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| Lumiere | 'morning th1a | 16:20 |
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| th1a | hi Lumiere. | 16:21 |
| * th1a begins restoring his Thinkpad to its original factory setup... | 16:28 | |
| * yvl made coffee in time this time | 16:30 | |
| yvl | hi guys :) | 16:30 |
| aelkner | morning all | 16:30 |
| th1a | Good morning yvl, aelkner, replaceafill, menesis. | 16:30 |
| th1a | hi jelkner. | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning | 16:30 |
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| th1a | So... I'm slow getting a response from Mark. As you might have noticed he made a major announcement last week, | 16:31 |
| th1a | so he's probably been busy. | 16:32 |
| * Lumiere did not see it | 16:32 | |
| th1a | I'm not particularly worried that we'll all be unemployed in two weeks though. | 16:33 |
| th1a | Basically, he's stepping down as CEO of Canonical. | 16:33 |
| aelkner | do you have a link to this announcement? | 16:34 |
| th1a | To refocus his energies on "chasing skirts." | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/295 | 16:34 |
| th1a | That last bit was a joke. | 16:34 |
| th1a | I think he just wants to focus on the fun parts of running Ubuntu/Canonical. | 16:34 |
| Lumiere | yep | 16:35 |
| Lumiere | he wants to do what he started canonical to do | 16:35 |
| Lumiere | and not play with the business pieces for once | 16:35 |
| th1a | He's a geek first and foremost. | 16:36 |
| th1a | yvl: Tell me about our new SchoolTool version. | 16:38 |
| th1a | So the buildout uses the eggs that should correspond to the packages in Ubuntu? | 16:38 |
| yvl | their versions >= than those in Ubuntu | 16:38 |
| yvl | our debs should take precedence over Ubuntu once uploaded to PPA | 16:38 |
| th1a | What were the actual incompatibilites that needed to be fixed? | 16:39 |
| yvl | Zope refactorings mainly | 16:39 |
| th1a | Renaming things? Deprecation? | 16:39 |
| yvl | mostly | 16:39 |
| yvl | renaming things that got moved around | 16:39 |
| yvl | z3c.optionstorage was not compatible with newer Zope | 16:40 |
| yvl | I did a small fix there, we'll release our version as eggs + PPA | 16:40 |
| yvl | I should commit that to Zope svn some time | 16:40 |
| yvl | and release to PyPi | 16:40 |
| yvl | there were other small things (small to fix, time-costly to find what the heck) | 16:41 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:41 |
| yvl | so the situation now is that we have the version that works from eggs | 16:41 |
| th1a | Good. Glad that's out of the way. | 16:42 |
| th1a | I'll run my selenium tests against it. | 16:42 |
| yvl | good idea! | 16:42 |
| yvl | the release *should* be straightforward from this point | 16:42 |
| th1a | I had a major revelation on Friday. | 16:42 |
| yvl | please share :) | 16:43 |
| th1a | Instead of needing to buy a new monitor to try to juggle my documentation source, rendered docs, selenium scripts, etc., | 16:44 |
| th1a | which gets really confusing when they're all out of sync, | 16:44 |
| th1a | I could just PRINT OUT THE DOCS. | 16:44 |
| th1a | And write notes on them. | 16:44 |
| menesis | :D | 16:44 |
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| Lumiere | nice... | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | eww | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | fn meltdown | 16:46 |
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| aelkner | so i wrote the test for the emergency evolve script i had to write last week | 16:52 |
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| aelkner | and i made some code review changes for secure splitting of message body lines | 16:52 |
| aelkner | and i see menesis has already merged that, thanks | 16:52 |
| * Lumiere notes that nickname collisions are nasty... | 16:52 | |
| aelkner | in the gradebook, i fixed the average calculating routine to return UNSCORED rather than 0 | 16:53 |
| aelkner | when the student has no scores | 16:53 |
| yvl | thanks :) | 16:53 |
| aelkner | thus getting rid of yvl's XXX hack coments | 16:53 |
| aelkner | my pleasure :) | 16:53 |
| aelkner | also, i used this to fix summary view to ignore worksheets with no scores | 16:53 |
| aelkner | then i added the hide feature for worksheets | 16:55 |
| aelkner | so that gets some long-standing gradebook bugs out of the way | 16:55 |
| th1a | Good. | 16:55 |
| aelkner | on the schooltool side, i got rid of the Tiimetables link | 16:55 |
| aelkner | from the section context | 16:55 |
| aelkner | lucily i was able to fix the tests in both schooltool and lyceum.journal | 16:56 |
| aelkner | by merely replacing the Timetables click with an open of the section url + /timetables | 16:56 |
| th1a | Ah. Sneaky. | 16:57 |
| aelkner | but those two branches need to merged together | 16:57 |
| menesis | aelkner: that is not a fix | 16:57 |
| menesis | for journal | 16:57 |
| aelkner | please explain | 16:57 |
| menesis | functional tests should not do open(some url) | 16:57 |
| aelkner | menesis: i don't agree | 16:58 |
| yvl | kind of beats the purpose of "Functional" | 16:58 |
| menesis | they test that something can be reached by clicking | 16:58 |
| aelkner | the functional tests in question were only setup | 16:58 |
| menesis | ok but where do you manage timetables if there is no link any more | 16:58 |
| aelkner | ah, glad you asked | 16:58 |
| aelkner | th1a? you know this one :) | 16:59 |
| menesis | you removed only the link, but the view is there. why is it there if it can't be reached? | 16:59 |
| th1a | I believe the rationale was that you can get there by clicking Schedule. | 16:59 |
| menesis | ok, but.. | 16:59 |
| th1a | They are redundant. | 16:59 |
| menesis | if you click on a journal, you get a view "This section is not scheduled for any term, to use the journal you should add a timetable first." | 17:00 |
