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jelkner | th1a: good morning! | 15:52 |
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jelkner | what time to you arrive today? | 15:53 |
jelkner | and... can we please put logistics for the feb sprint high on today's agenda?\ | 15:53 |
jelkner | as you know, replaceafill has his visa | 15:53 |
jelkner | and is ready to purchase a ticket | 15:54 |
jelkner | yvl: good morning! | 15:54 |
jelkner | i have a question for you and ignas | 15:54 |
yvl | morning Jeff! | 15:55 |
th1a | jelkner: What kind of logistics? | 15:55 |
jelkner | do you have any plans to visit frederiksburg while you are here? | 15:55 |
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jelkner | morning ignas! | 15:55 |
ignas | jelkner: morning | 15:56 |
jelkner | so, ignas and yvl, any trip to zope.corp in your february visit plans? | 15:56 |
ignas | nope | 15:56 |
jelkner | ok | 15:56 |
jelkner | too bad | 15:56 |
th1a | ? | 15:57 |
jelkner | i was hoping replaceafill would have a chance to visit down there | 15:57 |
jelkner | since i know that you have taken the opportunity on your trips here to visit there in the past | 15:57 |
jelkner | some other time then | 15:58 |
jelkner | btw. great news about launchpad! | 15:58 |
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jelkner | ignas and yvl: when are you two flying in? | 16:00 |
jelkner | when are you flying back? | 16:00 |
yvl | good question. | 16:00 |
yvl | we don't have the plane tickets yet. | 16:00 |
jelkner | th1a: that kind of logistics! | 16:00 |
yvl | or valid passports, at the moment :) | 16:00 |
ignas | we have valid passports | 16:01 |
ignas | just that they won't let us into the US with them | 16:01 |
jelkner | ouch! why? | 16:01 |
yvl | that should be fixed in ~ a week | 16:01 |
yvl | (they expire in less than 6 months. in 5 months.) | 16:01 |
yvl | so we're changing our passports now | 16:02 |
th1a | Ah yes. | 16:02 |
th1a | The pre-expiration expiration. | 16:02 |
* th1a is going to take a shower. | 16:02 | |
jelkner | what about our meeting? | 16:03 |
jelkner | are we not having it this morning? | 16:03 |
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ignas | we are having, but i'ts in 30 minutes (25 to be precise) | 16:04 |
jelkner | thanks, ignas | 16:05 |
jelkner | i'll come back then | 16:05 |
jelkner | in the mean time, since replaceafill is about to purchase his ticket, he was thinking of arriving on tuesday, feb 3 (at night) and leaving on the morning of monday, feb 9 | 16:06 |
jelkner | that gives him 2 days (wednesday and thursday) to see some of dc before the sprint | 16:07 |
jelkner | does that sound about right? | 16:07 |
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jelkner | morning aelkner | 16:12 |
jelkner | so, the william penn's curse seems to be truly lifted | 16:13 |
jelkner | though they will still have to get through baltimore ;-) | 16:16 |
ignas | jelkner: can you give us Lithuanians more context? | 16:17 |
jelkner | no major philadelphia sports team has one a major championship in the last 20 years | 16:17 |
jelkner | philadelphia had a law on the books for a few hundred years that no building could be taller than the statue of philadelphia's founder, william penn | 16:18 |
jelkner | which sat on top of city hall | 16:18 |
jelkner | they changed that law about 20 years ago | 16:19 |
jelkner | and the story is that philadelphia sports teams have been suffering ever since | 16:19 |
jelkner | then this past year they put a new statue of william penn on top of the tallest building in the city | 16:19 |
jelkner | and the phillies won the world series | 16:20 |
ignas | :) | 16:20 |
jelkner | now the eagles are heading to the nfc championship | 16:20 |
jelkner | the extra funny part is that the new statue is so high up that no one can see it | 16:22 |
jelkner | (it is too small to see anyway) | 16:22 |
