| ignas | th1a: Success as in zodb was build or Success as in - schooltool-2008 works on hardy? | 00:37 |
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| ignas | th1a: i have created new debian packages for all of the schooltool eggs that have been updated since the last release and have uploaded them for gutsy | 01:28 |
| ignas | th1a: i will test them and if they work i will upload them for hardy | 01:28 |
| ignas | so in the worst case we will have a complete 2008.04 release in 6 hours | 01:29 |
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| rhineheart_m | hello.. anybody here awake? | 02:36 |
| rhineheart_m | Can you point to me a live demo/a site running schooltool? | 02:37 |
| ignas | don't think there is an up to date version | 02:40 |
| ignas | and schooltool has changed a lot in the last month | 02:40 |
| rhineheart_m | uhuh.. what do you mean changed a lot? not anymore distributed for free? | 02:41 |
| ignas | i mean - the UI | 02:42 |
| rhineheart_m | what's UI? | 02:42 |
| ignas | user interface | 02:42 |
| ignas | the way everything looks | 02:42 |
| rhineheart_m | okay. do you have a live site running it? | 02:42 |
| ignas | nope, not at the moment | 02:43 |
| rhineheart_m | I just really want to see how it looks like and its functions | 02:43 |
| rhineheart_m | are you not using it? | 02:43 |
| ignas | well - there is a live site, but it is used by a school | 02:43 |
| ignas | so all the data is confidential | 02:43 |
| ignas | and we don't have a demo site at the moment | 02:44 |
| ignas | because these are like last hours before our release | 02:44 |
| rhineheart_m | no problem. But can you give me the link? | 02:44 |
| rhineheart_m | I will just try to see even its login page | 02:44 |
| rhineheart_m | and how the school deploys it. | 02:45 |
| ignas | let me start up a demo for you | 02:45 |
| rhineheart_m | wow! thanks a lot | 02:45 |
| ignas | old one | 02:45 |
| ignas | but still something | 02:45 |
| rhineheart_m | how long do I wait? | 02:45 |
| ignas | depends on how good my internet connection is | 02:46 |
| rhineheart_m | okay. hope not too long | 02:46 |
| rhineheart_m | how's it? | 02:49 |
| ignas | soon i hope | 02:50 |
| ignas | is starting up | 02:52 |
| rhineheart_m | how soon? | 02:52 |
| rhineheart_m | wow! | 02:52 |
| rhineheart_m | link please | 02:52 |
| ignas | http://ignas.pov.lt/stdemo/ | 02:52 |
| ignas | it's not there yet though | 02:52 |
| rhineheart_m | Service Temporarily Unavailable | 02:52 |
| ignas | now it's there | 02:53 |
| ignas | but the UI is totally outdated | 02:54 |
| ignas | so it looks quite differently now | 02:54 |
| rhineheart_m | its okay.. | 02:54 |
| ignas | log in as teacher007 with a password teacher007 | 02:54 |
| ignas | for example | 02:54 |
| rhineheart_m | thank you | 02:55 |
| rhineheart_m | I will let you know my experience | 02:55 |
| ignas | i think it is a bit lithuanian though ;) | 02:55 |
| ignas | but not too much ;) | 02:55 |
| rhineheart_m | where can I get the latest version? | 02:55 |
| ignas | if you are using ubuntu | 02:55 |
| ignas | you can apt-get install it from schooltool ppa archive | 02:56 |
| rhineheart_m | is it the latest version there? | 02:56 |
| ignas | gutsy - yes | 02:56 |
| ignas | hardy - will be there in an hour or more | 02:56 |
| rhineheart_m | really? with the new UI? | 02:56 |
| ignas | yes | 02:56 |
| ignas | as i have said | 02:56 |
| ignas | last hours of our release | 02:56 |
| ignas | tomorrow we are releasing the thing | 02:57 |
| ignas | so you could just wait a bit | 02:57 |
| ignas | and get all the up to date instructions | 02:57 |
| ignas | with explanations and stuff | 02:57 |
