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| ignas | th1a: hi | 16:24 |
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| th1a | hi ignas. | 16:24 |
| aelkner | hi all | 16:27 |
| th1a | Hi aelkner. | 16:27 |
| th1a | hi jstraw. | 16:30 |
| jstraw | hi | 16:30 |
| th1a | aelkner: Would you like to start us off. | 16:31 |
| th1a | ? | 16:31 |
| aelkner | sorry, jelkner's pinging mw | 16:31 |
| * th1a is incredibly sleepy since getting back from Indianapolis. | 16:31 | |
| aelkner | me | 16:31 |
| th1a | OK... ignas? | 16:31 |
| aelkner | so i got the gradebook to be a spreadsheet this week | 16:32 |
| th1a | er. | 16:32 |
| th1a | go ahead aelkner. | 16:32 |
| aelkner | i'll ignore jelkner | 16:32 |
| aelkner | so, today, i'll send a note to SLA folks | 16:32 |
| aelkner | telling them that tonight, I'll be patching the SLA instance to have those activities | 16:32 |
| aelkner | and then they will be able to look it over tomorrow with the new gradebook spreadsheet | 16:33 |
| aelkner | also, i'll ask them to meet with me this week to plan the CAS install | 16:33 |
| aelkner | so, all that is left is the CAS install and Justus' narrative report card | 16:34 |
| aelkner | i'll need to deliver that to them when it's ready | 16:34 |
| th1a | Can't you just show it to them on a test server first? | 16:34 |
| aelkner | show which thing? | 16:34 |
| th1a | The gradebook? | 16:34 |
| aelkner | i did that last week | 16:35 |
| aelkner | that yielded this week's work on the gradebook | 16:35 |
| aelkner | i don't why i need to show them something that i can just deliver to them | 16:35 |
| aelkner | to use now | 16:35 |
| aelkner | ? | 16:36 |
| th1a | Well, if you deploy it before showing it to them you may have to make more changes and touch the production server more times. It may not make a difference either way. | 16:37 |
| aelkner | at this point, they liked the activities that i created for them | 16:37 |
| th1a | OK. Use your judgement. | 16:37 |
| aelkner | and the gradebook now has the spreadsheet that they would probably find absolutely essential | 16:37 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | ok, so i'll send them the note i described | 16:38 |
| aelkner | and hopefully meet with them this week to push CAS deployment | 16:38 |
| th1a | Sounds good. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | that's all i have until the subject of cando comes up | 16:38 |
| th1a | Will we be discussing CanDo? | 16:39 |
| aelkner | aren't we supposed to be switching me to 20 hours cando/week? | 16:40 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:40 |
| ignas | th1a: well, I can relay you what Justas told me this morning... | 16:40 |
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| th1a | Go ahead ignas. | 16:40 |
| aelkner | dwelsh: good timing | 16:40 |
| th1a | hi dwelsh. | 16:40 |
| dwelsh | good morning. | 16:40 |
| ignas | so - Justas is on a vacation, which is why he's not here at the moment, he told me that he has a commit that fixes most of the failures pending | 16:41 |
| ignas | and he'll need to fix some messaging stuff and remove some obsolete modules | 16:41 |
| ignas | which should take around 4-5 hours in total | 16:41 |
| ignas | though he can't say for sure whether he will do it Tuesday or Thursaday | 16:41 |
| ignas | other than that - he deemde the codebase safe | 16:42 |
| ignas | *deemed | 16:42 |
| jstraw | lol... | 16:42 |
| ignas | and said that Alan can work on it even if not all the tests are passing | 16:42 |
| aelkner | sure i could, but that wasn't the hope | 16:42 |
| aelkner | it's hard to know if you break something without tests passing | 16:43 |
| ignas | well - it seems that the failures are pretty isolated now | 16:43 |
| aelkner | that's good | 16:43 |
| ignas | and zope3 has not "expected failure" marker for tests :/ | 16:43 |
| aelkner | i might be able to recognize when i introduce a failure of my own | 16:43 |
| aelkner | if the existing failures are ilolated | 16:43 |