jelkner | they put it there just to end the curse | 16:23 |
ignas | :) | 16:23 |
yvl | well, whatever works ;) | 16:24 |
th1a | It will take more than that to get past the Steelers. | 16:28 |
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aelkner | we already dispatched them pretty easily this year | 16:29 |
jstraw | 'morning all | 16:29 |
jelkner | th1a: you mean the ravens | 16:29 |
aelkner | no, the steelers | 16:29 |
th1a | We may have an all Pennsylvania Super Bowl. Not to look ahead or anything. | 16:30 |
aelkner | would be awfully cool | 16:30 |
th1a | Anyhow, getting down to business. | 16:30 |
th1a | aelkner: What is up? | 16:30 |
jelkner | or a Boswash Super Bowl | 16:30 |
jelkner | ok | 16:30 |
aelkner | i worked on the cando bug this weekend | 16:31 |
aelkner | but i haven't finished yet | 16:31 |
aelkner | it's tricky to reproduce in tests | 16:31 |
aelkner | but i did start by changing the test data to include a group with double-space in it | 16:32 |
aelkner | and readjusted the tests accordingly | 16:32 |
aelkner | but for some reason, the tests aren't failing where the live server fails | 16:33 |
jstraw | we have a group with 2 spaces in it? | 16:33 |
aelkner | yes, that's the bug | 16:33 |
jstraw | (are you sure that it is 2 spaces and not a space and some control character? | 16:33 |
aelkner | apparently, the xml file had two spaces in it for that group | 16:33 |
aelkner | no, it's two spaces | 16:33 |
jstraw | ok | 16:33 |
aelkner | problem is, the browser won't send the double-space back to the server | 16:34 |
jstraw | url-encode it | 16:35 |
jstraw | it should be urlencoded anyways | 16:35 |
jstraw | (' ' -> '%20' | 16:35 |
th1a | Can we just filter those out on input? | 16:35 |
jstraw | th1a: not really | 16:35 |
th1a | OK... moving on... | 16:35 |
th1a | aelkner: There are several gradebook bugs already in LaunchPad assigned to you. | 16:36 |
jstraw | k | 16:36 |
aelkner | so that's all i dealt with since last we spoke | 16:36 |
aelkner | i saw | 16:36 |
aelkner | also, there's that sla wizard feature | 16:36 |
th1a | yvl: Are you working on SchoolTool this week? | 16:37 |
yvl | yes th1a | 16:37 |
yvl | I'm kind of out of tasks | 16:37 |
yvl | or from the other point of view, I have several... | 16:37 |
yvl | but still, it would be nice to know if there are some higher priority ones | 16:38 |
yvl | for the next week, I have: | 16:38 |
yvl | sprint planning with Ignas | 16:38 |
yvl | various bugs you assigned me | 16:38 |
yvl | generic report headers, etc. | 16:39 |
yvl | and that's it, as far as I remember | 16:39 |
yvl | as for the last week... | 16:39 |
yvl | I did the tabbed intervention view for SLA | 16:39 |
yvl | merged CanDo active branch to trunk | 16:39 |
yvl | and wrote some short notes on importing student information | 16:40 |
yvl | (along with CSV field restrictions) | 16:40 |
yvl | and that's it. | 16:40 |
yvl | th1a, do you want to put priorities on tasks for next week, or should I choose as I go? | 16:42 |
th1a | OK. The things on your to do list are things that need to be done. I've been distracted by this various travel coming up. When I get back I'll have to tie myself to a chair with the gradebook and write some bugs and reports. | 16:42 |
yvl | OK | 16:42 |
th1a | It would be good for you and ignas to work on the persons plan. | 16:42 |
th1a | Enough to push the discussion forward another step. | 16:43 |
yvl | by persons plan you mean demographics? | 16:44 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:44 |
yvl | OK, will do. | 16:44 |
jstraw | I will svn switch today or tomorrow I think | 16:44 |
yvl | great! | 16:44 |
yvl | just please, please test :) | 16:44 |
th1a | In terms of things that need sustained planning and coding, that's the big one. | 16:44 |
th1a | demographics, that is. | 16:44 |
th1a | Although hopefully not too sustained. ;-) | 16:45 |