| th1a | I've actually stopped payment on our old demo server. | 02:57 |
| th1a | I'll have to get a new one at some point. | 02:57 |
| ignas | https://edge.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive | 02:57 |
| ignas | oh | 02:57 |
| ignas | hmm, it's an "edge" feature | 02:58 |
| th1a | Can't you just take the "edge" out? | 02:58 |
| ignas | yes I can | 02:58 |
| ignas | https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive | 02:58 |
| ignas | th1a: just uploaded new packages for hardy | 02:58 |
| ignas | they work on gutsy | 02:58 |
| ignas | so I hope they will work on hardy as well | 02:58 |
| rhineheart_m | okay. I will be installing it later when I get to work | 02:59 |
| rhineheart_m | I have gutsy server | 02:59 |
| rhineheart_m | well, can it possibly work in debian? | 02:59 |
| ignas | if you know how to build debian packages from sources | 02:59 |
| ignas | yes it can | 02:59 |
| ignas | but it's a lot of work | 03:00 |
| rhineheart_m | sudo apt-get install schooltool <<<< | 03:00 |
| ignas | on gutsy - sudo apt-get install schooltool-2008 | 03:00 |
| ignas | then open localhost:7080/ in your browser | 03:00 |
| rhineheart_m | is it secured? | 03:00 |
| ignas | no it's not under https by default | 03:00 |
| ignas | you have to use apache proxy/mod_rewrite | 03:01 |
| ignas | for ssl | 03:01 |
| ignas | i don't know how but it is possible ;) | 03:01 |
| rhineheart_m | E: Couldn't find package schooltool-2008 here.. | 03:01 |
| th1a | rhineheart_m: This is still an alpha release. | 03:02 |
| ignas | look at https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive | 03:02 |
| ignas | apt sources.list entries | 03:02 |
| ignas | you have to add them to your apt sources list | 03:02 |
| ignas | one way or another | 03:02 |
| rhineheart_m | what do you mena? | 03:03 |
| rhineheart_m | I can't get it with apt-get install | 03:03 |
| ignas | it is not in the official distribution | 03:03 |
| ignas | but you can either edit /etc/apt/sources.list | 03:03 |
| ignas | by hand | 03:03 |
| ignas | or use System -> Administration -> Software Sources thingie | 03:04 |
| rhineheart_m | th1a, what's your point? | 03:04 |
| ignas | to add schooltool Packages Archive so it would be available on your system | 03:04 |
| rhineheart_m | okay. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 03:04 |
| th1a | Oh, I mean, you shouldn't be putting any data in it that requires SSL. | 03:04 |
| rhineheart_m | th1a, that's something that I can't understand.. | 03:05 |
| rhineheart_m | can you make it clear please? | 03:05 |
| th1a | Ah... I mean, if you're just testing it, you shouldn't need SSL (yet). | 03:06 |
| th1a | When it is ready for real use, we'll have instructions for SSL. | 03:06 |
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| ignas | th1a: hardy release is out | 03:19 |
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| ignas | th1a: could you test it please | 03:25 |
| ignas | it might take a while to start up if you have sample data in the database | 03:26 |
| ignas | but other than that everything should be working | 03:26 |
| ignas | and hopefully we can mark a few dozens of Fix commited bugs as Fix Released bugs ;) | 03:26 |
| th1a | ignas: OK, back... | 04:07 |
| ignas | th1a: does it work? | 04:14 |
| th1a | I think it is starting... | 04:15 |
| th1a | Is it doing a generation update? | 04:16 |
| ignas | yes | 04:17 |
| ignas | first time users will not have to wait that long | 04:17 |
| ignas | it's mostly for non-ubuntu users | 04:17 |
| ignas | so we could divide them into "pre release" and "release" ones | 04:18 |