| menesis | You can manage timetables for this section here: <a href="http://localhost/schoolyears/2005/2005-fall-1/sections/1/timetables/">Timetables</a> | 17:00 |
| menesis | here is a link to the Timetables page | 17:01 |
| aelkner | so there it is | 17:01 |
| aelkner | so it's not like there is no link to it, right? | 17:01 |
| th1a | iirc, the situation is, I don't want two redundant confusing actions at the top of every section. | 17:01 |
| menesis | ok | 17:01 |
| menesis | the Schedule view is good | 17:02 |
| th1a | otoh, I don't really want to spend the time completely rearranging the whole old system. | 17:02 |
| menesis | but I was very confused by that section timetables thing | 17:02 |
| yvl | aelkner, the problem is with test readability/reliability | 17:02 |
| aelkner | what problem is that? | 17:02 |
| yvl | it would be nice if we could avoid too much browser.open in ftests | 17:02 |
| th1a | This is kind of a special case. | 17:03 |
| yvl | maybe we can discuss this in sprint? | 17:03 |
| yvl | live? :) | 17:03 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:03 |
| aelkner | sounds like a plan | 17:03 |
| yvl | it would be easier / faster :) | 17:03 |
| aelkner | indeed | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:03 |
| menesis | aelkner: I replace Timetables... Add timetable... with Schedule.click and the tests now pass and that's what you do in a browser | 17:03 |
| aelkner | oh, ok, i wasn't aware that would work | 17:04 |
| aelkner | thanks | 17:04 |
| th1a | That sounds like the right answer. | 17:04 |
| th1a | aelkner: Plans for the rest of the year? | 17:05 |
| aelkner | well, i still have some gradebook bugs | 17:05 |
| aelkner | so i can work on them | 17:06 |
| aelkner | that's it | 17:06 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:07 |
| th1a | Sounds good. | 17:07 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | i worked on the schooltool.email bugs this week | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | including the ones you created when you were writing the email part of the book | 17:07 |
| replaceafill | my bad english in one :) and the notification box in the other | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | i'm setting up schooltool in a new virtual machine now so you can see them | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | and the send email to contact feature too | 17:08 |
| th1a | You could just send me a screenshot. | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | i wanted you to test the logic of the contact email (when there's no email set, only subject and body can be edited, etc) | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | but ok, i'll go with the screenshot if that's ok | 17:09 |
| th1a | I prefer it actually. | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | ok, ah and i'm still in the middle of the smtp dataerror | 17:11 |
| th1a | Especially since on the web the interactions are so simple. | 17:11 |
| th1a | Its not like there's some crazy gesture or animation that two screenshots can't capture. | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | yes | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | i guess that's it | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | wondering what to do next | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | if i can help with anything else | 17:13 |
| th1a | Do you want to do some work the next couple weeks? | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | sure, i'll stay at home for the holidays, so... :) | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | i was reviewing my bug list and saw this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/420750 | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | i remember i tracked it down, but never actually fixed it | 17:14 |
| th1a | There are a bunch of small bugs I assigned to Justas while I was still thinking he'd have time to solve small bugs. | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | i don't know how valuable it is now though | 17:14 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:14 |
| th1a | justas and I could probably pick out some of those. | 17:15 |
| replaceafill | great | 17:15 |
| th1a | yvl: Do you want to take a look at your list? | 17:15 |
| yvl | will do | 17:16 |
| yvl | tomorrow, if it's ok | 17:16 |
| th1a | That's fine. | 17:16 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Keep me up to date via email. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, i will | 17:17 |
| th1a | I think we can safely skip meeting next week. | 17:17 |
| th1a | Nobody is going into the woods for a week or anything? | 17:18 |
| th1a | I'll let you know when I hear from Mark. | 17:18 |
| yvl | thanks :) | 17:18 |
| th1a | So... have a Merry Christmas everyone, and a Happy New Year! | 17:19 |
| th1a | We accomplished a lot this year, and I think we're positioned to do some exciting things next year. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | god blesses everyone... | 17:20 |
| th1a | (finally!) | 17:20 |
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| replaceafill | thanks everyone for your support, and i hope i can continue working with you guys :) happy holidays | 17:20 |
| th1a | How much snow did you get aelkner? | 17:21 |
| yvl | happy holidays to all :) | 17:21 |
| aelkner | 24 inches | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | we got 20"... and a Fed closure! (win) | 17:21 |
| aelkner | the second biggest snow in history | 17:21 |
| aelkner | it was wild | 17:21 |
| th1a | We got about a foot an a half, but a lot of drifting. | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | this was DC's 6th largest | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | and topped our December (total) record | 17:23 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel on 2009. | 17:23 | |
| menesis | :) | 17:23 |
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