yvl | especially the planning part? ;) | 16:45 |
th1a | Ideally. | 16:46 |
th1a | OK, ignas? | 16:46 |
ignas | th1a: as soon as we'll know what we're doing - we'll stop | 16:46 |
th1a | :-) | 16:46 |
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ignas | some post holiday cleanup stuff, made buildbot green again, made sure all the releases are passing their tests and are properly configured. | 16:47 |
ignas | looked a bit at xls import/export, but mostly spent time planning our upcomming sprint with help from Justas | 16:47 |
dwelsh | we need to start writing tests to make sure that CanDo functionality is not lost when SchoolTool makes changes! | 16:47 |
th1a | dwelsh crashes in. | 16:48 |
ignas | we did some brainstorming, and I have some ideas/possible ways of doing stuff that you want | 16:48 |
dwelsh | er... good morning | 16:48 |
ignas | dwelsh: hi | 16:48 |
aelkner | dwelsh: what do you mean specifically | 16:48 |
* jstraw wonders too | 16:48 | |
ignas | th1a: i'll be looking at how much time which thing might take, look at the code and see what we can do before the spring and during the sprint | 16:48 |
ignas | as I don't really want to be exploring technical possibilities during the sprint | 16:49 |
jstraw | dwelsh: need to talk with you for a minute today... once the phones are working again | 16:49 |
ignas | so this week i'd like to do some precise estimation of things we are going to do during the sprint | 16:49 |
dwelsh | righto | 16:49 |
th1a | ignas: OK. | 16:50 |
ignas | this should give us an idea of what we should have working after the sprint | 16:50 |
th1a | OK. | 16:51 |
ignas | i'll send you and email as soon as I'll have it more concrete | 16:51 |
ignas | so you could review it and maybe reprioritize some things | 16:51 |
th1a | Sounds good. | 16:51 |
th1a | yvl: We really do need the custom header by the way. | 16:52 |
yvl | ok | 16:52 |
th1a | Just a simple one. | 16:52 |
yvl | got it | 16:53 |
jstraw | imo, just enough to get the school name and something that says it is from schooltool in such a way that it is instantly recognized from the print try | 16:53 |
jstraw | err tray | 16:53 |
th1a | No, I mean more like a letterhead. | 16:54 |
jstraw | I pick up enough printouts from different SIS's that it really helps when I can quickly find it | 16:54 |
jstraw | th1a: that's what I was getting at | 16:54 |
th1a | OK. | 16:55 |
th1a | Either way it is a standard bit we need. | 16:55 |
th1a | Now, what was the problem that dwelsh ran into exactly? | 16:56 |
th1a | ... | 16:57 |
jstraw | lol figures welsh would talk then run | 16:57 |
th1a | jelkner: Do we need to discuss logistics more? | 16:58 |
aelkner | jstraw: it fiigures all right | 16:58 |
ignas | hmm, maybe, i mean - what address are Justas and I going to stay in | 16:58 |
ignas | (they ask that in airplanes) | 16:58 |
jelkner | th1a: i don't think so | 16:58 |
jstraw | you can try calling him, but APS's phone network is down | 16:59 |
jstraw | so getting through might be hard | 16:59 |
th1a | I have to make reservations at the Days Inn in Arlington. | 16:59 |
aelkner | ignas wants to know the name and address of the hotel | 16:59 |
jelkner | ignas: i'll send that to you | 16:59 |
th1a | Thanks for passing that along for me aelkner. | 16:59 |
aelkner | haha | 16:59 |
dwelsh | welsh busts in again... where are we on getting the VA pilot issues together: | 17:00 |
aelkner | my message was late | 17:00 |
dwelsh | 1) data format | 17:00 |
dwelsh | 2) merged CanDo branch | 17:00 |
dwelsh | 3) any other issues? | 17:00 |
jstraw | 2 is done | 17:00 |
th1a | Yes, where are we with 1)? | 17:00 |
aelkner | jstraw: let us know when you've done the svn switch | 17:00 |
jstraw | I need ignas to resend the xls | 17:00 |
jstraw | I cannot find it | 17:00 |
ignas | jstraw: what xls? | 17:00 |
ignas | jstraw: why xls, you got custom csv | 17:00 |
ignas | in cando | 17:00 |