| ignas | it goes through all the objects in ZODB, so it is quite slow if you have sample data generated | 04:18 |
| th1a | So should this include all the recent fixes? | 04:20 |
| ignas | it is the trunk | 04:20 |
| ignas | so - yes | 04:21 |
| ignas | every single one of them is in there | 04:21 |
| th1a | Hm... taking up quite a bit of memory to make that change... | 04:22 |
| ignas | well - your database is quite bif | 04:22 |
| ignas | big | 04:22 |
| ignas | it's 2 years of data | 04:22 |
| th1a | Yes. | 04:22 |
| th1a | Will that go back down at some point? | 04:23 |
| ignas | so it's kind of a stress test | 04:23 |
| ignas | yes, i think so | 04:23 |
| ignas | as soon as ZODB cache clears up | 04:23 |
| th1a | I'll know when it happens because my computer will start working smoothly again ;-) | 04:23 |
| ignas | ouch | 04:24 |
| ignas | you could have deleted the old Data.fs | 04:24 |
| ignas | but i guess stress testing is good too | 04:24 |
| th1a | It should be at port 7080? | 04:26 |
| ignas | yes | 04:27 |
| ignas | if it's not | 04:27 |
| ignas | sudo less /var/log/schooltool/paste.log | 04:28 |
| ignas | to see what's the status | 04:28 |
| ignas | it either has a traceback in the end or "Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool-2008/main.conf" if it is starting | 04:28 |
| ignas | or Starting server in PID 16087. if it's up (i think) | 04:28 |
| th1a | Weird. | 04:29 |
| th1a | Nothing in the log to indicate a problem. | 04:29 |
| ignas | hmm | 04:29 |
| ignas | what does top say? | 04:29 |
| ignas | is python2.4 anywhere around the top? | 04:30 |
| th1a | It was, then it wasn't, and it didn't come up. | 04:30 |
| th1a | I just restarted and it is churning away again. | 04:30 |
| ignas | hmm | 04:31 |
| ignas | sudo less /var/log/schooltool/schooltool-2008-error.log | 04:31 |
| th1a | Nothing of interest. | 04:31 |
| th1a | Should I delete my Data.fs? | 04:32 |
| ignas | yeah, sudo /etc/init.d/schooltool-2008 stop | 04:32 |
| ignas | rm /var/lib/schooltool/schooltool-2008-Data.fs | 04:33 |
| ignas | or sudo rm | 04:33 |
| th1a | This is really freaking out my computer. | 04:37 |
| ignas | the upgrade a huge ZODB in one go thing? | 04:37 |
| ignas | :/ | 04:37 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 04:37 |
| ignas | i'll have to try reducing the memory footprint of this operation | 04:38 |
| ignas | if that is possible | 04:38 |
| ignas | i am not sure how savepoints work in evolution scripts | 04:38 |
| th1a | It is weird because it isn't going far into swap for some reason. | 04:38 |
| ignas | i would try removing some ram chips to debug the problem | 04:39 |
| ignas | but my pc just locks up if anything reaches swap | 04:39 |
| ignas | :/ | 04:39 |
| th1a | Well, I quit firefox, that'll clear some space. | 04:39 |
| ignas | but maybe i'll do that | 04:39 |
| ignas | not today probably, i don't want to hose up my PC the day we release | 04:39 |
| ignas | just in case we'll have to fix a bug or two | 04:40 |
| th1a | It is like for some reason Linux doesn't want to swap out any of SchoolTool. | 04:40 |
| ignas | interesting :/ | 04:40 |
| ignas | i find the lack of error reporting quite strange | 04:40 |
| ignas | what was the last line in the paste.log? | 04:41 |
| th1a | I think it was still working before but somehow memory or io bound. | 04:41 |
| ignas | yeah, if python goes into swap | 04:41 |
| ignas | it starts hosing your hard drive, while not using CPU | 04:42 |
| th1a | Yes, I guess it is probably swapping parts of SchoolTool in and out. | 04:42 |
| th1a | I'm curious to see if it resolves now. | 04:45 |
| th1a | I don't think it will burn out my hard drive... | 04:45 |
