafill | :) | 12:21 |
yvl | got the email few minutes ago | 12:21 |
yvl | will definitely comment ;) | 12:22 |
replaceafill | but i can wait until the meeting ;) | 12:22 |
replaceafill | thanks | 12:22 |
yvl | (I actually wanted to write an email to you after I saw Friday's IRC log, but still haven't gotten to that...) | 12:22 |
replaceafill | :O | 12:23 |
replaceafill | am i way off? | 12:23 |
yvl | no no no | 12:23 |
yvl | I can't remember right away... | 12:24 |
yvl | it was about using annotations instead of relationships I think | 12:24 |
replaceafill | ah | 12:24 |
yvl | not a requirement, just seems to be a little bit easier | 12:25 |
yvl | I'm still undecided on how ST should suggest extending objects | 12:26 |
yvl | there are clearly several scenarios, and I'd like to have some kind of API | 12:26 |
yvl | maybe | 12:26 |
replaceafill | ah | 12:26 |
replaceafill | a unique way to do things | 12:26 |
yvl | or better - documentation :) | 12:26 |
replaceafill | :D | 12:27 |
replaceafill | speaking of documentation!!!! | 12:27 |
yvl | yes? | 12:27 |
replaceafill | does the rml stuff have tests somewhere? | 12:27 |
replaceafill | i was looking for it yesterday and couldn't find it | 12:27 |
yvl | I'm pretty sure it... does not | 12:27 |
replaceafill | :D | 12:27 |
replaceafill | i made it work though! | 12:28 |
replaceafill | your backport | 12:28 |
replaceafill | it works | 12:28 |
yvl | cool! | 12:28 |
yvl | and other CanDo reports did not break? | 12:28 |
replaceafill | i don't know if i did it in the right way, but it worked! | 12:28 |
replaceafill | no | 12:28 |
yvl | great! | 12:28 |
replaceafill | you mean pdf reports? | 12:28 |
yvl | yeah | 12:28 |
replaceafill | i guess cando doesnt have any | 12:28 |
yvl | :D | 12:29 |
yvl | you meant - any other than the ones Filip worked on? | 12:29 |
replaceafill | yes | 12:29 |
replaceafill | filip's was the first one i guess | 12:29 |
replaceafill | i used one template for the pdf view | 12:30 |
replaceafill | and defined a reportpagetemplate for the first page | 12:30 |
replaceafill | with its own stylesheet | 12:31 |
replaceafill | register the reportpagetemplate as a named adapter | 12:31 |
yvl | yes, that's the way it's intended | 12:31 |
replaceafill | see! | 12:31 |
replaceafill | without docs! :P | 12:31 |
yvl | awesome :) | 12:31 |
replaceafill | it's good code ;) | 12:31 |
replaceafill | good code it's easy to understand | 12:32 |
replaceafill | you know what i didnt understand | 12:32 |
yvl | this means that either: a) you're a good developer; b) the code was good enough; c) all of the above ;) | 12:32 |
replaceafill | was that if you define an inline template | 12:32 |
replaceafill | for the stylesheet of the reportpagetemplate | 12:32 |
replaceafill | inlinetemplate(""""<style1 /> <style2 />"""") | 12:33 |
replaceafill | it doesnt work | 12:33 |
replaceafill | and it didnt work either if i took the two styles to it's own pt file | 12:33 |
replaceafill | because i was missing a parent element for all the styles | 12:34 |
replaceafill | i put a <metal:block xmlns:metal="..."> </metal:block> and then the xml parser was happy | 12:34 |
yvl | ah! | 12:34 |
replaceafill | anyway, it was fun learning that stuff | 12:35 |
replaceafill | i felt like i was behind in the pdf generation story ;) | 12:35 |
yvl | it may be... see schooltool/app/browser/report.py | 12:35 |
yvl | content_type="text/xml") | 12:35 |
yvl | this one | 12:35 |
replaceafill | yes, that's what i used as an example | 12:36 |
replaceafill | but if i had several <parastyles...> it broke | 12:36 |
replaceafill | i guess you need a parent element or something, right? | 12:37 |
replaceafill | i mean for valid xml | 12:37 |
yvl | ah, yes | 12:37 |
yvl | yes, there has to be only one parent element | 12:37 |