jstraw | ignas: csv is just people | 17:01 |
jstraw | xls would get courses and sections | 17:01 |
ignas | oh, but when I asked what more data you need | 17:01 |
yvl | jstraw: Re: CanDo Pilot and Rollout Issues on 01/09/2009 | 17:01 |
ignas | i got an answer "student number" | 17:01 |
dwelsh | aren't we talking an spreadsheet format (Excel spreadsheet)? | 17:01 |
ignas | so ok, i'll send you the xls | 17:01 |
yvl | it's the second time I sent it | 17:01 |
jstraw | err *goes to look* | 17:01 |
yvl | sorry, now I see | 17:01 |
yvl | jstraw, it's only student CSV | 17:02 |
ignas | jstraw: ok, so Persons in CSV, Sections in an (Excel spreadsheet) | 17:02 |
jstraw | ok | 17:02 |
jstraw | dwelsh: that ok with you? | 17:02 |
ignas | Courses in Excel too i guess | 17:03 |
* jstraw suggests that we ask for the person data in excel and then extract it and clear the person data | 17:03 | |
th1a | Does CanDo already have other custom demographic fields? | 17:03 |
ignas | (sections need Courses) | 17:03 |
jstraw | brb | 17:03 |
ignas | th1a: yeah, cando has some custom demographics fields, like student grading number | 17:03 |
dwelsh | just two custom... ethnicity field and student testing # | 17:03 |
ignas | IIRC | 17:03 |
* th1a is confused as to why we wouldn't do this all in .xls. | 17:03 | |
dwelsh | justus added these in August 08 | 17:03 |
dwelsh | I assume student demographics has a "current grade" field | 17:04 |
ignas | th1a: if you want Justas to add the fields to the XLS | 17:05 |
ignas | th1a: all you have to do is ask ;) | 17:05 |
dwelsh | (in other news, welsh just got custom laser trifold brochure paper) | 17:05 |
th1a | dwelsh: Good. | 17:05 |
ignas | th1a: at the moment there is a custom CSV import view for cando that is dealing with cando specific fields | 17:05 |
jelkner | ignas: http://www.daysinn.com/DaysInn/control/Booking/property_info?propertyId=09615&brandInfo=DI | 17:05 |
th1a | If it wouldn't be more than, say, a day of work it would be better to do it all through .xls. | 17:06 |
th1a | We're expecting other schools to use this. | 17:06 |
dwelsh | for VA pilot, courses and sections will be created manually | 17:06 |
dwelsh | we only need student demographics to be imported | 17:07 |
th1a | OK, then I guess we can still do CSV. | 17:07 |
dwelsh | one user story for Alan, however, that would be very helpful, is that ability to batch-enroll using a set of student ids | 17:07 |
aelkner | in the summer we cold move onto using xls | 17:07 |
dwelsh | this has been requested a number of times by Arlington teachers | 17:08 |
aelkner | dwelsh: add it to launchpad | 17:08 |
dwelsh | will do | 17:09 |
dwelsh | aelkner, how are you coming with your bug involving comp group pulldown? | 17:09 |
yvl | dwelsh, by enrol you mean "assign students to sections"? | 17:09 |
aelkner | dwelsh: i'm half way there | 17:09 |
dwelsh | correct. it's very tedious for teachers to have to keep adding students one at a time. | 17:10 |
dwelsh | sometimes they have six classes, with over 20 students per class | 17:10 |
yvl | dwelsh, ShoolTool xls importer allows you to do that | 17:10 |
ignas | dwelsh: xls import can assign persons to sections (it does not matter how sections/courses/persons got into the system) | 17:10 |
dwelsh | ok. I will need a walk-through and test of this | 17:10 |
aelkner | ignas: is this xls assignment of students to sections in schooltool egg already? | 17:11 |
th1a | If you look at the sections tab of the import spreadsheet, you're 80% of the way there. | 17:12 |
ignas | aelkner: yes, though in a not 100% foolproof way | 17:12 |
ignas | aelkner: as in - you can break it | 17:12 |
aelkner | how? | 17:12 |
ignas | well - provide an invalid student ID | 17:12 |
ignas | for example | 17:12 |
ignas | and you will get a traceback | 17:12 |
aelkner | instead of an error message, right? | 17:13 |
ignas | I am still in progress of adding various sanity checks | 17:13 |
