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| jelkner | moquist: ping | 01:00 |
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| moquist | jelkner: pongo | 02:13 |
| moquist | Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu/pool/main/p/paste/python-paste_1.7.1-1ubuntu2_all.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 02:22 |
| moquist | Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-zope.interface/python-zopeinterface_3.4.1-6ubuntu2_all.deb Bad header line | 02:22 |
| moquist | :( | 02:22 |
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| moquist | oh...but this time they were fetched without a problem. Huh. | 02:38 |
| * moquist didn't really think simply trying again was going to work | 02:38 | |
| moquist | I was going to download what I could, munge the packages, and install manually. This is much better. :-) | 02:38 |
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| Lumiere | moquist: trying cando? | 03:23 |
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| moquist | Lumiere: not yet, just schooltool | 03:44 |
| moquist | setting up a demo for the Moodle integration client | 03:45 |
| jelkner | moquist: is the integration work under way? | 03:45 |
| jelkner | i asked replaceafill yesterday, and he said he was waiting to here from you | 03:46 |
| jelkner | s/here/hear | 03:46 |
| * jelkner needs to go home after 13 1/2 hours at work, so he'll wait for later to get a reply... | 03:48 | |
| moquist | yes | 03:48 |
| jelkner | lol | 03:48 |
| jelkner | cool! | 03:48 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll be waiting to start trying it out as soon as it's ready | 03:48 |
| moquist | I've been 1) really busy and 2) waiting for the last 50% of the payment for the first phase so I can pay Brett & replacefill | 03:48 |
| moquist | I just got 1) freed up and 2) some reasonable assurance that the last payment will be here next week | 03:49 |
| jelkner | ahh | 03:49 |
| jelkner | great | 03:49 |
| * moquist nods | 03:49 | |
| jelkner | i've got a quick question for you | 03:49 |
| moquist | so we're on track, hopefully coming out of the lull soon | 03:49 |
| moquist | shoot | 03:49 |
| jelkner | have you used lams? | 03:49 |
| jelkner | i learned about it at fossed this year | 03:50 |
| jelkner | i was very impressed | 03:50 |
| jelkner | but the version i saw was integrated with moodle | 03:50 |
| jelkner | which i though was less than ideal | 03:51 |
| jelkner | since it had too much duplication and made things much less intuitive to use | 03:51 |
| jelkner | things like: what do i want, a lams quiz or a moodle quiz? | 03:51 |
| jelkner | what i'm really hoping for is schooltool, mahara, lams integration | 03:52 |
| jelkner | since that is the combination i think will serve us best | 03:52 |
| jelkner | here at gctaa | 03:52 |
| jelkner | (Governor's Career and Technical Academy in Arlington) | 03:52 |
| jelkner | we will want to use schooltool / cando as the central tool | 03:52 |
| jelkner | and link in managed activities (using lams) and student evidence of mastery (using mahara) | 03:53 |
| jelkner | ok, i really do have to go. | 03:54 |
| jelkner | but i look forward to hearing your thoughts on that at some point. | 03:54 |
| moquist | I have none. | 03:54 |
| moquist | sorry... | 03:54 |
| jelkner | ok | 03:54 |
| moquist | I have heard of LAMS but never used it. | 03:54 |
| moquist | and never seen it used | 03:54 |
| moquist | bye. :) | 03:54 |
| jelkner | cool | 03:54 |
| jelkner | bye | 03:55 |
| * moquist doesn't want to hold jelkner up | 03:55 | |
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| * moquist struggles to make a new user an admin in schooltool-2009 | 04:59 | |
| moquist | I'm also trying to figure out (again) how to populate my demo with test data. | 05:00 |
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| * jelkner ... in the comfort of home at last | 05:02 | |
| moquist | jelkner: hi. can I badger you with questions? :) | 05:03 |
| moquist | I just got schooltool-2009 installed, and I can't figure out how 1) to make a new user an admin or 2) how to populate my system with test data | 05:04 |
| jelkner | ahh | 05:25 |
| jelkner | Lumiere is your man for that | 05:25 |
| jelkner | he is our sys admin | 05:25 |
| jelkner | i haven't ever had to worry about that | 05:26 |
| jelkner | he does it for us | 05:26 |
| jelkner | replaceafill will also know, of course | 05:26 |
| jelkner | but he isn't here | 05:26 |
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| aelkner | moquist: do you still need help getting users added | 05:45 |
| aelkner | ? | 05:46 |
| aelkner | to get test data, you need to edit schooltool.conf in your instance directory | 05:54 |
| aelkner | you go to the end of that file and comment in the last line where it says devmode to enable it | 05:54 |
| aelkner | then, when you hit the 'Manage' tab (after you restarted the serve), you will notice 'Sample Data' at the bottom of the links | 05:55 |
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| aelkner | hey replaceafill | 06:00 |
| replaceafill | hey aelkner | 06:01 |
| aelkner | i was just responding to a question moquist had about sample data | 06:02 |
| aelkner | have you ever used it? | 06:02 |
| replaceafill | no, i always use the sample_data.xls spreadsheet | 06:02 |
| aelkner | that's an interesting point | 06:03 |
| aelkner | that feature is newer | 06:03 |
| replaceafill | the spreadsheet? | 06:03 |
