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petera | can anyone help with importing sections please | 11:08 |
petera | I'm still just trying schooltool out, but cannot import csv section data | 11:09 |
petera | Trying several combinations, I always get "The first row must contain the timetable schema id" | 11:10 |
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th1a | Good morning gentlemen. | 16:30 |
th1a | That is, aelkner, jelkner, ignas, yvl. | 16:31 |
aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
th1a | aelkner: Did you see your brother's bug last night? | 16:33 |
aelkner | i didn't look at it yet, but he mentioned it to me on the phone | 16:33 |
aelkner | it's a schooltool.gradebook thing | 16:33 |
ignas | th1a: hi | 16:33 |
th1a | hi ignas. | 16:34 |
yvl | hi th1a | 16:34 |
th1a | hi yvl. | 16:34 |
th1a | aelkner: Can you push that to the top of your queue? | 16:34 |
aelkner | well, at the moment, jelkner's cando instance uses the egg for schooltool.gradebook | 16:35 |
aelkner | and i'm not inm control of that egg | 16:35 |
jelkner | good morning all | 16:35 |
* jelkner waits to see who is responsible for this | 16:36 | |
th1a | Well, how about if you fix the bug aelkner and we'll get the egg patched one way or another. | 16:36 |
th1a | But this should all be in bzr so I don't understand what the problem might be. | 16:36 |
aelkner | i just need to know what branch of schooltool.gradebook to work on | 16:37 |
* th1a sighs. | 16:37 | |
ignas | if it's schooltool trunk | 16:37 |
ignas | then it's gradebook trunk | 16:37 |
ignas | if it's schooltool 2008.10 then it's gradebook 0.3 | 16:38 |
* jelkner laughs (we elkners can be *so* slow ;-) | 16:38 | |
aelkner | myu sandboxes are hooked up to use the aelkner branch of schooltool.gradebook | 16:38 |
ignas | well - merge trunk to it, and you should be fine i'd guess | 16:38 |
aelkner | ignas, you've always merged to trunk when you were ready to release the egg | 16:39 |
th1a | Just make sure you write tests that identify the problem before you fix it. | 16:40 |
ignas | aelkner: yes | 16:40 |
th1a | jelkner: I assume you need this yesterday? | 16:40 |
aelkner | ok, so i'll fix the aelkner schooltool.gradebook and write tests to identify the problem | 16:40 |
aelkner | and let ignas know as soon as it's ready | 16:41 |
aelkner | so he can merge to trunk to make the egg get built | 16:41 |
th1a | OK, then after that working on the stuff you discussed with SLA last week? | 16:41 |
aelkner | well, wait a sec here | 16:42 |
aelkner | i have tghe project of getting cando to work with school years | 16:42 |
aelkner | that has two phases | 16:42 |
th1a | Right. | 16:42 |
aelkner | 1) get existing instance to work | 16:42 |
aelkner | 2) eventually redesign ui to be year and term-centric | 16:42 |
aelkner | step 1) i estimate to take a couple of days | 16:43 |
th1a | Phase 2 is sometime in the distant future. | 16:43 |
aelkner | right | 16:43 |
aelkner | i'd want to sit down with dwelsh to discuss the ui | 16:43 |
aelkner | maybe later in this month | 16:43 |
th1a | I don't think it really has to change much anyhow. | 16:43 |
aelkner | well, for now | 16:43 |
aelkner | if we can allow the assumption | 16:44 |
jelkner | question: only 1 is needed for replacefill's integration code to work, yes? | 16:44 |
th1a | Should be. | 16:44 |
aelkner | yes | 16:44 |
jelkner | cool | 16:44 |
aelkner | the assumptions is as follows: | 16:44 |
aelkner | at any given time, the user will see data for the "current" school year and term | 16:45 |
aelkner | which will be caluclated on the fly | 16:45 |
aelkner | from the current date and time | 16:45 |
aelkner | ignas and i discussed this some last wednesday | 16:45 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:46 |