replaceafill | last question | 12:37 |
yvl | go ahead :) | 12:38 |
replaceafill | suppose i want to have the first two pages using the same reportpagetemplate | 12:38 |
replaceafill | i used: | 12:39 |
replaceafill | <metal:block fill-slot="page_templates"> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | <tal:block content="structure view/use_template/front_page" /> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | <tal:block content="structure view/use_template/default" /> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | </metal:block> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | to specify i needed both kind of pages | 12:39 |
replaceafill | right? | 12:39 |
replaceafill | then in the story | 12:39 |
replaceafill | <story metal:fill-slot="story" | 12:39 |
replaceafill | firstPageTemplate="front_page"> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | <setNextTemplate name="default" /> | 12:39 |
replaceafill | is there a secondPageTemplate attribute? | 12:39 |
replaceafill | and a third one and so on... | 12:40 |
replaceafill | i guess i need to read some rml docs first ;) | 12:40 |
yvl | first of all, legal disclaimer: I have a terrible memory :) | 12:41 |
replaceafill | :D | 12:41 |
replaceafill | "judge, i don't remember me killing him!" | 12:42 |
replaceafill | ;) | 12:42 |
yvl | exactly ;) | 12:42 |
replaceafill | don't worry, i'll look it up later | 12:42 |
yvl | [rummaging through code...] | 12:42 |
replaceafill | i'll go get some rest before the meeting | 12:43 |
replaceafill | 4:43 here :) | 12:43 |
replaceafill | see you later yvl | 12:43 |
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th1a | hi yvl, menesis, replaceafill, aelkner, Lumiere, ignas. | 16:31 |
jelkner | th1a, good morning to you, too, mr hoffman | 16:32 |
replaceafill | good morning | 16:32 |
aelkner | morning | 16:33 |
th1a | yvl, how are you feeling? | 16:34 |
th1a | ... | 16:36 |
yvl | hi guys | 16:37 |
yvl | sorry, coffee making stuff :| | 16:37 |
yvl | I'm fine now, th1a | 16:37 |
th1a | Here's where you guys are staying: http://www.dolcevillari.com/dolce.htm | 16:37 |
menesis | hi. | 16:37 |
yvl | thanks, th1a, I needed the address to fill in the travel form | 16:38 |
th1a | You need a letter from me too, right? | 16:39 |
yvl | I'm not sure it is mandatory, but I'd feel beter if I had it with me... | 16:39 |
yvl | (also, I think your contact information is needed somewhere) | 16:40 |
th1a | 401-785-3648 | 16:40 |
th1a | 125 Adelaide Ave. | 16:40 |
th1a | Providence RI, 02907 | 16:40 |
yvl | thanks! | 16:41 |
th1a | So... what does the sprint agenda look like? ;-) | 16:41 |
yvl | messy | 16:41 |
yvl | I've got most of it written down, but not entirely in human readable format | 16:42 |
yvl | apologies for not putting it down in shared docs, I hope to explain why when we meet | 16:42 |
th1a | Can you give us the tl:dr? | 16:42 |
yvl | (waving hands helps me explain things) | 16:43 |
yvl | tl:dr? | 16:43 |
th1a | Too long; didn't read. | 16:43 |
aelkner | yeah, what's that? | 16:43 |
th1a | Something I learned on the Ushra'Khan forums. | 16:43 |
yvl | ah :) | 16:43 |
yvl | ok, so some of the stuff to work on: | 16:43 |
yvl | 1) ST dev book | 16:44 |
yvl | discussions of format and content | 16:44 |
yvl | etc | 16:44 |
yvl | explanation of how I see it in more detail @ sprint | 16:44 |
yvl | pre-sprint: rudimentary mechanism for building it if I have enough time. | 16:45 |
yvl | 2) schooltool.tasks module (wrapper around lovely.remotetask) | 16:45 |
yvl | I have three scenarios (quite in detail) I'd like to see implemented | 16:45 |
yvl | API of schooltool.tasks would differ from lovely.remotetask and hopefully be more suited to our needs | 16:46 |
yvl | it's something I had to lay down for replaceafill as guidance, but never got to do | 16:46 |