| ignas | zope3 test runner that is | 16:43 |
| ignas | i'll ask mgedmin to implement one ;) or tell me that I am wrong, and that Zope3 has an expected test failure marker ;) | 16:44 |
| aelkner | i could start doing 20 hours cando this week | 16:44 |
| aelkner | i don't need 'expected failures' | 16:44 |
| aelkner | i can just get used to them for now | 16:44 |
| aelkner | Justus will be able to fix them this week, so... | 16:45 |
| ignas | well - you it would help you to tell apart your own test failures from the ones that Justas has left... | 16:45 |
| th1a | aelkner: Do you know what you would do on CanDo? | 16:45 |
| aelkner | whatever jelkner and dwelsh ask me to do | 16:45 |
| aelkner | i don't know what that is yet | 16:45 |
| dwelsh | all initial user stories are entered in launchpad | 16:45 |
| dwelsh | just read launchpad | 16:45 |
| aelkner | that's fine | 16:45 |
| dwelsh | there are 11 bugs waiting | 16:45 |
| dwelsh | the new minor stuff is reports | 16:45 |
| dwelsh | I can spec those with you quickly during our planned "walk-thru" | 16:46 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:46 |
| aelkner | so th1a, is it official? | 16:46 |
| th1a | As official as anything in SchoolTool. | 16:47 |
| aelkner | :) | 16:47 |
| dwelsh | :) | 16:47 |
| dwelsh | ! | 16:47 |
| dwelsh | !!! | 16:47 |
| povbot | dwelsh: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 16:47 |
| aelkner | it think SLA will be slow enough | 16:47 |
| aelkner | that i could use the work on cando | 16:47 |
| aelkner | dwelsh: we'll talk after the meeting | 16:47 |
| aelkner | that's all i got for now | 16:47 |
| dwelsh | great. have been waiting for it. | 16:48 |
| ignas | ok, as for my tasks | 16:49 |
| ignas | well - School Timetables are in schoolyears | 16:49 |
| ignas | and i am working on the Active -> Next school year workflow | 16:49 |
| ignas | at the moment the most simple and working way of handling I could come up with | 16:49 |
| ignas | (with help from fellow PoV programmers) | 16:49 |
| ignas | is: | 16:49 |
| ignas | When you create the first school year it is marked as active | 16:50 |
| ignas | next schoolyear always is the schoolyear that goes after the active school year | 16:50 |
| ignas | you can only switch from Active to Next schoolyears | 16:50 |
| ignas | you can't delete an active schoolyear unless it is the last school year in the database | 16:50 |
| ignas | so either there are no schoolyears, or there is at least one active school year | 16:51 |
| ignas | this should work at least for a while | 16:51 |
| ignas | then we will see where and what kinds of problems users are having | 16:51 |
| th1a | That sounds good. | 16:51 |
| th1a | It is mostly a matter of keeping users from breaking it. | 16:52 |
| ignas | yeah, and not confusing them to death | 16:52 |
| th1a | I mean, the weird use cases -- skipping over a year, for example -- seem pretty weird. | 16:53 |
| ignas | which is why I am leaving them for later, if we will have users complaining - we will think about it... | 16:53 |
| ignas | but at the moment - let's keep it simple | 16:53 |
| ignas | and One button | 16:53 |
| ignas | is as simple as it get's | 16:53 |
| th1a | Years generally flow in sequence, in one direction. | 16:53 |
| th1a | It is the nature of the universe. | 16:54 |
| ignas | th1a: you should read some stuff about quantum mechanics ;) | 16:54 |
| th1a | There is that. | 16:54 |
| th1a | SchoolTool won't handle quantum effects until 1.2. | 16:55 |
| ignas | other than that - i have fixed the buglet that jelkner found in person list view | 16:55 |
| ignas | not sure if it already got deployed to the instance he is running though | 16:55 |
| th1a | The hard part is writing the quantum tests. | 16:55 |
| ignas | that's kind of everything | 16:56 |
| th1a | OK. I don't have much to add... | 16:57 |
| th1a | ... the CEO of one of the big Moodle hosts told me he thought the demand for a good open source SIS is high. | 16:58 |
| ignas | :) | 16:59 |