aelkner | but i need to ask about some details | 16:46 |
aelkner | if nwo is ok? | 16:46 |
aelkner | now | 16:46 |
th1a | Sure. | 16:46 |
aelkner | so, i know that this could (and maybe should?) go in schooltool eventually | 16:46 |
aelkner | but i'd like to put the following logic into cando just for now | 16:47 |
aelkner | so that i can get it to work without any need to wait for eggs, etc. | 16:47 |
aelkner | i intend to replace all such code segments: | 16:47 |
aelkner | app = ISchoolToolApplication(None) | 16:47 |
aelkner | sections = app['sections'] | 16:47 |
aelkner | with: | 16:47 |
aelkner | term = ICurrentTerm(None) | 16:47 |
aelkner | sections = term['sections'] | 16:47 |
aelkner | also, for courses, i will use the other adapter: | 16:47 |
aelkner | year = ICurrentSchoolYear(None) | 16:47 |
aelkner | courses = year['courses'] | 16:47 |
aelkner | that assumes: | 16:47 |
aelkner | def ICurrentSchoolYear(ISchoolYear): | 16:48 |
aelkner | """Special interface for getting the current school year""" | 16:48 |
aelkner | def ICurrentTerm(ITerm): | 16:48 |
aelkner | """Special interface for getting the current term""" | 16:48 |
ignas | emm | 16:48 |
aelkner | and that i write the adapters | 16:48 |
ignas | not that way | 16:48 |
ignas | current school year | 16:48 |
ignas | is already there | 16:48 |
ignas | ISchoolYearContainer has it | 16:48 |
ignas | CurrentTerm should be in there as well | 16:48 |
ignas | so just write the function that does what you need | 16:49 |
ignas | and i'll merge it | 16:49 |
aelkner | i looked and could'nt find any such thing | 16:49 |
aelkner | in the egg at least | 16:49 |
ignas | look at ISchoolYearContainer | 16:49 |
ignas | getActiveSchoolYear | 16:49 |
aelkner | well, after the meeting, you could show me what i'm missing | 16:49 |
aelkner | but that's the basic idea | 16:50 |
aelkner | because there is a lot of places in cando | 16:50 |
aelkner | that need to get the sections container | 16:50 |
aelkner | even if that's not the best way to get teacher's or student's sections | 16:50 |
aelkner | that's the way it's coded in many places | 16:51 |
aelkner | so better to change the way of getting the sections container | 16:51 |
aelkner | and the rest of the code should work | 16:51 |
ignas | well | 16:51 |
ignas | you should know that the way cando uses to get all the sections | 16:52 |
ignas | for students and teachers | 16:52 |
ignas | can cause insane slowdowns | 16:52 |
aelkner | how so? | 16:52 |
ignas | well | 16:52 |
ignas | if you have a teacher teaching 20 sections | 16:52 |
ignas | and have 100 teachers | 16:52 |
ignas | so in IInstructor(person).sections() | 16:52 |
ignas | you get 20 objects | 16:53 |
ignas | in the cando case | 16:53 |
ignas | you get 2000 sections, and then filter out the 20 sections you need | 16:53 |
aelkner | like i said, i realize that the method is not optimal | 16:53 |
aelkner | but i'm not worried about the user noticing the difference | 16:54 |
aelkner | for now, it would be the most practical step | 16:54 |
aelkner | to get the existing code to behave with the new location of the containers | 16:54 |
ignas | so just add a function getCurrentTerm() | 16:54 |
ignas | either to the school year container | 16:54 |
ignas | or to cando | 16:54 |
ignas | and use that function | 16:55 |
th1a | Add it to SchoolTool. | 16:55 |
ignas | to SchoolYearContainer | 16:55 |
aelkner | th1a: i refer you to my point about not wanting to wait for merges and eggs | 16:55 |
ignas | so ISchoolYearContainer(app).getCurrentTerm() | 16:55 |
th1a | aelkner: You're going to have to suck it up. | 16:55 |
aelkner | ignas already agreed to merge to schooltool after i have it ready | 16:56 |
aelkner | th1a: he's the gatekeeper | 16:56 |