yvl | 3) schooltool.mail: use the separate thread for mail processing | 16:47 |
yvl | depends on 2) | 16:47 |
yvl | 4) filling in more security descriptions/additional testing | 16:48 |
yvl | pre-sprint: log or similar showing what crowds got checked, other debug info | 16:48 |
th1a | Perhaps we can get Douglas and Alan to do CanDo descriptions. | 16:48 |
yvl | if time permits, pre-sprint / on-sprint: show basic descriptions on log-in screen | 16:49 |
yvl | th1a, good idea! | 16:49 |
yvl | 5) functional tests | 16:49 |
yvl | mechanism for running another test as a set-up | 16:50 |
yvl | so it could be shared between tests | 16:50 |
yvl | @ sprint: try to extract some basic setup for as many ST func. tests as possible | 16:51 |
yvl | if that is done, we can work on optimizations of tests, some time after sprint, storing/restoring databases that share basic setup | 16:51 |
yvl | then, there's some chatting: | 16:52 |
yvl | navbar overhaul | 16:52 |
yvl | module dependencies | 16:52 |
yvl | plugins, plugin integration | 16:53 |
yvl | basically, I'd like to align our dev. direction for 4-7 upcoming months | 16:53 |
th1a | Sure. | 16:54 |
yvl | as there are some bigger things that would be useful or not, depending on what we want to see in the "far" future | 16:54 |
th1a | Yes, we need to have some of those conversations. | 16:55 |
yvl | a "day" of such discussions may save several weeks of paid blundering | 16:56 |
yvl | or months :) | 16:56 |
th1a | Certainly. | 16:56 |
th1a | I regret not doing that last year. | 16:56 |
* yvl too | 16:56 | |
th1a | Next time we have transition in lead developers, I won't have a baby at the same time. | 16:57 |
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yvl | :))))) | 16:57 |
yvl | so, I think this (and some other stuff I'll write down later) will be definitely enough to keep us busy for a week | 16:57 |
th1a | Keeping the scope limited is more of a problem than running out of things to do. | 16:58 |
th1a | One good thing is that I think we're now to the point where everyone won't have to spend the first day trying to get a working sandbox. | 16:58 |
th1a | *cough* | 16:59 |
yvl | :))) | 16:59 |
replaceafill | :D | 16:59 |
th1a | So make sure you all have the same sandbox... | 16:59 |
th1a | Or whatever... | 16:59 |
yvl | well, the set up from scratch nowadays is quite robust, so :) | 16:59 |
th1a | OK. | 17:00 |
th1a | Be ready to eat. | 17:00 |
th1a | The neighborhood where you're staying is full of excellent restaurants. | 17:01 |
yvl | good food and no half-portion meals... | 17:01 |
th1a | Especially if you're coming from a country with a favorable exchange rate. | 17:01 |
th1a | aelkner, replaceafill: Any questions, comments about the rough agenda? | 17:02 |
replaceafill | yvl, in order to make cando using descriptions, we would need it using 1.2, right? | 17:02 |
replaceafill | or backport descriptions to 1.0 | 17:02 |
yvl | right | 17:03 |
yvl | 1.2 | 17:03 |
yvl | stupid me | 17:03 |
replaceafill | well, thanks to jelkner's instance we discovered there's just a few imports to change | 17:03 |
replaceafill | zope.app.keyreference iirc | 17:03 |
replaceafill | th1a, i should make sure of cando using 1.2 before the sprint, right? | 17:04 |
th1a | Yes... we'll need Karmic packages for CanDo. | 17:04 |
yvl | jelkner pushing the boundaries again! congrats! :) | 17:04 |
th1a | Please! | 17:04 |
yvl | allright then | 17:04 |
yvl | + pre-sprint/on-sprint: port CanDo to ST 1.2 | 17:04 |
th1a | Actually, I got a request for that from Nigeria (?) yesterday. | 17:04 |
replaceafill | :| | 17:05 |
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yvl | why the long face, replaceafill? | 17:05 |
replaceafill | no, i mean, nigeria is interested in cando :) | 17:06 |
replaceafill | impressive | 17:06 |