| th1a | Had a good visit with Chris at the conference. | 16:59 |
| aelkner | do tell | 16:59 |
| jelkner | yes, please! | 17:00 |
| th1a | Nothing really specific to report -- he feels like we've got our roles worked out better in working with SLA. | 17:00 |
| jelkner | and tell me more about the SIS interest | 17:00 |
| th1a | Nothing really specific there either jelkner. Just a conversation. | 17:01 |
| th1a | jelkner: Are you still doing XO stuff? | 17:01 |
| jelkner | so how do conversations become plans? | 17:01 |
| jelkner | th1a: absolutely! | 17:01 |
| th1a | I ended up sharing a flight and 3 hour layover with Walter Bender. | 17:01 |
| jelkner | we have our OLPC Learners Club | 17:02 |
| jelkner | meets monthly | 17:02 |
| th1a | So Chris is going to try and get some XO stuff going in conjunction with the IMSA guys. | 17:02 |
| jelkner | organized by Mike Lee from AARP, Michael Connet from Nortel, Kevin Cole and me | 17:02 |
| th1a | So I was wondering about bringing some kids up to Educon. | 17:03 |
| jelkner | (see, aelkner, I used me ;-) | 17:03 |
| aelkner | good boy | 17:03 |
| jelkner | i was hoping to do that | 17:03 |
| jelkner | but it depends on what they have for us | 17:03 |
| jelkner | if we can sprint, great | 17:03 |
| jelkner | otherwise, what would they do? | 17:04 |
| th1a | Yes, some kind of sprint. | 17:04 |
| jelkner | cool | 17:04 |
| jelkner | i thought that was our plan | 17:04 |
| jelkner | you were going to talk to chris about it | 17:04 |
| th1a | That's what I'm saying. | 17:04 |
| jelkner | cool | 17:04 |
| th1a | I talked to Chris about it. | 17:05 |
| jelkner | what did he say? | 17:05 |
| th1a | Everyone seems to think it is a good idea in principle. | 17:05 |
| th1a | I guess you should talk to him. | 17:05 |
| jelkner | let's discuss this at the ACC sprint | 17:05 |
| jelkner | and then i'd be glad to help organize it | 17:06 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:06 |
| jelkner | i think we should do it like we did in NH | 17:07 |
| jelkner | we have a quick meeting in the beginning with all the educators | 17:07 |
| jelkner | gather some user stories from them | 17:07 |
| jelkner | hack | 17:07 |
| th1a | Are we talking about SchoolTool or the XO. | 17:07 |
| th1a | ? | 17:07 |
| jelkner | ahh | 17:07 |
| jelkner | either one | 17:08 |
| jelkner | in either case | 17:08 |
| jelkner | we want to involve other folks from the conference in what we are doing | 17:08 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:08 |
| jelkner | that's why we want to be there, no? | 17:08 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:08 |
| jelkner | cool | 17:08 |
| ignas | jelkner: do you have a writeable version of http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgv2st82_107cwcwftff ? | 17:08 |
| jelkner | we can talk more in Arlington on the 11th | 17:08 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:09 |
| jelkner | ignas: i'll make one | 17:09 |
| jstraw | how much does schooltool want to comingle with the plone sprint? | 17:09 |
| jelkner | jstraw: not too much | 17:09 |
| jelkner | other than to let them know we are there | 17:09 |
| jstraw | I'm well and truly involved in the plone conference and sprint planning at this point | 17:09 |
| ignas | jelkner: I just want to have it modifiable to make a large todo list out of it, and attach comments | 17:09 |
| jelkner | and hopefully have someone come up and see us who is interested in SchoolTool | 17:09 |
| jelkner | ignas: cool! | 17:10 |
| jelkner | i'll get right on that | 17:10 |
| ignas | jelkner: a looong term to do list though ;) | 17:10 |
| jstraw | *thinks it might not be a bad idea to have schooltool's team say hi at the saturday morning meeting* | 17:10 |
| jelkner | jstraw: yes | 17:10 |
| jelkner | we will be sprinting in my room | 17:10 |
| jstraw | ok | 17:10 |
| ignas | but still, I would like to work on schooltool in such a way as not to *block* features present in that list | 17:10 |
| jstraw | *runs to fix computers* | 17:10 |
