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ignas | aelkner: up already? | 14:39 |
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th1a | Hey. I'm on the phone with jelkner. | 16:30 |
ignas | HI | 16:30 |
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th1a | OK. | 16:32 |
th1a | Hi ignas, aelkner. | 16:32 |
Lumiere | hi | 16:33 |
jelkner | hi | 16:33 |
th1a | OK, looks like we've got a couple balls in the air this week. | 16:34 |
th1a | One thing I'm starting to worry about is giving the process of getting our packages into Ubuntu a kick. | 16:34 |
th1a | I need to talk to jinty about that. | 16:35 |
th1a | It would seem we have the hard part done -- making the packages -- but we still have the politics to deal with. | 16:36 |
th1a | ignas: How has your work been coming? | 16:36 |
Lumiere | I need jinty to document the package builder so cando can use it too | 16:36 |
aelkner | hi | 16:37 |
ignas | th1a: a bit slowly, spent some time helping mgedmin on Ivija (for all the time I am bugging him for help on complex schooltool issues) | 16:37 |
ignas | he helped me resolve the timetable mess in my head though | 16:37 |
th1a | ok | 16:37 |
ignas | had some problems with the mental picture | 16:37 |
ignas | apparently - everything is simple - timetable dict is a container with 2 keys | 16:38 |
ignas | 1 key is __name__ the other key is school timetable + term pair | 16:38 |
ignas | both keys can be queried by | 16:38 |
ignas | both keys are unique | 16:38 |
ignas | when I understood that - everything became clearer | 16:38 |
ignas | got a new revelation - "I still can't lead a spring and do good code reviews at the same time" | 16:39 |
ignas | the timetable weekly view (the one with timetable grid support) | 16:39 |
ignas | is a bit hazy, and is not tested well enough so I could change it in some places being sure I did not break anything | 16:39 |
ignas | but I have managed to rewrite the test to at least get an indication of what went wrong with one of my refactorings | 16:40 |
th1a | Considering you're mostly working with high school students, I think you've done a great job at the sprints. | 16:40 |
ignas | (a couple of events were missing in weekly view, just that it was not showing me which events in any readable format) | 16:41 |
ignas | but a couple of hacks and now I know which timetable got broken while fixing the "schedule" view for sections | 16:41 |
ignas | so I am back on track, and I hope I will have Schoolyears in place for our europython sprint | 16:42 |
ignas | so we could start discussing the new object hierarchy | 16:42 |
ignas | at least on a mockup level | 16:42 |
ignas | that's everything for this week | 16:43 |
th1a | Thanks. | 16:43 |
ignas | today is a holiday in Lithuania (and in theory ;) but I will not be online on friday | 16:43 |
th1a | OK. | 16:43 |
th1a | aelkner: Anything to add to your email report (you're sending a copy to ignas, right?) | 16:44 |
ignas | yes he is | 16:44 |
aelkner | from a mile view | 16:44 |
aelkner | i'm needing to accomplish three main things | 16:45 |
aelkner | by Aug 15 that is | 16:45 |
aelkner | cas, which needs only the patches to the live moodle and drupal instances | 16:45 |
aelkner | and coordination with the SLA fols, or course | 16:45 |
aelkner | 2) the dashboard | 16:45 |
aelkner | 3) the propgation of person, course, section creation | 16:46 |
aelkner | to moodle and drupal | 16:46 |
aelkner | so i think i should do the dashboard next (concurent with finishing cas) | 16:46 |
aelkner | so that at the sprint at europython | 16:46 |
aelkner | we can discuss the design of the propogation | 16:47 |
th1a | That will be an interesting conversation. | 16:47 |
aelkner | th1a: you realize that our findings on testbrowser lead us to need to do what i had wanted to do | 16:47 |