ignas | aelkner: you will spend like 2-3 hours adding it and i'll spend like 5 minutes merging it | 16:56 |
aelkner | right, so i'll add it to cando | 16:56 |
ignas | I thought we said - add it to school tool... | 16:57 |
th1a | Add it to SchoolTool. | 16:57 |
ignas | aelkner: but well - your choice, though I know how annoyed you are when you must change your code after I put such things in school tool | 16:57 |
ignas | because you will have to change cando code as soon as I'll copy paste your function into school tool trunk | 16:58 |
aelkner | ignas: i wouldn't be annoyed at something that i would expect :) | 16:58 |
aelkner | we can discuss those details after the meeting as well... | 16:58 |
th1a | OK. | 16:59 |
th1a | Anything else aelkner? | 16:59 |
aelkner | i didn't hear from chris alfano this weekend | 16:59 |
aelkner | so i'll call him today | 16:59 |
th1a | OK. | 16:59 |
aelkner | that's all for me | 16:59 |
th1a | Thanks. | 17:00 |
aelkner | oh, wait | 17:00 |
th1a | Keep me updated on how things are going this week. | 17:00 |
aelkner | i worked with jelkner this weekend | 17:00 |
aelkner | to get his cando at least working schooltool-wise | 17:00 |
aelkner | he had a problem adding students to the persons container | 17:00 |
aelkner | and it exposed a bug in schooltool | 17:01 |
ignas | ? | 17:01 |
aelkner | schooltool/basicperson/browser/person.py (165) | 17:01 |
aelkner | the lookup for the groups is wrond there | 17:01 |
th1a | Meaning? | 17:01 |
ignas | nope, that was fixed a while ago | 17:01 |
aelkner | i was able to help jelkner by directing him to avoid | 17:01 |
ignas | oh | 17:01 |
ignas | or you mean - it does not work | 17:01 |
ignas | without any school years | 17:02 |
aelkner | specifying the group when adding the student | 17:02 |
aelkner | and using the edit groups later | 17:02 |
jelkner | i have to go to class | 17:02 |
ignas | in that case - yeah, I should add error handling | 17:02 |
jelkner | does anyone need anything from me before i leave? | 17:02 |
aelkner | yeah, it crahses there | 17:02 |
ignas | aelkner: there was a bug, but it got fixed like a week ago | 17:02 |
ignas | so - bin/buildout -n should have fixed it | 17:02 |
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aelkner | i can try that | 17:03 |
aelkner | so that's it for me | 17:03 |
th1a | Thanks. | 17:03 |
th1a | ignas? | 17:03 |
ignas | th1a: sadly, not much to report | 17:04 |
ignas | I have terms and school years importing | 17:04 |
ignas | at the moment | 17:04 |
ignas | but that's it, I spent most of the time | 17:04 |
ignas | trying to shoot too many hares in one shot | 17:04 |
ignas | (write it so it would handle errors, be very easy to test and work) | 17:05 |
ignas | so I had to shelve some code | 17:05 |
th1a | Ah. | 17:05 |
ignas | and just do the "work" part first | 17:05 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:05 |
ignas | then I can add the rest of the stuff and make it with flowers and unicorns | 17:05 |
th1a | I would imagine there is a nearly infinite regress of error handling possibilities. | 17:05 |
* th1a has seen the errors teachers introduce into his lovely spreadsheets. | 17:06 | |
ignas | :) | 17:06 |
ignas | so that's pretty much it | 17:06 |
th1a | OK. What's the eta for something we can push out in another "beta" release? | 17:07 |
ignas | working on persons/groups/courses now | 17:07 |
th1a | Soon is good. | 17:07 |
ignas | hmm, if I won't have everything importing on Wednesday - yell! ;) | 17:07 |
ignas | so by friday it should be in deployable state | 17:07 |
ignas | without much error handling, but good enough | 17:07 |
ignas | to give people sample data | 17:07 |
th1a | Good. | 17:08 |
ignas | as long as they use our file | 17:08 |