ignas | aelkner: yeah | 17:13 |
ignas | so - if you know what you are doing | 17:13 |
aelkner | ideally, we do a draft run, right? | 17:13 |
ignas | you can accomplish what you want | 17:13 |
ignas | why a draft run? we can catch errors, report them, and rollback the changes | 17:13 |
ignas | if there were any errors | 17:13 |
ignas | savepoints FTW | 17:13 |
th1a | Ah... so that's one reason our giant import will always take a fair amount of memory. | 17:14 |
th1a | For sample data. | 17:14 |
aelkner | my sla imports use a draft run | 17:14 |
ignas | aelkner: do you know how to use savepoints? | 17:14 |
aelkner | not yet | 17:15 |
ignas | th1a: not really, it's mostly because we are doing timetables for 2 years | 17:15 |
ignas | th1a: i am going to refactor the spreadsheet | 17:15 |
th1a | OK. | 17:15 |
ignas | th1a: and make it easier to "remove" sections for terms you don't want | 17:15 |
aelkner | i got the did draft runs because that was what schooltool was doing | 17:15 |
ignas | th1a: so users can just remove 3 sheets and only get 6 months of sections + timetables | 17:15 |
ignas | aelkner: well - it works too | 17:16 |
ignas | aelkner: i am going to do "verification" and "import" steps later, instead of just an import step | 17:16 |
aelkner | that's was i was getting at | 17:16 |
ignas | aelkner: but import + rollback if there are errors is the easyest way to do it | 17:16 |
aelkner | i see | 17:17 |
ignas | but verification is not really going to share much code with import | 17:17 |
aelkner | that's more up to date technology | 17:17 |
dwelsh | this bug has been entered as #316412, importance "high" | 17:18 |
dwelsh | I've noted the xls importer in the comments | 17:18 |
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th1a | OK, so everyone has some work on their plate, then. | 17:19 |
ignas | dwelsh: you want teachers doing that? | 17:19 |
dwelsh | yes; I would like for this feature to be accessible to them. | 17:20 |
dwelsh | in the future, it would be nice to be able to import all courses, sections and their students. | 17:20 |
ignas | dwelsh: in that case a simple view that allows you to enter student ids manually is a better alternative to xls import | 17:20 |
dwelsh | but this is *very* difficult to get our student info system to do with CanDo | 17:21 |
dwelsh | yes; I envision being able to cut and paste a commas separated list of student id's | 17:21 |
th1a | It is a very non-standard use case though. | 17:22 |
th1a | Anyhow, dwelsh and I need to discuss the brochure. | 17:23 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:23 | |
th1a | Have a great week gentlemen! | 17:23 |
th1a | dwelsh: So we're roping in your sister? | 17:23 |
dwelsh | just wrote you. she will work on it starting Wed for Congressional staff visit in 2 weeks. | 17:25 |
dwelsh | it's you and me, buddy, tonight and tomorrow am. | 17:25 |
dwelsh | if you can get together language, logos in meantime, that would help. | 17:25 |
th1a | So... we're using your computer? | 17:25 |
th1a | I do this stuff in Pages on the Mac. | 17:26 |
dwelsh | yes, unless you have made a ton of progress in Pages already. | 17:27 |
dwelsh | main goal for today is to finalise langague and elements. | 17:27 |
dwelsh | tonight and tomorrow we can polish off layout | 17:27 |
dwelsh | (replace s with z in finalize) | 17:28 |
th1a | OK. | 17:28 |
th1a | Fine with me. | 17:28 |
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dwelsh | have we agreed on the data important format and procedure for VA state pilot | 17:29 |
dwelsh | I need to get Lee Capps this info soon. | 17:29 |
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dwelsh | to give him time to get it out to the eight school systems | 17:29 |
dwelsh | so he can get the data back and get everything setup by the training | 17:30 |