aelkner | in the first place, namely, writing to the SAL datbase directly | 16:47 |
th1a | The don't, really. | 16:48 |
aelkner | SAL | 16:48 |
aelkner | SQL | 16:48 |
th1a | Because you wouldn't be using TestBrowser anyhow. | 16:48 |
aelkner | darn Q is next to the A | 16:48 |
th1a | You'd be using Mechanize, or something. | 16:48 |
aelkner | you've done it before | 16:48 |
aelkner | successfully, i mean | 16:48 |
ignas | PoV have done it before at least once | 16:48 |
aelkner | examples available? | 16:49 |
aelkner | well, you can show me at europython | 16:50 |
aelkner | anyway | 16:50 |
aelkner | as you know,. cando is in a bit of a crisis | 16:50 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:50 |
ignas | I don't know | 16:50 |
aelkner | jelkner and i have been on the phone discussing what we can do | 16:50 |
aelkner | eldar has quit | 16:51 |
ignas | oh | 16:51 |
Lumiere | correction | 16:51 |
ignas | how? why? | 16:51 |
th1a | What branch has Eldar been working on. | 16:51 |
Lumiere | eldar has given his 2 weeks notice | 16:51 |
aelkner | he will not be at the sprint | 16:51 |
aelkner | he was still working on the svn repo | 16:51 |
th1a | ignas: We discussed this last week -- you emailed gintas? | 16:51 |
jelkner | correction: eldar did *not* give 2 weeks notice | 16:51 |
jelkner | he just left | 16:51 |
jelkner | i spoke to him yesterday | 16:51 |
th1a | 0 weeks notice. | 16:51 |
ignas | th1a: yes, but Gintas has no time too :/ | 16:51 |
jelkner | he is out of the picture | 16:51 |
aelkner | and in mid-feature | 16:52 |
ignas | aelkner: do you know the reason? | 16:52 |
aelkner | haven't spoken with him | 16:52 |
jelkner | ignas: he got another gig | 16:52 |
Lumiere | ugh | 16:52 |
jelkner | we can't really figure out the details | 16:52 |
Lumiere | jelkner: you need to contact dwelsh | 16:53 |
Lumiere | he *expects* eldar to be on still | 16:53 |
jelkner | Lumiere: how, he is in florida | 16:53 |
aelkner | cell phone? | 16:53 |
Lumiere | use cell | 16:53 |
jelkner | the most important thing now is to find someone to work on this | 16:53 |
Lumiere | he just called me on it | 16:53 |
aelkner | though i tried yesterday and he didn't answer | 16:53 |
jelkner | on th1a's advice, i've been spreading the word in the local plone community | 16:54 |
Lumiere | Files: | 16:54 |
Lumiere | * | 16:54 |
Lumiere | branches/cando-buildout-integration/src/cando/virginia/README.txt | 16:54 |
jelkner | today i planned to broadening my sweep | 16:54 |
Lumiere | sorry about that | 16:54 |
Lumiere | there's the branch | 16:54 |
jelkner | i'll be on the phone all morning trying to find someone | 16:54 |
jelkner | any help you all could give me would be *greatly* appreciated! | 16:55 |
jelkner | (by "help" i mean suggestions on where to look) | 16:55 |
aelkner | at the sprint | 16:56 |
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ignas | Lumiere: is everything in there? last commit is 12 days ago ... | 16:56 |
Lumiere | I assume it is | 16:56 |
aelkner | what's the comment for the commit? | 16:56 |
aelkner | you're looking at the svn rep, right? | 16:56 |
th1a | That's not good. | 16:56 |
Lumiere | Made global id optional again. Now if one is not provided, one will be generated | 16:56 |
aelkner | he never switched to bzr | 16:56 |
aelkner | yes | 16:56 |
ignas | aelkner: cando did not switch to bzr | 16:56 |
aelkner | i just said that, didn't i :) | 16:57 |
aelkner | so two things | 16:57 |
jelkner | ignas: we had scheduled that for this week | 16:57 |
aelkner | eldar not only didn't give two weeks notioce | 16:57 |
aelkner | nut he also gae us nothing in thelast 12 days | 16:57 |
aelkner | is that what we are to believe | 16:57 |
ignas | would not be so sure, ask him if he has any uncomited changes | 16:58 |
aelkner | jelkner? | 16:58 |
jelkner | i don't know if that will work | 16:58 |