th1a | Of course. | 17:08 |
th1a | yvl: How does your schedule look this week? | 17:08 |
yvl | well, I've assigned all my time to SchoolTool this week | 17:09 |
yvl | so the plan is to go through SLA's high priority requests | 17:09 |
yvl | then addres the new stuff from Christoper (on email, 11-28) | 17:09 |
yvl | if there's still spare time - go trhough Jeff's CanDo bugs | 17:10 |
yvl | gradebook, as far as I remember | 17:10 |
th1a | OK. Make sure aelkner and I know when you start in on the new stuff so you don't do the same things. | 17:10 |
aelkner | yvl: i should be doing cando stuff | 17:10 |
aelkner | and for the sla stuff, i could be a guide | 17:11 |
th1a | Which bugs are we talking about? | 17:11 |
aelkner | yeah | 17:11 |
yvl | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/298673 | 17:11 |
yvl | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/298671 | 17:11 |
aelkner | the first one can wait for now i would say | 17:12 |
th1a | Huh? | 17:12 |
aelkner | i mean, it's not urgent or anything | 17:12 |
aelkner | the second one, too | 17:12 |
yvl | hmm, okay | 17:12 |
th1a | No, fix them. | 17:13 |
aelkner | aren't the sla fixes more pressinf | 17:13 |
aelkner | pressing | 17:13 |
th1a | No. | 17:13 |
aelkner | th1a: please try to isolate who's working on what | 17:13 |
th1a | We decided last week yvl was going to fix these gradebook bugs. | 17:13 |
aelkner | if you have yvl working on cando, then i have to worry about what he's doing there | 17:13 |
aelkner | while i'm doing other stuff | 17:13 |
th1a | I don't have yvl working on CanDo. | 17:14 |
yvl | th1a, should these fixes be a priority over SLAs narrative report grouping requests? | 17:14 |
aelkner | i thought that's what you meant | 17:14 |
th1a | Go ahead and fix the gradebook ui bugs we discussed last week. | 17:14 |
aelkner | ok, fine, i'll deal with it when the time comes | 17:14 |
aelkner | yvl, what branch would you do it in? | 17:14 |
yvl | good question | 17:15 |
aelkner | i'd prefer that you don;'t use the live branch | 17:15 |
aelkner | refactoring-6 | 17:15 |
aelkner | that one is tied to any live bug fixes i need to make on an emergency basis for dwelsh | 17:15 |
th1a | These are SchoolTool gradebook bugs, correct? | 17:15 |
yvl | wait... that branch is for CanDo only? | 17:15 |
yvl | and gradebook is a completely separate thing | 17:16 |
aelkner | cando has a gradebook | 17:16 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:16 |
aelkner | and jelkner's buf is regarding that | 17:16 |
aelkner | bug | 17:16 |
th1a | That's not what we're talking about. | 17:16 |
aelkner | so hwo about yvl works in the new branch that i'm working in | 17:16 |
th1a | aelkner is smoking crack. | 17:17 |
aelkner | the one jstraw made for cando with school years | 17:17 |
th1a | These are gradebook bugs. | 17:17 |
th1a | SchoolTool gradebook. | 17:17 |
aelkner | if i am, i need a refund from my crack dealer | 17:17 |
th1a | Look at the screenshots. | 17:17 |
aelkner | ok, fair enough | 17:17 |
th1a | Also, let's review the basic bzr workflow. | 17:18 |
yvl | I'm just wondering which gradebook branch Jeff is currently using | 17:18 |
th1a | Ah, that's always a good question. | 17:18 |
th1a | I think it is trunk. | 17:18 |
aelkner | jelkner's using eggs | 17:18 |
aelkner | for schooltool and schooltool.gradebook | 17:18 |
th1a | by good, I mean "hopeless." | 17:18 |
aelkner | so if yvl fixes the trunk, then that'll work | 17:18 |
ignas | yvl: trunk | 17:19 |
yvl | got it | 17:19 |
th1a | Right, so the normal workflow is yvl branches trunk, fixes the bugs, ignas merges the branch. | 17:19 |
yvl | right | 17:19 |
ignas | yep | 17:19 |
th1a | Beautiful. | 17:20 |
ignas | well - preferably yvl branches the split between trunk and release | 17:20 |