| aelkner | yeah, the import of it | 06:03 |
| aelkner | if i understand you correctly | 06:03 |
| aelkner | did you work on that feature? | 06:04 |
| replaceafill | no, ignas did i think | 06:04 |
| replaceafill | it creates a huuuge database | 06:04 |
| aelkner | ah, well i haven't had the chance to look over that code yet | 06:04 |
| replaceafill | moquist, ping | 06:05 |
| aelkner | i wouldn't be able to reccomend that or the old sample data system | 06:05 |
| replaceafill | is the old sample data system still there? | 06:05 |
| aelkner | yeah, you need devmode, then you see 'Sample Data' in the Manage tab links | 06:07 |
| * moquist pops back in | 06:07 | |
| replaceafill | hey moquist, did u solve your problem? | 06:07 |
| aelkner | replaceafill: you could explain how the xls system works if the old system is not desirable | 06:08 |
| replaceafill | you login as manager, then go to XLS Import, then you'll see: | 06:09 |
| replaceafill | For people interested in testing and exploring SchoolTool, we provide a set of sample data: sample_data.xls. | 06:09 |
| replaceafill | download the sample_data.xls file to your computer | 06:09 |
| replaceafill | and then upload it through the form | 06:10 |
| replaceafill | if your pc is slow try to remove some section spreadsheets | 06:10 |
| moquist | hi, and no | 06:43 |
| * moquist catches up | 06:43 | |
| moquist | replaceafill: right - thanks for reminding me of that. I think that's what I did last time, too. | 06:45 |
| moquist | I haven't figured out yet how to make a new user into an admin. | 06:45 |
| replaceafill | hey moquist, sorry i was away | 06:46 |
| moquist | NP, I have been, too. | 06:46 |
| replaceafill | do you want to add them to the School Admin group? | 06:46 |
| moquist | yes | 06:46 |
| replaceafill | go to persons | 06:47 |
| moquist | k | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | choose the person you want | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | (this is as manager, ok) | 06:47 |
| moquist | so far so good | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | and then go to Groups | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | select the School Admin group and hit Add | 06:47 |
| moquist | "There are none" | 06:47 |
| moquist | "There are none to add" | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, Groups exist inside schoolyears | 06:47 |
| replaceafill | you have to create a schoolyear for having groups | 06:48 |
| moquist | ooooooooohhhhhhhh. | 06:48 |
| moquist | so after my sample...xls file finishes importing, I'll have groups. | 06:48 |
| replaceafill | yes | 06:48 |
| moquist | k | 06:48 |
| moquist | I actually wondered that, but it was obviously only a guess. | 06:48 |
| moquist | And since I didn't know how to get the sample data, I didn't want to mess around creating stuff myself...etc. | 06:49 |
| * moquist thinks he is all set now | 06:49 | |
| moquist | replaceafill: we can finally, I think, begin to figure out the next phase. | 06:49 |
| replaceafill | moquist, nice! | 06:49 |
| moquist | In the next few days I'll hopefully be talking to Joe about some interface changes they want -- I don't know if they mean in Moodle or in SchoolTool. | 06:51 |
| replaceafill | are you setting sample data to demo SchoolTool? | 06:52 |
| replaceafill | or just to work with it and learn | 06:52 |
| moquist | both | 06:53 |
| replaceafill | great, let me know if i can assist you in anything | 06:54 |
| moquist | I will. | 06:55 |
| moquist | Actually, I guess I can just ask you to help break down the tasks that need to be done in SchoolTool -- the next step is estimating the next phase cost. | 06:55 |
| moquist | I was about to pull up our wiki page and get started on that, but my XLS import has failed and so now I'm distracted... | 06:56 |
| replaceafill | what happened? | 06:57 |
| replaceafill | do you have a traceback? | 06:57 |
| moquist | No. I'm running everything through an apache reverse proxy that serves as a gateway, and the error I got was from the proxy. | 06:57 |
| moquist | It smelt of a timeout between the proxy and the schooltool server. | 06:57 |
| moquist | I'm going to connect locally from lynx this time. | 06:58 |
| replaceafill | yes, loading that sample data takes a lot of time | 06:58 |
| replaceafill | you can delete some sections if you want | 06:58 |
| replaceafill | that will speed the process up | 06:58 |
| replaceafill | i think there are four section worksheets | 06:58 |
| moquist | I just need the system to look populated so it feels like it's real. | 07:05 |
| moquist | hmm. how bad is it if I kill the instance of ST that's still plugging away on that XLS import? | 07:07 |
| moquist | it's sucking up all my CPU, which makes me sad. :( | 07:08 |
| replaceafill | :) you will kill some of the data | 07:08 |
| moquist | will it break anything? | 07:08 |
| moquist | as long as nothing is broken, I don't care. | 07:08 |
| replaceafill | probably | 07:08 |
| moquist | oh. | 07:08 |
| replaceafill | u can start over | 07:09 |
| moquist | how? | 07:09 |
| replaceafill | i mean delete the database and create a new one | 07:09 |
| moquist | remove the DB? | 07:09 |
| * moquist nods | 07:09 | |
| replaceafill | yes | 07:09 |
| moquist | do I need anything specialer than rm? | 07:09 |
| * moquist also needs to know where the DB is, but assumes he can figure that out | 07:09 | |
| replaceafill | are you using the deb packages? | 07:09 |