jelkner | when i talked to him yesterday, we basically said good bye and good luck | 16:58 |
jelkner | we need to assume that we have to pick up the pieces with whatever we have now | 16:59 |
aelkner | so we will be aout three weeks behind when next week's sprint starts | 16:59 |
th1a | OK... how do I get his branch running? | 16:59 |
ignas | strange, because the last commit is not related to the requirements work that I think eldar mentioned he was working on | 16:59 |
aelkner | he did the global id thing cuase we needed it | 17:00 |
aelkner | then he was going to finish course and section competency assignment | 17:00 |
aelkner | then the skilldrivers | 17:00 |
aelkner | then the gradebook | 17:00 |
aelkner | we figured he would not be done the gradebook, so i would pair with him at the sprint | 17:01 |
ignas | I see | 17:01 |
aelkner | with the interns doing functional test writing | 17:01 |
aelkner | and in the process, better learning cando's codebase | 17:01 |
aelkner | in preparation for other ork | 17:01 |
aelkner | work | 17:01 |
aelkner | but that's our the door | 17:01 |
aelkner | i think maybe | 17:01 |
aelkner | we should pair the interns on skilldrivers | 17:01 |
aelkner | while i pair with someone | 17:02 |
aelkner | and finish the competency assignmentthing | 17:02 |
aelkner | and write the gradebook | 17:02 |
aelkner | all in three days! | 17:02 |
Lumiere | and without me for one of em | 17:02 |
Lumiere | probably 2 | 17:02 |
aelkner | explain please | 17:02 |
Lumiere | I have a conflict tuesday | 17:03 |
Lumiere | that I cannot change | 17:03 |
Lumiere | I am techical support for Virtual NECC at ACC | 17:03 |
Lumiere | Tuesday 7:30-5 | 17:03 |
aelkner | well, our hope to freeze by july 15 | 17:04 |
Lumiere | is looking unlikely | 17:04 |
aelkner | maybe should be pushed back to aug 1 | 17:04 |
Lumiere | I know | 17:04 |
Lumiere | no | 17:04 |
Lumiere | leave it the 15th | 17:04 |
Lumiere | if we blow it.. we blow it | 17:04 |
Lumiere | but I need *something* presentable then | 17:04 |
aelkner | you hope | 17:04 |
Lumiere | because training starts | 17:04 |
aelkner | i'm not promising anything | 17:05 |
Lumiere | I understand that | 17:05 |
aelkner | unless my involvement changes to being more than just three days | 17:05 |
aelkner | or a new developer is magically found | 17:05 |
Lumiere | aelkner: can you afford any more time and still make SLA deadlines? | 17:05 |
Lumiere | (and not die in the process) | 17:05 |
aelkner | well, i'll need to discuss this with th1a | 17:06 |
aelkner | and not right now | 17:06 |
Lumiere | i am not asking for commitment | 17:06 |
aelkner | we'll talk about this at the sprint | 17:06 |
aelkner | that's only a week from today | 17:06 |
th1a | We intentionally set conservative goals for SLA. | 17:06 |
Lumiere | ok | 17:06 |
aelkner | true | 17:06 |
th1a | If everything goes well, there will be extra time. | 17:06 |
th1a | However, since we set conservative goals, if we would miss them, we'd have very little to show for our effort. | 17:07 |
ignas | hmm, what are your plans for Philikon? i mean - you won't have anyone experienced available in there... | 17:07 |
Lumiere | th1a: yes | 17:08 |
Lumiere | for aelkner SLA has to take precedence, and I understand that | 17:08 |
Lumiere | but it's going to look really bad on both CanDo and SchoolTool to miss the VA deadlines too | 17:08 |
Lumiere | given that we're supposed to be heading into the statewide trial this fall | 17:08 |
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ignas | th1a: i'll explain it after the meeting | 17:10 |
th1a | Thanks. | 17:10 |
aelkner | i think we need to stick with the svn repo | 17:11 |
aelkner | rather than wasting the sprint dealing with converting to bzr | 17:11 |
aelkner | eldar was supposed to do that too | 17:11 |