ignas | so I could release it to ubuntu as well | 17:20 |
th1a | between? | 17:20 |
aelkner | and i'll work on the aelkner branch for my own sandbox sanity | 17:20 |
ignas | just before I branched the release | 17:20 |
ignas | from trunk | 17:20 |
ignas | th1a, yvl: otoh - trunk will be fine | 17:21 |
th1a | OK. | 17:21 |
ignas | yeah, keep it simple, go trunk ;) | 17:21 |
th1a | Please. | 17:21 |
th1a | I'll make LP bugs for the SLA bugs so they can be assigned sanely. | 17:22 |
yvl | I have a "small" TODO list which I can send you :) | 17:22 |
th1a | OK. finally... | 17:22 |
yvl | with some questions... | 17:22 |
th1a | Or you can file bugs yourself ;-) | 17:22 |
th1a | I've sent Mark an email each of the past two weeks about next year. Haven't heard back yet. | 17:23 |
yvl | under which project? | 17:23 |
yvl | (sorry for interruption) | 17:23 |
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th1a | Whichever applies. | 17:23 |
yvl | ok | 17:23 |
th1a | I'll escalate to his assistant today; that usually works. | 17:24 |
th1a | So... I'm working on it. | 17:24 |
th1a | Any last words? | 17:25 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:25 | |
th1a | Have a great week! | 17:25 |
yvl | you too | 17:26 |
aelkner | thanks, you too | 17:26 |
ignas | you too | 17:26 |
aelkner | ignas: doing bin/buildout -n does not get me any newer schooltool egg than what i have | 17:27 |
ignas | and what egg do you have? | 17:27 |
aelkner | schooltool-2009.04.0dev_r2449-py2.4.egg | 17:27 |
ignas | the newest is 2450 | 17:28 |
ignas | let me see | 17:28 |
ignas | i guess it's related to the setuptools problem | 17:28 |
aelkner | i changed my version as you suggestss to 6.9 | 17:28 |
aelkner | which fixed the crash problem | 17:29 |
aelkner | so i don't need to rename .svn | 17:29 |
ignas | your version - yes | 17:29 |
aelkner | but does it not get the latest now? | 17:29 |
ignas | it's not on your side | 17:29 |
aelkner | oh | 17:29 |
ignas | it might be on buildbot side | 17:29 |
aelkner | i see | 17:29 |
ignas | anyway | 17:29 |
ignas | bin/buildout -n now | 17:29 |
aelkner | getting new schooltool... | 17:30 |
aelkner | schooltool-2009.04.0dev_r2450-py2.4.egg :) | 17:30 |
aelkner | ignas: can we discuss the current term and year strategy a moment? | 17:31 |
ignas | ok | 17:31 |
aelkner | so to get the current school year, i need | 17:32 |
aelkner | year = ISchooltoolApllication(None)['schoolyears'].getActiveSchoolYear() | 17:32 |
aelkner | right so far? | 17:33 |
ignas | nope | 17:33 |
aelkner | i'm just going by what you said | 17:33 |
ignas | ISchoolYearContainer(ISchoolToolApplication(None)).getActiveSchoolYear() | 17:33 |
aelkner | oh | 17:33 |
aelkner | fine, even better | 17:33 |
aelkner | next | 17:33 |
ignas | or just plain ISchoolYear(ISchoolToolApplication(None)) | 17:33 |
ignas | should work | 17:33 |
aelkner | i should write in cando for now (which you will merge into schooltool later) | 17:34 |
aelkner | getCurrentTerm() | 17:34 |
aelkner | that will get the current school year usign above method | 17:34 |
aelkner | and then find the current term within it | 17:34 |
ignas | kind of, yes | 17:35 |
ignas | the rules are something like | 17:35 |
ignas | if date is before school year | 17:35 |
ignas | return the first term | 17:35 |
ignas | if after - the last term | 17:35 |
ignas | if in between 2 terms in this school year | 17:35 |
ignas | return the first term before the date | 17:35 |
aelkner | don't you mean the "latest" term that falls before the date | 17:36 |
ignas | well last in the set of terms | 17:36 |
ignas | or first counting backward from this date | 17:36 |
aelkner | ok, we're on the same page | 17:36 |
aelkner | if there's nothing before, then the first one after the date | 17:36 |