dwelsh | which now is set for Feb. 12 and Feb. 13 (different group each day) | 17:30 |
th1a | yvl and ignas: Where did we end up with that? | 17:30 |
* th1a doesn't understand how this became so difficult. | 17:31 | |
th1a | Was something sent to jstraw? | 17:31 |
dwelsh | welsh also is wondering... | 17:31 |
dwelsh | how many develpers does it take to... | 17:32 |
yvl | th1a, I sent the template twice | 17:32 |
dwelsh | to whom??? | 17:33 |
yvl | dwelsh, th1a, jstraw | 17:33 |
dwelsh | did I get that??? | 17:33 |
yvl | aelkner | 17:33 |
yvl | jeff | 17:33 |
yvl | and ignas | 17:33 |
dwelsh | I'm looking | 17:33 |
yvl | dwelsh, you even replied :) | 17:33 |
jstraw | lol | 17:33 |
yvl | my email on 2009-01-09 | 17:34 |
ignas | CSV files are tricky, they don't look like well - files ;) | 17:34 |
yvl | Re: CanDo pilot and rollout issues | 17:34 |
yvl | ignas, true :) | 17:34 |
yvl | two attached files: student_import_template.csv | 17:34 |
yvl | and student_import_format.txt | 17:34 |
dwelsh | OK. I see a document "short guide to CanDo student importer" | 17:35 |
dwelsh | is this what we are going on??? | 17:35 |
ignas | jstraw: can you see the files? | 17:35 |
jstraw | I have those 2 files yes | 17:35 |
yvl | cool :) | 17:35 |
yvl | are they clear enough, or should I try to elaborate more on them? | 17:36 |
* jstraw can't look at them this morning | 17:36 | |
yvl | or the import procedure, or whatever?.. | 17:36 |
yvl | ok | 17:36 |
yvl | please email me if anything :) | 17:36 |
dwelsh | OK. looks pretty clear to me. | 17:37 |
dwelsh | jstraw: can you check this too, as any problems will come back to haunt us, eight times over | 17:38 |
jstraw | I will this afternoon | 17:38 |
dwelsh | I will send these two docs to Lee Capps to get is feedback, too | 17:38 |
dwelsh | thanks, ignas. please accept my apologies for having missed it. | 17:39 |
ignas | dwelsh: it's yvl who was sending it ;) | 17:40 |
yvl | no problem, dwelsh - I understand that your'e quite busy :) | 17:40 |
jstraw | understatement of the year | 17:41 |
dwelsh | surviving... with your help! | 17:42 |
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dwelsh | looking at the data format, the only problem may be the date field | 17:53 |
dwelsh | the default of APS' student info system is MM-DD-YYYY | 17:54 |
dwelsh | I assume this is the default in almost all of the U.S. | 17:54 |
dwelsh | we may want to go with that default | 17:54 |
dwelsh | th1a: what do you think? | 17:54 |
yvl | dwelsh, I can implement it when we know for sure | 17:55 |
dwelsh | that's good to know. I'll ask Lee Capps what he thinks. | 17:55 |
jstraw | fixing dates in excel is easy | 17:55 |
jstraw | just tell it to output YYYY-MM-DD | 17:55 |
dwelsh | 2nd question: will the optional info, if omitted, just look like the follwing: | 17:55 |
jstraw | and... I bet you that the actual default is ISO standard | 17:56 |
dwelsh | 988734,David,Welsh,7-12-1962,,,101383749 | 17:56 |
jstraw | but the display standard is MM-DD-YY | 17:56 |
ignas | jstraw: they are going to be creating CSV's | 17:56 |
jstraw | ignas: from xls more then likely | 17:56 |
ignas | yeah | 17:56 |
ignas | that's true | 17:56 |
jstraw | so let xls deal with the date issues | 17:57 |
dwelsh | so the field in an Excel spreadsheet will just be blank | 17:57 |
dwelsh | and the importer will allow for that on the optional fields | 17:57 |
jstraw | a blank string is a blank string | 17:57 |
yvl | dwelsh, you missed one comma: 988734,David,Welsh,7-12-1962,,,,101383749 | 17:58 |
yvl | but in general, it's correct | 17:58 |
dwelsh | gotcha | 17:58 |
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yvl | ok guys | 18:00 |
yvl | gotta go :) | 18:00 |
jstraw | enjoy your evening | 18:00 |
jstraw | happy 6pm? ;) | 18:00 |
yvl | yes, thanks :) | 18:00 |
yvl | email me if anything | 18:00 |
yvl | productive day to you all ;) | 18:00 |
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