ignas | I agree | 17:11 |
aelkner | so, i'll coordinate with dwelsh | 17:12 |
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aelkner | if i can reach him in florida | 17:12 |
aelkner | Lumiere: how long will he be there? | 17:12 |
Lumiere | till wednesday afternoon | 17:12 |
aelkner | ok, that' my report then | 17:13 |
Lumiere | and mine | 17:13 |
Lumiere | ;) | 17:13 |
th1a | OK. Sounds like we all have plenty to do. | 17:13 |
th1a | Anything else? | 17:13 |
jelkner | so, no suggestions on who to call? | 17:14 |
Lumiere | jelkner / aelkner: you should probably start getting filip up to speed | 17:14 |
aelkner | don't forget ccarey | 17:15 |
Lumiere | yes | 17:15 |
Lumiere | get them both moving | 17:15 |
jelkner | ccarey has been asking me to start | 17:15 |
jelkner | i told him to wait | 17:15 |
jelkner | should we move ahead on that now? | 17:15 |
Lumiere | I think so | 17:15 |
Lumiere | even if they just start | 17:15 |
jelkner | who would work with him? | 17:15 |
aelkner | how about telling him to check out comp assignment | 17:15 |
Lumiere | jelkner: filip | 17:15 |
aelkner | i can answer emails | 17:15 |
Lumiere | and aelkner on email | 17:15 |
aelkner | but not much more than that | 17:15 |
th1a | You may need to and be able to get more out of those kids than you think, jelkner. | 17:16 |
aelkner | they wil have to be self-motivated a bit | 17:16 |
Lumiere | jelkner: you can get a bunch out of filip for sure | 17:16 |
Lumiere | ccarey was on sif integration | 17:16 |
Lumiere | so I didn't get to see as much from him | 17:16 |
aelkner | not only | 17:16 |
Lumiere | aelkner: I know, but I didn't see as much of his work | 17:16 |
aelkner | ignas can tell you he has done other things | 17:16 |
aelkner | so yes, they should pair | 17:17 |
aelkner | can we count on them to meet by phone if necessary to do this | 17:17 |
th1a | They're out of school now though, right? | 17:17 |
aelkner | they should be | 17:17 |
Lumiere | th1a: yes aelkner: likely, but you may have to call them or use skype | 17:17 |
aelkner | jelkner says ccarey asked him for work | 17:17 |
Lumiere | aelkner: they won't have long distance | 17:17 |
aelkner | skype, land line, whatever | 17:17 |
aelkner | but they will have to skype out | 17:18 |
jelkner | yes, they are out of school | 17:18 |
aelkner | cause i can't get skype to work on my machine | 17:18 |
aelkner | i tried contacting the skype help team, but they don't respond | 17:18 |
aelkner | but yes, i think an important start would be a conference call between me and the two of them, | 17:19 |
aelkner | to kick off what they do together this week | 17:19 |
aelkner | jelkner: would they noth be available | 17:19 |
aelkner | both | 17:19 |
jelkner | i can do a conference call today | 17:19 |
jelkner | it has to be this morning | 17:20 |
aelkner | so could you initiate that and conference me in? | 17:20 |
jelkner | give me about an hour to get in touch with everyone and i'll get back to you. | 17:20 |
aelkner | ok | 17:20 |
aelkner | remember to use my land line | 17:20 |
Lumiere | jelkner: poke me on irc before calling | 17:21 |
Lumiere | I will be in transit to acc | 17:21 |
Lumiere | and then trying to figure out what my priority list for today is | 17:21 |
Lumiere | Virtual NECC is a lot of my work this week | 17:22 |
wbrady | jelkner: what happened to cando.elkner.net? | 17:22 |
jelkner | wbrady: don't know | 17:23 |
jelkner | can't deal with it now | 17:23 |
jelkner | can you contact mattva01 | 17:24 |
ignas | jelkner: is there a page that sums up everything that Cando needs to get done before fall? | 17:24 |
wbrady | jelkner: ok | 17:24 |
Lumiere | ignas: I can share the google doc with you | 17:24 |
aelkner | i wrote a long email | 17:24 |
Lumiere | if you pm me a google account | 17:24 |