| moquist | Oh - I think that's in the book, actually. | 07:09 |
| moquist | yes, on jaunty | 07:09 |
| replaceafill | let me check how it's called in the deb packages | 07:10 |
| * replaceafill only uses branches :S | 07:11 | |
| moquist | /var/lib/schooltool/schooltool-2009-Data.fs and friends look promising | 07:12 |
| replaceafill | that's the one | 07:12 |
| replaceafill | look the .index .tmp etc files too | 07:12 |
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| fsufitch | anyone around to answer a weird question of mine? | 18:36 |
| Lumiere | sure | 18:46 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: pong | 18:46 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: why can sections have more than one course?? | 18:46 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: joint class | 18:49 |
| fsufitch | ah | 18:49 |
| Lumiere | at YHS I had a section that was 2 periods long that was english and social studies for example | 18:49 |
| fsufitch | ok then, ill have to process these nicely then | 18:49 |
| Lumiere | it's rare, but a case that ST does support | 18:49 |
| fsufitch | ook | 18:49 |
| fsufitch | technically this is a cando feature, but ill make it compatible :-P | 18:50 |
| fsufitch | since cando is now schooltool | 18:50 |
| fsufitch | ... sort of | 18:50 |
| fsufitch | i still dont get that | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: multiple courses for a section is part of SchoolTool | 18:51 |
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| Lumiere | remember that CanDo features must support all of the ways schooltool may have data | 18:51 |
| fsufitch | nono, i get that, i dont get the relationship b/w CanDo and SchoolTool anymore | 18:51 |
| Lumiere | CanDo is a module of SchoolTool, | 18:52 |
| Lumiere | and it has to respect SchoolTool's Data Model | 18:52 |
| Lumiere | :) | 18:52 |
| fsufitch | roger | 18:52 |
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| fsufitch | Lumiere: what assumptions can i make about the grammar of score titles? | 19:37 |
| fsufitch | like, will scores be past tense fragments like "has performed without assistance"? | 19:37 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: I need to find those lines | 19:44 |
| Lumiere | we have the state issued wordings | 19:44 |
| Lumiere | which are annoyingly long | 19:44 |
| Lumiere | 4 - Can teach others | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | 3 - Can perform without supervision | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | 2 - Can perform with limited supervision | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | 1 - Can perform with supervision | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | 0 - Cannot perform | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | btw | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | hey, that's convenient :D | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | cool | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | hm? | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | they see 2 as competent | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | it doesnt matter | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | im making it flexible | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | I know | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | w/e they set as the minimum score will be "competent" | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | USS is flexible | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | yep | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | everything above that will be "exceeds" | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | works for me | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | i havent decided on wording yet | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | we may need to make 2 wordings | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | a full wording | 19:46 |
| fsufitch | well yes | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | and an abbreviation for stuff | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | cause | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | the reports can't really say the whole thing | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | probably something along the lines of Cannot preform, supervised, limited supervision, without supervision, teaching | 19:47 |
| Lumiere | still too long | 19:47 |
| fsufitch | uh | 19:54 |
| fsufitch | nono, what i mean is | 19:54 |
| fsufitch | it says | 19:54 |
| fsufitch | "This certifies that <student name> has achieved "Can perform without supervision" for these skills:" | 19:55 |
| fsufitch | list | 19:55 |
| fsufitch | etc | 19:55 |
| Lumiere | ah | 19:55 |
| Lumiere | that works | 19:55 |
| Lumiere | but it should just take it from Universal Score System | 19:56 |
| fsufitch | yea | 19:58 |
| fsufitch | thats what im doing | 19:58 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: how should i treat competency groups? | 20:05 |
| Lumiere | for that form ignore em | 20:05 |
| fsufitch | ook | 20:05 |
| Lumiere | you're just reporting comps | 20:05 |
| fsufitch | so just lump all the comps together | 20:05 |
| fsufitch | ok | 20:05 |
| Lumiere | and attach a state report to the back maybe | 20:06 |
| Lumiere | bbiab gotta run to acc | 20:06 |
| fsufitch | kk | 20:07 |
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| fsufitch | Lumiere: ping | 20:57 |
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