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| th1a_ | Well, it seems to hit a point where it stops dead and just thrashes. | 04:53 |
| ignas | ouch | 04:54 |
| ignas | i guess your old database will have to wait for savepoints | 04:55 |
| ignas | i will come up with an evolution script that you can try out in your stapp buildout | 04:55 |
| ignas | with sample data on | 04:55 |
| ignas | tomorrow probably | 04:55 |
| ignas | or just commit it + release it | 04:56 |
| ignas | if i'll be confident that it works | 04:56 |
| ignas | though - none of our users have databases | 04:56 |
| ignas | but getting it out of the way now | 04:56 |
| ignas | is better than having problems in 6 months | 04:56 |
| th1a | True. | 04:56 |
| ignas | for now you sohould probably just stop the server somehow | 04:57 |
| ignas | and back up your old Data.fs | 04:57 |
| ignas | for testing purposes | 04:57 |
| th1a | Uh... I already trashed it, unfortunately. | 04:58 |
| ignas | not a problem | 04:58 |
| ignas | it's easy to reproduce | 04:58 |
| th1a | Another of today's accomplishments: http://vivtext.blogspot.com/2008/04/no-problem.html | 05:00 |
| ignas | very cute | 05:01 |
| ignas | th1a: so - did it start up and can I go sleep some more? ;) | 05:15 |
| th1a | Oh, yes. | 05:15 |
| th1a | Generating fresh sample data. | 05:15 |
| th1a | Go to sleep! | 05:15 |
| ignas | so do we have a hardy release? | 05:15 |
| th1a | As far as I can tell. | 05:15 |
| th1a | Do we have a Gutsy release? | 05:16 |
| ignas | yeah, it works on gutsy | 05:16 |
| ignas | tested it on gutsy first | 05:16 |
| ignas | and only when i was sure that it works, uploaded schooltool-2008.04 for hardy | 05:16 |
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| ignas | actually the update release bit took less than 2 hours including PPA delays and package propagation | 05:17 |
| th1a | Cool. | 05:18 |
| ignas | so if we will have to make a bugfix release it's less than 2 hours from the commit to the "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" | 05:18 |
| th1a | Excellent. | 05:19 |
| ignas | good night | 05:19 |
| th1a | Thanks! Great work, Ignas! | 05:20 |
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| th1a | I'll be working on various announcements, etc., all day, but if you didn't know it, you can now apt-get install schooltool-2008 if you add our PPA to your sources list. See: https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive | 16:45 |
| th1a | Thanks to ignas and jinty! | 16:46 |
| * th1a first has to get some coffee and diapers, however. | 16:52 | |
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| *** Lumiere changes topic to "SchoolTool development | launchpad-ppa for SchoolTool-2008 is now available | IRC logs at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/ | SchoolTool Dev meetings Mon, 13:30 UTC (15:30 EET, 9:30 EST) | CanDo Dev meetings Mon, 2000 EST (Tuesday 0000 UTC, 0200 EET) | Use http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool for pasting | Write more unit and functional tests! Yes, you! | Build Status: http://source.schooltool.org/buildbot" | 18:06 | |
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| ignas | th1a: when is the deadline for the things that aelkner is working on? | 18:30 |
| ignas | th1a: i am very seriously thinking about switching schooltool trunk to bzr | 18:31 |
| ignas | but i want to wait for a calm period ;) | 18:31 |
| th1a | I'd be in favor of ripping off the scab. | 18:31 |
| th1a | I think he's got another week. | 18:32 |
| ignas | "ripping of the scab" ? | 18:32 |
| th1a | Uh... ripping it off rather than picking at it... | 18:33 |
| th1a | It is going to hurt, but just do it. | 18:33 |