| jelkner | ignas: by "long term" i hope you mean in the next year or so | 17:11 |
| aelkner | th1a: i sent the note, i'l make the patch tonight | 17:11 |
| th1a | aelkner: OK. | 17:11 |
| jelkner | since if we are going to have a shot at interesting Arlington Public Schools in using the SchoolTool gradebook, we have about a year to show them something | 17:12 |
| ignas | jelkner: some features sooner some - in 2-3 years | 17:12 |
| ignas | depends on how aligned will they be with my short term objectives ;) | 17:12 |
| jelkner | if we can interest them, it will also depend on how badly they want stuff and how much they can afford to pay for it | 17:13 |
| jelkner | so i like your approach | 17:13 |
| th1a | OK. Anything else? | 17:16 |
| ignas | jelkner: is my assumption that if we get most of that list done we can take over the gradebook market in the US correct? | 17:16 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:16 |
| jelkner | they did a very good job of outlining what most teachers would want in a gradebook | 17:16 |
| th1a | One last thing... Plan for World Domination. | 17:16 |
| jelkner | ignas: which email should i use to share the doc with you? | 17:17 |
| ignas | ignas.mikalajunas@gmail.com | 17:17 |
| ignas | would be more convenient for google docs i think | 17:17 |
| jelkner | ignas: done. i just shared it with you, but you can share it with anyone else you like | 17:18 |
| ignas | jelkner: cool, thanks | 17:19 |
| th1a | That should pretty much wrap it up. | 17:20 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:20 | |
| th1a | Have a great week, gentlemen. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | you, too, thanks | 17:20 |
| ignas | th1a: oh, by the way - yesterday I have podded a noob! :) | 17:26 |
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| th1a | ignas: Congratulations. Are you in 0.0 now? | 18:00 |
| ignas | kind of, mostly | 18:00 |
| th1a | I'm heading back into Curse this week. | 18:01 |
| th1a | I can't really make money in 0.0 yet. | 18:01 |
| th1a | i.e., I need to get my ratting skills up. | 18:02 |
| ignas | well - the closes 0.0 point from the low sec that i am in is a war zone ;) | 18:03 |
| ignas | so no money for me either | 18:04 |
| th1a | I haven't been able to play much lately, so I haven't been accomplishing much. | 18:05 |
| jstraw | oO | 18:06 |
| th1a | The remnants of IAC are trying to move into the part of Curse U'K has been occupying, so I'm going to head in to try to help with that. | 18:06 |
| ignas | i see :) | 18:10 |
| ignas | th1a: our CEO stats - 441 kills, 8 losses, 55.13:1 ratio, 12.97 billion ISK inflicted in damage, and 557 points | 18:31 |
| th1a | 441 to 8? He must pick easy targets. | 18:41 |
| ignas | the FC is quite amazing from what I can tell | 18:46 |
| th1a | Hm. Interesting. | 18:50 |
| th1a | Is the CEO the FC? | 18:50 |
| ignas | no | 18:55 |
| ignas | FC is from a different corp, but they spent most of the "good times" together | 18:55 |
| ignas | th1a: and i guess maxed scanning skills help finding easy targets | 19:00 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:00 |
| th1a | I've considered working on scanning. | 19:00 |
| th1a | If scanning had a better UI I'd do more of it. | 19:00 |
| ignas | :) | 19:01 |
| jstraw | what game is this | 19:01 |
| th1a | It is pretty weird what intelligence and/or warnings you do and don't get. | 19:01 |
| th1a | EVE. | 19:01 |
| jstraw | ah | 19:01 |
| th1a | Like, you can't look out the window of a station to see if anyone is waiting to gank you. | 19:01 |
| th1a | But you everyone who is online anywhere in the system. | 19:02 |
| ignas | :) | 19:02 |
| ignas | "you feel disturbance in the force" style ;) | 19:02 |
| jstraw | lol | 19:02 |
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| th1a | aelkner: Did you see Chris's email about the errors? | 19:48 |
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| jstraw | aelkner: ayt? | 22:40 |
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