aelkner | meaning pointing to the future | 17:37 |
aelkner | right?> | 17:37 |
ignas | yeah | 17:37 |
ignas | the important thing is - current or should it be "active" term should be from the active school year | 17:37 |
ignas | for terms by date we will add a function that retrieves a term by date | 17:38 |
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ignas | and call it something else, like getTermByDate instead of getCurrentTerm | 17:38 |
ignas | you get today by using the DateManager utility by the way | 17:38 |
aelkner | yes, i will always use the active school year to find the current term | 17:38 |
aelkner | DateManager utility? | 17:38 |
ignas | queryUtility(IDateManager).today | 17:39 |
aelkner | ok | 17:39 |
ignas | it has a current_term method, but it's not really good, and should not be used | 17:39 |
ignas | it's there for backwards compatibility mostly | 17:39 |
ignas | as it ignores active school year setting | 17:39 |
aelkner | i'll carefully avoid it :) | 17:39 |
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mattva01 | aelkner,you there? | 21:14 |
aelkner | mattva01: i tried to call you today | 21:15 |
mattva01 | yeah, I actually went to school today | 21:16 |
mattva01 | still feeling bad, but didnt want to make up work | 21:16 |
mattva01 | so the passwords don't work? | 21:17 |
aelkner | ok, well i'm having problems that are weird with jelkner's cando instance | 21:17 |
aelkner | i copied the Data.fs file to my machine, and it doesn't accpet the same passwords | 21:17 |
mattva01 | hmm | 21:17 |
aelkner | also, i don't see how schooltool.gradebook ever gets included in that instance | 21:17 |
aelkner | it's not in the school.,zcml file | 21:17 |
aelkner | and there are no plugins | 21:18 |
mattva01 | wait, which one are you looking at? | 21:18 |
aelkner | so why does jelkner get the Gradebook tab? | 21:18 |
aelkner | the one we discussed this weekend | 21:18 |
mattva01 | ok let me verify something | 21:18 |
aelkner | cando@aps-cando | 21:18 |
mattva01 | oh, did he tell you the gradebook.apsweb.org? | 21:19 |
mattva01 | oops | 21:19 |
aelkner | ssh cando@acc.candoskills.org | 21:19 |
aelkner | that's how i get to the server | 21:19 |
mattva01 | ah thats not the right one | 21:19 |
mattva01 | they are basically identical though | 21:20 |
mattva01 | its cando@gradebook.apsweb.org | 21:20 |
aelkner | ah, i see | 21:20 |
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mattva01 | the other one is the official flagship cando , so I should probably change that password :) | 21:20 |
aelkner | i'm confusing the one that welsh uses | 21:20 |
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mattva01 | yeah | 21:21 |
aelkner | so i need the password for cando@gradebook.apsweb.org | 21:22 |
mattva01 | its the same :) | 21:22 |
aelkner | the same as what? | 21:22 |
aelkner | could you email it to my gmail account? | 21:23 |
mattva01 | hmm | 21:23 |
aelkner | mattva01: ? | 21:26 |
mattva01 | the normal pass is not working for some reason, give me a sec | 21:26 |
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mattva01 | ah I disabled ssh for the cando user | 21:27 |
mattva01 | ok fixed | 21:28 |
mattva01 | cando@gradebook.apsweb.org | 21:28 |
mattva01 | its the zsxd..... and so on pass | 21:28 |
aelkner | got it | 21:28 |
mattva01 | oops | 21:28 |
mattva01 | this is irc :) | 21:28 |
aelkner | yep, with logs and all | 21:28 |
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mattva01 | I'm gonna change it right now and email it to you :) | 21:29 |
aelkner | ok | 21:29 |
mattva01 | sent | 21:32 |
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aelkner | mattva01: i got in, thanks | 21:37 |
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