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| aelkner_ | ignas: my deadline in may 1 for most of the features | 18:33 |
| th1a | Probably ripping off the bandage is a better metaphor. | 18:33 |
| aelkner_ | but i will be continuing to enhance the system as they give me feedback | 18:33 |
| aelkner_ | why do you ask? | 18:33 |
| th1a | Trying to pick a time to completely ditch svn for bzr. | 18:34 |
| aelkner_ | why do we have to ditch svn | 18:34 |
| aelkner_ | i like the interface | 18:34 |
| aelkner_ | for looking at the repository on line | 18:35 |
| th1a | There are tools for doing that with bzr. | 18:35 |
| aelkner_ | are they as clean and easy to use? | 18:35 |
| ignas | aelkner_: because even the last sprint was a major pain for me when i had to integrate all the changes | 18:35 |
| aelkner_ | whcih question were you answering | 18:36 |
| ignas | aelkner_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/lyceum/files | 18:36 |
| ignas | the one that is asking - why we need that | 18:36 |
| aelkner_ | where do i go to to get a list of revisions? | 18:37 |
| ignas | view branch changes | 18:37 |
| ignas | in the top | 18:37 |
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| spowers | is the launchpad ppa preferred to having schooltool in hardy? | 18:38 |
| aelkner_ | got it | 18:38 |
| th1a | spowers: No, but we just got it ready today. | 18:38 |
| spowers | oic | 18:38 |
| th1a | oic? | 18:38 |
| spowers | sorry, oh i see. | 18:39 |
| aelkner_ | actually looks pretty good | 18:39 |
| spowers | it's pretty early here. | 18:39 |
| th1a | spowers: We should have our beta in intrepid without much stress, though. | 18:40 |
| aelkner_ | th1a: could we delay the switch to bzr until after my May 7 meeting with the SLA staff where i train them? | 18:40 |
| spowers | ok | 18:40 |
| ignas | aelkner_: yes, no problem doing that | 18:40 |
| th1a | aelkner_: Yes, that's what we were asking you. | 18:40 |
| aelkner_ | cool | 18:41 |
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| aelkner_ | ignas: i noticed that we don't have zope.sendmail in the eggs directory | 19:08 |
| aelkner_ | i'll be needing to send emails from my app | 19:08 |
| ignas | your app? | 19:09 |
| aelkner_ | my package | 19:09 |
| ignas | just add the dependency to zope.sendmail in the setup.py of your package then | 19:09 |
| ignas | buildout will take care of it | 19:09 |
| aelkner_ | do you have an example of adding dependencies? | 19:11 |
| aelkner_ | i don't have anything in sla/setup.py that says dependencies | 19:11 |
| aelkner_ | where are all the other eggs defined? | 19:12 |
| * th1a is really happy that introspect is a button. | 19:12 | |
| th1a | People might actually use it now. | 19:12 |
| aelkner_ | ignas: i see schooltool's setup.py has an install_requires | 19:14 |
| aelkner_ | should i be adding the same thing to sla's setup.py? | 19:14 |
| ignas | yes | 19:14 |
| ignas | a dependency on schooltool | 19:14 |
| ignas | and a dependency on zope.server | 19:15 |
| ignas | zope.sendmzail | 19:15 |
| ignas | that is | 19:15 |
| aelkner_ | ah, i already have the install_requires that has schooltool, schooltool.gradebook, etc | 19:16 |
| ignas | problem solved ;) | 19:16 |
| aelkner_ | is that why it already gets all the eggs? | 19:16 |
| ignas | yes | 19:16 |
| aelkner_ | got it | 19:16 |
| ignas | schooltool depends on a lot of zope eggs, and these eggs depend on even more eggs, and so oyu get around 120 packages needed to install schooltool on hardy | 19:17 |
| aelkner_ | i like this setup.py system with its heirarchical handling of dependencies | 19:18 |
| aelkner_ | Got zope.sendmail 3.4.0! | 19:18 |