yvl | aah :) | 17:06 |
th1a | Well, someone in Nigeria -- not the country of Nigeria itself. | 17:06 |
replaceafill | ah | 17:06 |
th1a | Also, I might be thinking of the wrong country in Africa... | 17:06 |
th1a | Starts with an N... | 17:07 |
th1a | Namibia? | 17:07 |
th1a | It is Nigeria. | 17:08 |
th1a | Anyhow. | 17:08 |
th1a | aelkner: I see you're cleaning up the bugs we reported when you were here. | 17:08 |
aelkner | did you look at the screenshots i sent you? | 17:08 |
aelkner | i guess you're looking now :) | 17:09 |
aelkner | anyway, i took your want of better html/css to heart | 17:10 |
th1a | Actually, I was spinning in my chair, looking at the ceiling. | 17:10 |
aelkner | i see, not interested | 17:10 |
th1a | I'm interested! | 17:10 |
aelkner | next time i'll hit a triple and see if i get a rise out of you :) | 17:11 |
th1a | We don't need to go into the details of your CSS now. | 17:11 |
aelkner | no, i don't think so | 17:11 |
aelkner | only thing | 17:11 |
aelkner | yvl: i added a couple of macros to my school january fixes branch | 17:11 |
th1a | Overall, definite improvement. | 17:11 |
aelkner | widget_row was not good for all cases | 17:11 |
aelkner | so i added widget_spit_row and widget_fieldset_row | 17:12 |
yvl | ok, I'll look into them | 17:12 |
aelkner | i needed them for schooltool.intervention improvements | 17:12 |
th1a | One thing you should try is on the goal edit form put the goal radio button and date widget in the same row to save vertical space. | 17:12 |
aelkner | th1a: the reason for the order is that the last row has things that come after the timeline come due | 17:13 |
th1a | Hm... | 17:13 |
aelkner | the teacher gets that auto email | 17:13 |
aelkner | goes in ad changes goal met and follow-up notes | 17:13 |
aelkner | until then those stay pretty much blank and are not required felds | 17:14 |
th1a | Well, I'll try to come up with something else then. | 17:14 |
aelkner | we can discuss this at the sprint if you'd like | 17:14 |
th1a | Sure. | 17:14 |
th1a | We're in the ballpark now, at least. | 17:14 |
aelkner | i added an action button 'Download pdf' for the gradebook | 17:14 |
aelkner | t causes the row of action buttons to get too long | 17:15 |
aelkner | but i think yvl mentioned overhauling that at the sprint | 17:15 |
aelkner | so that will be good | 17:15 |
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th1a | It doesn't sound like we'll actually get to that. | 17:16 |
aelkner | yvl: ? | 17:16 |
th1a | But hopefully we can plan the changes. | 17:16 |
yvl | th1a is right | 17:16 |
th1a | That would probably take half the sprint if we implemented it there. | 17:16 |
yvl | I've got an idea what to do with them, but I need opinions | 17:16 |
aelkner | i hope it gets done before the next release | 17:16 |
yvl | and to wave hands | 17:17 |
aelkner | i'm lloking forward to seeing those wavy hands | 17:17 |
th1a | There are certainly some simple fixes which would help. | 17:17 |
th1a | yvl: When am I picking you up? | 17:18 |
th1a | aelkner: We didn't actually book a flight for you yet did we? | 17:19 |
th1a | Can you use your voucher on that? | 17:19 |
aelkner | i guess so | 17:19 |
yvl | th1a, I thought I sent you an email? | 17:19 |
th1a | OK, do that. | 17:19 |
yvl | Sunday, 14 Feb, 1830 | 17:20 |
aelkner | what dates do i book? | 17:20 |
th1a | yvl: Thanks. | 17:20 |
aelkner | feb 14 afternoon - feb 19 evenfing? | 17:20 |
th1a | Say 20th. | 17:20 |
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aelkner | so we have the room until then | 17:21 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:21 |
aelkner | ok, i'll book feb 14-20 | 17:21 |
th1a | OK... PACKAGING! | 17:21 |
th1a | menesis: Any news? | 17:21 |
th1a | Where are we stuck? | 17:22 |
th1a | Same place? | 17:22 |
th1a | ... | 17:25 |