aelkner | after the first week of may sprint withy eldar | 17:24 |
th1a | aelkner: Came across this this morning: http://solr.bccampus.ca/wiki/index.php/CASify_this_mediawiki | 17:25 |
aelkner | are we interesting in casifying that wiki? | 17:26 |
Lumiere | aelkner: it describes a process to add CAS | 17:27 |
Lumiere | to mediawiki | 17:27 |
aelkner | and? | 17:27 |
Lumiere | which could be extrapolated to other things | 17:27 |
Lumiere | (or am I off target th1a) | 17:27 |
aelkner | not to moodle and drupal | 17:27 |
aelkner | it | 17:27 |
aelkner | it's a case by case basis | 17:28 |
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Lumiere | oh shit... it's paul flint | 17:28 |
Lumiere | RUN | 17:28 |
flint | th1a, | 17:28 |
flint | th1a, Tom, I got a thing for you... | 17:28 |
flint | Lumiere, Jason be nice! | 17:28 |
th1a | Oh, Christ who let him in? | 17:28 |
Lumiere | lol | 17:28 |
th1a | aelkner: fyi just something that came through my google reader on a subject you're currently working on (PHP & CAS). | 17:29 |
aelkner | got it | 17:30 |
flint | th1a, veni, vini, pissoff | 17:30 |
th1a | aelkner does not like begin provided with spurious data. | 17:30 |
th1a | What's up? | 17:30 |
th1a | How's scary Barre? | 17:30 |
flint | th1a, you know http://plone.specialtyjobmarkets.com/ ? | 17:31 |
th1a | No. | 17:31 |
flint | th1a, Chris Lozinski is the man. | 17:31 |
flint | th1a, give him my kindest regards... | 17:32 |
th1a | Chris Lozinski? | 17:32 |
flint | th1a, Barre is still scary. I want to throw a Zope 3 conference up here someday. | 17:32 |
* th1a is going to have to go watch Vivian shortly... | 17:33 | |
flint | th1a, real good zope hack... out on the left coast. | 17:33 |
th1a | ignas: Are there instructions for getting the CanDo branch running in your docs? | 17:33 |
ignas | th1a: nope, but if you have schooltool sandbox | 17:33 |
ignas | adding cando to it is very easy | 17:33 |
Lumiere | th1a: it runs like old schooltool trunk | 17:33 |
th1a | flint: Oh, you need to be jelling jelkner, not me. | 17:34 |
ignas | Lumiere: not that branch | 17:34 |
flint | th1a, enjoy Vivian, and send me some mail... | 17:34 |
flint | sksk | 17:34 |
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ignas | Lumiere: that branch runs like new schooltool trunk | 17:34 |
th1a | Lumiere: Oh, crap. | 17:34 |
th1a | ignas: Yay! | 17:34 |
ignas | th1a: "svn co svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/cando/branches/cando-buildout-integration cando" | 17:34 |
ignas | and add that directory to develop | 17:34 |
ignas | and add "cando" to the scripts, tests and etc. | 17:34 |
th1a | in which file? | 17:34 |
ignas | buildout.cfg | 17:35 |
th1a | OK. | 17:35 |
ignas | just like you do with "schooltool" checkout | 17:35 |
th1a | I need to go babysit while Jennifer goes to the dentist. | 17:35 |
ignas | ok | 17:35 |
th1a | ttyl | 17:35 |
ignas | if you'll have any questions - just email | 17:35 |
Lumiere | I need to go get ready to head to work | 17:35 |
Lumiere | I'll be on skype/email/irc about noon | 17:35 |
aelkner | bummer, George Carlin just died | 17:37 |
aelkner | he was a big hero of mine | 17:37 |
Lumiere | yea I got the email from WP | 17:38 |
aelkner | he was like the continuation of Lenny Bruce | 17:39 |
aelkner | i'll miss his social commentary | 17:40 |
ignas | indeed, I have only seen him on youtube, but I liked what I saw... | 17:46 |
Lumiere | back | 19:38 |
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Lumiere | hi fsufitch | 22:37 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: hi! | 22:37 |
fsufitch | long time no talk | 22:37 |
fsufitch | is aelkner around? | 22:37 |
fsufitch | ah well, he's not responding to his name being used | 22:38 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: is the branch we're supposed to be using https://svn.schooltool.org/cando/trunk ? | 22:38 |