| ignas | aelkner_: and you were asking why is sla an egg ;) | 19:19 |
| aelkner_ | when did i ask that?! :) | 19:20 |
| ignas | should i find the specific line in irc logs? | 19:20 |
| ignas | ;) | 19:21 |
| aelkner_ | don't waste you time. i'm taking your word on it | 19:21 |
| th1a | ignas: Here's a bug... | 19:22 |
| th1a | Your School Server Running SchoolTool 2006.999-2007-alpha1 | 19:22 |
| th1a | Is that manually updated? | 19:22 |
| ignas | I am afraid it is | 19:22 |
| th1a | I assumed there was some jinty magic ;-) | 19:23 |
| ignas | will update in the next bugfix release | 19:25 |
| ignas | i have solved the evolution problem too | 19:26 |
| ignas | savepoints do work in evolution scripts | 19:26 |
| th1a | ignas: Are you leaving imminently (bed, food, etc.)? | 19:43 |
| ignas | quite soon | 19:43 |
| ignas | but i'll get online in like 30-40 minutes | 19:44 |
| ignas | after leaving | 19:44 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:44 |
| th1a | I'm just finishing the release announcement. | 19:44 |
| ignas | i see | 20:08 |
| ignas | i'll run home now, so see you soon | 20:08 |
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| aelkner_ | ignas: do you know how to add zcml directives to schooltool? | 21:14 |
| ignas | did that a couple of times i think | 21:14 |
| aelkner_ | i'm trying to use xmlns:mail="http://namespaces.zope.org/mail" | 21:14 |
| ignas | security policy does that | 21:14 |
| aelkner_ | but it says | 21:14 |
| aelkner_ | ConfigurationError: ('Unknown directive', u'http://namespaces.zope.org/mail', u'smtpMailer') | 21:14 |
| aelkner_ | ther must be something that i have to configure to get it to use mail directives | 21:15 |
| ignas | including meta.zcml | 21:15 |
| ignas | from zope.sendmail | 21:15 |
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| aelkner_ | where would i include zope.sendmail.meta.zcml? | 21:17 |
| aelkner_ | i found common/configure.zcml:8: <include package="zope.app.wfmc" file="meta.zcml" /> | 21:19 |
| ignas | in your sla configure.zcml | 21:19 |
| ignas | the application one | 21:19 |
| ignas | i'd guess | 21:19 |
| aelkner_ | or schooltool.intervention | 21:19 |
| ignas | or schooltool.intervention | 21:20 |
| aelkner_ | that worked. thanks. | 21:21 |
| ignas | new configuration declarations are included in meta.zcml's | 21:22 |
| ignas | you can't use them before thry are defined | 21:22 |
| ignas | meta.zcml is a zcml that defines zcml ;) | 21:22 |
| aelkner_ | i remember learning that when i was first absorbing the schooltool codebase | 21:26 |
| aelkner_ | but i then forgot it :) | 21:26 |
| aelkner_ | but it was quicker to learn this time around | 21:26 |
| th1a_ | ignas: See any glaring technical errors in the release notes? | 21:29 |
| ignas | reading | 21:30 |
| th1a_ | I've caught a few typos since I sent it. | 21:32 |
| ignas | looks good | 21:35 |
| aelkner_ | ignas: no that i'm sending emails to port 25 on localhost, i would have to have something running there, wouldn't i? :) | 21:37 |
| th1a_ | ignas: Thanks. | 21:37 |
| ignas | aelkner_, oooh, you have a fun problem :D | 21:37 |
| aelkner_ | do you know how i would set up an smtp server? | 21:37 |
| ignas | aelkner_, you will need a functional testing setup so you would not get emails when running tests too | 21:38 |
| aelkner_ | i won't have a problem there, cause i can register an adapter that doesn't talk to the outside world | 21:38 |
| ignas | aelkner_, nope, have no idea about smtp, but i know that somehow my PC is sending email ;) | 21:38 |
| ignas | aelkner_, you still need to have a way to access these emails in functional tests, just to see if they were sent | 21:39 |