yvl | [menesis is working @ home today, can't kick his chair...] | 17:25 |
th1a | Sure. | 17:25 |
th1a | He's probably spinning in his chair, looking at the ceiling. | 17:25 |
th1a | I can relate. | 17:25 |
yvl | well put :) | 17:25 |
th1a | aelkner: I trust you have enough to keep you busy this week? | 17:26 |
aelkner | yep | 17:26 |
aelkner | a large enough project would be the catalog for interventions data | 17:27 |
aelkner | and then building the dashboard using it | 17:27 |
yvl | aelkner, that's one of the possible things for the sprint in my notes | 17:28 |
aelkner | ok | 17:28 |
aelkner | i could build the dashboard without using thecatalog | 17:28 |
aelkner | adding the catalog to the dashboard will be a small job | 17:29 |
th1a | That's probably the right sequence. | 17:29 |
aelkner | agreed | 17:29 |
yvl | check if the table formatter makes any sense for you | 17:29 |
aelkner | i'm not a big fan of that class, you know | 17:29 |
aelkner | but we can get into that at the sprint | 17:30 |
yvl | ok | 17:31 |
yvl | it's just if that class *was* useful (as I don't know if that is true for dashboard) | 17:32 |
yvl | it would be trivial to replace it with catalogged version | 17:32 |
aelkner | oh, i see | 17:33 |
aelkner | i'll look at the table formatter again | 17:33 |
yvl | (but again, I don't know if it is more helpful or harmful for the dashboard) | 17:33 |
yvl | it might just overcomplicate things | 17:34 |
aelkner | does the catalogued one already exist, or is t theoretical? | 17:34 |
yvl | when the table formatter is given a container, the container can be replaced with catalogged version | 17:34 |
yvl | it's done for contacts, as far as I remember | 17:34 |
aelkner | ok, intervention data is much more complex | 17:35 |
aelkner | not just one container, several | 17:35 |
aelkner | so i'll probably not use it | 17:35 |
aelkner | but i'll look at it so that i can be an educated objector at the sprint :) | 17:35 |
yvl | well, anyway, we can check it at the sprint | 17:36 |
yvl | agreed :) | 17:36 |
th1a | OK. | 17:36 |
th1a | So... see you guys Saturday! | 17:36 |
th1a | Also, replaceafill -- it is cold here. | 17:37 |
replaceafill | :( | 17:37 |
aelkner | looking forward to it | 17:37 |
th1a | Are you familiar with the concept? | 17:37 |
aelkner | he's been to DC | 17:37 |
replaceafill | i have to keep my windows open because of the heat, so... i'm in trouble again :) | 17:37 |
th1a | In the winter? | 17:37 |
th1a | I mean, DC in the winter? | 17:37 |
aelkner | wasn't it? | 17:37 |
replaceafill | last time i was at virginia it snowed | 17:38 |
th1a | I don't think it was very cold. | 17:38 |
replaceafill | no | 17:38 |
replaceafill | it wasn't | 17:38 |
replaceafill | and i still couldnt take it | 17:38 |
replaceafill | my nose :( | 17:38 |
replaceafill | i'll be prepared :) | 17:38 |
th1a | It is -3 C now. | 17:38 |
aelkner | replaceafill: schooltool.xmlrpc, i noticed there is no live version, only your version | 17:38 |
replaceafill | holy s*** | 17:38 |
aelkner | also | 17:38 |
th1a | You can borrow some things from me. | 17:39 |
replaceafill | aelkner, live? | 17:39 |
replaceafill | th1a, great thanks | 17:39 |
replaceafill | th1a gloves | 17:39 |
aelkner | part of a project | 17:39 |
th1a | We're about the same size, right? | 17:39 |
replaceafill | i haven't found a couple of gloves here! | 17:39 |
replaceafill | th1a, yes, kind of | 17:39 |
aelkner | right now one has to branch lp:~replaceafill/... | 17:39 |
replaceafill | aelkner, no, just my branch | 17:39 |
th1a | I have a warm coat you can use if necessary. | 17:40 |
aelkner | where is the live one? | 17:40 |
replaceafill | th1a, thanks | 17:40 |
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replaceafill | aelkner, SLA was using my branch | 17:40 |