Lumiere | uh... it is cando-buildout-integration still | 22:41 |
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fsufitch | okay | 22:42 |
aelkner | i'm here | 22:42 |
fsufitch | thanks, cuz trunk is broken out of the box | 22:42 |
th1a | There are some instructions from ignas to me from this morning (on IRC) that might be what you need. | 22:43 |
fsufitch | th1a: thanks! | 22:43 |
th1a | Well, I'm just trying it now, too... | 22:43 |
th1a | So I'll let you know shortly if it works. | 22:44 |
th1a | Hm... I'm confused... | 22:46 |
aelkner | what about | 22:46 |
th1a | what I'm supposed to be doing with buildout.cfg | 22:46 |
aelkner | i'm going to paste mine | 22:48 |
lisppaste5 | aelkner pasted "cando buidout.cfg" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62731 | 22:49 |
th1a | Well, I guess I'm confused because mine looks like that out of the box. | 22:51 |
aelkner | so maybe we didn't need to change anything | 22:51 |
aelkner | try bin/buildout | 22:51 |
th1a | That's always a good problem to have. | 22:51 |
th1a | Ran 177 tests with 3 failures and 0 errors in 1.461 seconds. | 22:52 |
aelkner | try make run | 22:52 |
th1a | Ooh... CanDo tab... | 22:54 |
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th1a | Oooh... traversal error when I hit it. | 22:54 |
th1a | Eep. | 22:54 |
aelkner | are you loggin in as manager? | 22:54 |
th1a | Yeah. | 22:56 |
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aelkner | th1a: did you start from scratch with a fresh db? | 22:59 |
th1a | Fresh checkout. | 23:00 |
aelkner | could you paste your traversal error | 23:00 |
th1a | Oh... | 23:00 |
th1a | TraversalError: (<zope.traversing.interfaces.TraversalError instance at 0xaa86c4c>, 'bugs.gif') | 23:00 |
th1a | That's truly odd. | 23:01 |
aelkner | that's not much for me to go on | 23:01 |
aelkner | could you paste the whole traceback? | 23:02 |
aelkner | using lisppaste, of course | 23:02 |
th1a | Let me start over again... | 23:02 |
aelkner | ok | 23:02 |
aelkner | filip: how about you? | 23:02 |
fsufitch | aelkner: | 23:02 |
fsufitch | yt? | 23:02 |
fsufitch | aelkner: i have an issue getting zope.ucol | 23:03 |
th1a | aelkner: Do you have a working version of this? | 23:03 |
aelkner | yes, on alan.elkner.net | 23:03 |
aelkner | i should give you an account | 23:03 |
aelkner | on sec | 23:03 |
aelkner | what user id do you prefere, thoffman? | 23:03 |
th1a | I don't need an account. | 23:04 |
th1a | Just wanted to know if you had a working version for comparison. | 23:04 |
aelkner | we do | 23:04 |
aelkner | but you don't want to cimpare? | 23:04 |
aelkner | that's why i was gong to give you an account | 23:05 |
aelkner | fsufitch: what iddue? | 23:05 |
fsufitch | aelkner: my id is filip | 23:05 |
aelkner | fsufitch: why are you telling me your id? | 23:06 |
fsufitch | whatis "iddue" then? | 23:06 |
fsufitch | i'm confused | 23:06 |
aelkner | issue | 23:06 |
fsufitch | brb | 23:06 |
aelkner | sorry, typo | 23:06 |
fsufitch | oh! | 23:06 |
fsufitch | "Couldn't install: zope.ucol 1.0.2" | 23:07 |
aelkner | check out the make ubuntu environment rule in the make file | 23:07 |
fsufitch | kk | 23:07 |
fsufitch | wat about it? | 23:08 |
fsufitch | oh, run it | 23:09 |
aelkner | yeah, i guess | 23:09 |
aelkner | it might help get bin/buildout to work | 23:10 |
fsufitch | aelkner: it'll need these packages though ;) | 23:13 |
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aelkner | fsufitch: i don't know what to tell you, i always ask ignas when bin/buildout doesn't work | 23:14 |
aelkner | have you tried comparing with the one on alan.elkner.net? | 23:15 |
aelkner | fsufitch: that's all i can recommend | 23:15 |
fsufitch | okay | 23:16 |
Lumiere | bbl | 23:48 |
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