| aelkner_ | maybe matt gallagher or jason would know? | 21:39 |
| ignas | but yeah, a special adapter in ftestingzcml is the way to go | 21:39 |
| aelkner_ | ignas: when you say you're PC is sending mail, how do you mean? i use gmail.com, so it's not my pc that sends the mail. | 21:43 |
| ignas | Ivija 360 does email | 21:44 |
| ignas | mutt does email too | 21:44 |
| ignas | can't recall what i did to make them do so | 21:44 |
| ignas | was like 2 years ago :/ | 21:44 |
| aelkner_ | well, this is going to be a nice lesson for me in setting up an smtp server. | 21:46 |
| th1a_ | aelkner_: Noooooo! | 21:47 |
| th1a_ | You've got sys admins for that. | 21:47 |
| aelkner_ | i was just going to call SLA :) | 21:48 |
| th1a_ | That's their problem. | 21:48 |
| aelkner_ | but i need to do the same on my machine for testing | 21:48 |
| aelkner_ | development | 21:48 |
| th1a_ | Running a local mailserver isn't hard. | 21:48 |
| th1a_ | Running one in the wild is. | 21:48 |
| th1a_ | Unless you want to serve spam to the universe. | 21:48 |
| aelkner_ | actually, i could use SLA mail server even from my chanine | 21:49 |
| aelkner_ | machine | 21:49 |
| ignas | setting up an smtp server on an ubuntu machine | 21:49 |
| ignas | should be very well documented | 21:49 |
| ignas | in wikis | 21:49 |
| aelkner_ | probably | 21:49 |
| aelkner_ | i'll research that as well as see what SLA does | 21:50 |
| aelkner_ | actually, it's the Franklin Institute, but same thing | 21:50 |
| th1a_ | Luckily you won't have to run sendmail, either way. | 21:51 |
| aelkner_ | how do you mean? the command line utility? | 21:53 |
| aelkner_ | th1a: ? | 22:07 |
| aelkner_ | th1a_: ? | 22:07 |
| th1a_ | Yes? | 22:07 |
| aelkner_ | you didn't answer my question | 22:08 |
| th1a_ | Just that sendmail is a famous hairball. | 22:08 |
| th1a_ | There are other alternatives now. | 22:08 |
| aelkner_ | is sendmail a command line utility? | 22:09 |
| th1a_ | That weren't as established when I was trying to run a mailserver for a school. | 22:09 |
| th1a_ | Well, it is a server. | 22:09 |
| th1a_ | It has a famous config file that requires a macro just to edit it. | 22:10 |
| aelkner_ | have you heard of postfix? | 22:11 |
| th1a_ | That's what sane people use today, I believe. | 22:11 |
| aelkner_ | looks easy to set up | 22:11 |
| aelkner_ | well, not easy, but not overly complicated | 22:12 |
| th1a_ | Unlike sendmail... | 22:12 |
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| aelkner_ | th1a_: question | 23:39 |
| th1a_ | Si? | 23:39 |
| aelkner_ | i found this page for setting up smtp: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/email-services.html | 23:40 |
| aelkner_ | under the section for reconfigure | 23:40 |
| aelkner_ | when it says rename mail.emample.com to your mail server name | 23:40 |
| aelkner_ | what could that mean? | 23:40 |
| aelkner_ | i don't have a mail server | 23:40 |
| aelkner_ | i'm trying to install one | 23:40 |
| th1a_ | Yes... if you were doing this on the internet, you'd have a domain and host name. | 23:41 |
| aelkner_ | in my case, can i leave it as is? | 23:41 |
| th1a_ | What is it? localhost? | 23:41 |
| aelkner_ | what is what? | 23:42 |
| aelkner_ | they say to replace mail.example.com with what? | 23:42 |
| th1a_ | Well, you could try localhost. | 23:42 |
| th1a_ | Or just the hostname of the system. | 23:43 |
| aelkner_ | ok, i'll try that | 23:43 |
| aelkner_ | how do i get the hostname of my system? | 23:43 |
| aelkner_ | typing hostname yields ubuntu | 23:43 |
| th1a_ | OK, that's your hostname then. | 23:43 |
| aelkner_ | ok | 23:44 |
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