aelkner | i know | 17:40 |
aelkner | what other choice is there? | 17:41 |
yvl | I don't think there's another choice | 17:41 |
replaceafill | aelkner, no | 17:41 |
aelkner | that's exactly my point | 17:41 |
replaceafill | schooltool.xmlrpc was just an experiment i guess | 17:41 |
aelkner | really? | 17:41 |
replaceafill | yes | 17:41 |
th1a | For the moment. | 17:42 |
replaceafill | it was built for custom needs of calfano | 17:42 |
aelkner | oh, so it's not meant for general use? | 17:42 |
th1a | If more people want XML-RPC, it may become more than an experiment. | 17:42 |
replaceafill | aelkner, no! | 17:42 |
replaceafill | aelkner, it would need a solid API | 17:42 |
th1a | It could be, in the future. | 17:42 |
aelkner | i understand | 17:42 |
aelkner | replaceafill: could you fix the broken test? | 17:43 |
replaceafill | there's a broken test? :( | 17:43 |
aelkner | yup | 17:43 |
aelkner | i keep it in my sandbox becuase i like my sandbox to miror SLA | 17:44 |
aelkner | it helps me support them | 17:44 |
* th1a is going to the potty with Vivian now. | 17:44 | |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:44 | |
aelkner | so when i test schooltool itself, i get the one failure | 17:44 |
aelkner | even though i'm not changing it | 17:44 |
replaceafill | aelkner, you're using trunk for schooltool, right? | 17:45 |
replaceafill | in that sandbox | 17:45 |
aelkner | yes | 17:45 |
replaceafill | probably something changed in schooltool that broke it | 17:45 |
replaceafill | aelkner, i'll take a look at it | 17:45 |
aelkner | that's what i figured | 17:45 |
aelkner | replaceafill: thanks | 17:45 |
replaceafill | th1a, "In many cases a first year pilot will proceed plans for a wider deployment." | 17:46 |
replaceafill | th1a, should that be "precede"? | 17:46 |
th1a | Indeed. | 17:49 |
menesis | ... | 17:53 |
menesis | what tests are broken? | 17:53 |
menesis | replaceafill: xmlrpc test breaks with newest schooltool? | 17:55 |
menesis | I have updated versions.cfg for trunk last week | 17:55 |
replaceafill | menesis, that's what i understood | 17:55 |
replaceafill | im branching it right now | 17:55 |
menesis | some tests did break | 17:55 |
replaceafill | ah | 17:55 |
menesis | or rather, test output changed | 17:55 |
menesis | th1a: on packaging, Daniel is helping me | 17:56 |
menesis | the first three packages were rejected :( | 17:56 |
menesis | because upstream source tarballs do not contain a license file | 17:57 |
menesis | but that's not something I can fix | 17:57 |
menesis | he told me to just add the license to the debian .diff.gz | 17:59 |
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menesis | in a week more packages were reviewed and uploaded | 17:59 |
menesis | but they will likely be rejected for the same reason | 18:00 |
menesis | so there was some progress on getting into Ubuntu | 18:00 |
menesis | but no real results | 18:01 |
Lumiere | hi all | 18:09 |
* Lumiere is sorry he missed the meeting and is tl;dr'ing the log | 18:12 | |
Lumiere | I was braving the nasty streets | 18:12 |
Lumiere | to bring the servers at my company back up | 18:12 |
Lumiere | the AC condencer | 18:12 |
Lumiere | on the roof of my building | 18:12 |
Lumiere | is so weighted down | 18:13 |
Lumiere | that it shut off | 18:13 |
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replaceafill | aelkner, ping | 19:01 |
replaceafill | aelkner, my schooltool.xmlrpc branch is fixed now | 19:01 |
replaceafill | menesis kindly sent me a patch and now it works with the new zope.container package | 19:02 |
replaceafill | just update the branch, run buildout and let me know if the tests pass now | 19:02 |
aelkner | replaceafill: the tests pass for me now, thanks | 19:15 |
replaceafill | great | 19:16 |
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