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| dlobo | th1a: hey a quick question. does schooltool include a scheduling module? | 19:34 |
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| dlobo | i.e. i need something for parent teacher conferences | 19:34 |
| th1a | In the sense that it generates the schedule itself? | 19:34 |
| th1a | It has calendars. | 19:35 |
| th1a | But it does not have timetable/schedule generating algorithms. | 19:35 |
| th1a | Makes sense? | 19:36 |
| dlobo | ok | 19:37 |
| dlobo | do u know of any open source scheduling stuff | 19:37 |
| dlobo | i'm starting to scope out and start doing some work for sf school (gotta release civicrm 2.3 first :) | 19:38 |
| dlobo | found phpscheduleit so far | 19:38 |
| dlobo | which might meet our needs | 19:38 |
| th1a | Well, it is kind of weird. | 19:40 |
| dlobo | why? (also, any other options?) | 19:42 |
| th1a | Actually, it looks like SchoolTool does what phpscheduleit does. | 19:42 |
| th1a | Part of what makes it weird is it is so difficult to get straight what people are actually talking about when they say "schedule" or "timetable." | 19:42 |
| th1a | So could you be more specific? | 19:43 |
| th1a | e.g., there are several mature open source projects to do "timetable" generation, meaning figuring out which sections should meet in which rooms. | 19:44 |
| th1a | But not for "scheduling," figuring which students should be in which sections. | 19:44 |
| th1a | SchoolTool has a pretty good "reservation" system at this point. | 19:45 |
| th1a | Meaning, people can reserve resources like classrooms. | 19:45 |
| dlobo | i want a system for parent teacher conferences | 19:49 |
| dlobo | th1a: which to some extent is like a scheduling/reservation system | 19:49 |
| dlobo | (since its a small school, its not a very hard problem either, 10 kids / teacher over a few days) | 19:50 |
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| th1a | dlobo: I have no idea of what you are trying to tell me. | 20:02 |
| th1a | What does it need to *do*? | 20:02 |
| dlobo | th1a: that was in response to: So could you be more specific? | 20:03 |
| th1a | But what do you need to do with the system? | 20:03 |
| th1a | Do you need to feed in a list of teachers and parents and spit out a schedule? | 20:03 |
| dlobo | my current need is a system that parents can sign up for a slot for parent teacher conferences | 20:03 |
| th1a | OK. | 20:03 |
| th1a | Parents sign up. | 20:04 |
| dlobo | so the teacher tells the slots | 20:04 |
| dlobo | and then parents sign up (or the admin configures the open slots) | 20:04 |
| th1a | Teachers tell who? | 20:04 |
| th1a | Do you want parents to literally schedule themselves on line or just talk to someone? | 20:05 |
| dlobo | yes. since this happens only once or twice a year | 20:05 |
| dlobo | per grade | 20:05 |
| dlobo | (right now, they call the front desk and its a manual process) | 20:06 |
| th1a | Hm. | 20:07 |
| th1a | It is a very specific case. | 20:07 |
| th1a | Do you want parents to have to log in? | 20:08 |
| dlobo | yes | 20:08 |
| dlobo | parents will log in | 20:08 |
| dlobo | we are doing a lot more with the log in | 20:08 |
| dlobo | (and exposing student information etc). Also doing extended care registration etc via the login | 20:09 |
| dlobo | student information == name / address / grade etc (to begin with), not SIS information :) | 20:09 |
| th1a | So you're already giving them accounts with civiccrm | 20:09 |
| th1a | Can't you do this in civicrm? | 20:10 |
| dlobo | yes, all that is being done as part of drupal/civicrm | 20:10 |
| dlobo | the PTC registration is the missing part | 20:10 |
| th1a | I think you'd be best off writing a really simple module for that. | 20:11 |
| th1a | For civiccrm. | 20:11 |
| dlobo | ok. any thoughts and impressions on phpScheduleIT? | 20:11 |
| dlobo | is it worth looking into? or it is more complicated than what i need? | 20:11 |
| th1a | I suspect it is more than you need and you don't want to confuse parents. | 20:13 |
| th1a | You pretty much need a *Book a teacher conference* link. | 20:14 |
| th1a | Then *select a teacher*. | 20:14 |
| th1a | Then *pick a time*. | 20:14 |
| th1a | Right? | 20:14 |
| dlobo | yeah | 20:14 |
| dlobo | the teacher is pre-assigned and selected | 20:14 |
| dlobo | so basicaly pick an available time | 20:14 |
| th1a | Yeah, just write that. | 20:15 |
| dlobo | kinda agree, its a bit simple that its not worth the additional overhead :) | 20:15 |
| dlobo | thanx | 20:15 |
| th1a | It definitely seems like it fits the CRM thing. | 20:15 |
| th1a | You'll have to let me know at some point about what conclusions you reached, if any, about the open source SIS scene. | 20:15 |
| dlobo | i will, though i suspect i wont be researching it a lot for the next few weeks while i get this thing rolling first | 20:19 |
| dlobo | but the multiple forks of the focus system is definitely a concern | 20:19 |
| dlobo | and confuses issues and the response from them on the groups site was not great either (i.e. did not clarify things at all) | 20:20 |
| th1a | I was interested to learn that they're contemplating a Moodle-centric re-write. | 20:20 |
| dlobo | in open source people contemplate a LOT of things (IMO), a lot of it never leaves the contemplation stage :) | 20:24 |
| dlobo | so i kinda take a lot of that with a grain of salt | 20:25 |
| th1a | dlobo: Certainly. | 20:44 |
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| Lumiere | th1a: if at some point we had better integration type things... it is the sort of thing that should be able to be pushed into a teachers schedule from like the website | 22:40 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Yeah... the biggest thing at this point would just be not having parent accounts. | 22:41 |
| Lumiere | yea | 22:56 |
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