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aelkner | ignas: can i ask you something? | 16:20 |
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ignas | yes | 16:20 |
aelkner | i rearranged my make file to make it easier for jeff to do updates | 16:21 |
aelkner | everything runs fine | 16:21 |
aelkner | but i get these six warnings that i wasn't getting before | 16:21 |
aelkner | bin/start-schooltool-instance instance | 16:21 |
aelkner | Reading configuration from /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/instance/schooltool.conf | 16:21 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:187: DeprecationWarning: IClientIdManager is deprecated. It has moved to zope.session.interfaces This reference will be gone sometimes. | 16:21 |
aelkner | return getattr(module, globalname) | 16:21 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:187: DeprecationWarning: CookieClientIdManager is deprecated. It has moved to zope.session.http This reference will be gone sometimes. | 16:21 |
aelkner | return getattr(module, globalname) | 16:21 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:187: DeprecationWarning: ISessionDataContainer is deprecated. It has moved to zope.session.interfaces This reference will be gone sometimes. | 16:21 |
aelkner | return getattr(module, globalname) | 16:21 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:187: DeprecationWarning: PersistentSessionDataContainer is deprecated. It has moved to zope.session.session This reference will be gone sometimes. | 16:21 |
aelkner | return getattr(module, globalname) | 16:22 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:181: DeprecationWarning: zope.app.error.interfaces has moved to zope.error.error. Import of zope.app.error.interfaces will become unsupported in Zope 3.6 | 16:22 |
aelkner | __import__(modulename) | 16:22 |
aelkner | /home/aelkner/buildouts/jelkner2007-buildout/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZODB/broken.py:181: DeprecationWarning: zope.app.error.error has moved to zope.error.error. Import of zope.app.error.error will become unsupported in Zope 3.6 | 16:22 |
aelkner | __import__(modulename) | 16:22 |
aelkner | i don't get them with my sla-buildout | 16:22 |
aelkner | which i haven't rearranged yet | 16:22 |
ignas | lisppaste5: url | 16:22 |
lisppaste5 | To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool and enter your paste. | 16:22 |
ignas | maybe cleaning eggs | 16:22 |
ignas | would cause these to disappear | 16:22 |
ignas | or appear | 16:22 |
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aelkner | yes, appear | 16:22 |
aelkner | i would say | 16:22 |
ignas | and - did you update both of them tu use [versions] instead of index? | 16:22 |
aelkner | yes | 16:23 |
ignas | quite interesting because both sandboxes should be identical | 16:24 |
ignas | bin/buildout -n in both of them | 16:24 |
ignas | just in case | 16:24 |
ignas | though | 16:24 |
aelkner | the thing is | 16:24 |
aelkner | even though both sandboxxes are the same | 16:24 |
aelkner | i haven't removed everything and started from scratch with sla-buildout yet | 16:24 |
aelkner | i bet that if i do, the same warnings will appear | 16:25 |
aelkner | i could try that in a different directory for a test | 16:25 |
ignas | they are harmless though | 16:25 |
aelkner | yes, they are | 16:25 |
aelkner | i was just hoping you had a simple fix in mind like somthing that you had to do before | 16:25 |
ignas | some package got updated and now is warning that ZODB is using a deprecated interface | 16:25 |
ignas | nope, no fix, it's a problem in ZODB | 16:26 |
aelkner | oh wait | 16:26 |
ignas | so we'll have to wait until zodb get | 16:26 |
ignas | gets updated | 16:26 |
Lumiere | it probably won't take long | 16:26 |
Lumiere | some ZODB developer will get pissed off at the warnings enough to fix em | 16:26 |
Lumiere | ;) | 16:26 |
aelkner | hopefully | 16:27 |
aelkner | jelkner: ayt? | 16:29 |
aelkner | i'll talk with jelkner after the meeting | 16:30 |
th1a | Good morning Gentlemen. | 16:31 |
aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
th1a | Hope you had a lovely weekend. | 16:31 |
th1a | aelkner: How are things going? | 16:32 |
aelkner | things are going quite well | 16:32 |
aelkner | last week i got the gradebook to work with tabs | 16:32 |
aelkner | and i got jelkner's package to not use dashboard | 16:32 |
aelkner | and use the tabs | 16:32 |
aelkner | as per his request | 16:33 |
aelkner | i still redirect away from the calendar | 16:33 |
aelkner | so managers get the Manage tab on log in | 16:33 |
aelkner | and all other users get the Gradebook | 16:33 |
aelkner | otherwise, i reworked the Makefile | 16:34 |
aelkner | to make it easier for Matt to update his instance | 16:34 |
aelkner | so he'll be follwing my instructions this morning | 16:34 |
aelkner | and it should work out fine | 16:34 |
aelkner | so i'll be able to focus on the csap starting today | 16:35 |
aelkner | so that's about it | 16:35 |
th1a | Glad you're back to 100%. | 16:35 |
aelkner | me, too | 16:35 |
th1a | ignas? | 16:36 |
ignas | still doing the release related work, repackaged most of the packages in our PPA | 16:36 |
ignas | now i think you can apt-get install zope.component + zope.testrunner ;) | 16:36 |
ignas | there are like 4 packages that are blocking most of the stuff though | 16:37 |
ignas | but i'll hopefully have them working soon | 16:37 |
ignas | looked at the bugs | 16:37 |
ignas | merged the rest of the patches from the sprint | 16:37 |
ignas | have a couple of fixes that i wanted to make in the pipeline | 16:37 |
Lumiere | ignas: shouldn't they be zope3-component and zope3-testrunner? | 16:37 |
ignas | as well as an idea about how to fix some of the bugs you have reported | 16:38 |
ignas | Lumiere: python-zope.component and python-zope.testrunner | 16:38 |
Lumiere | ah | 16:38 |
ignas | 1:1 mapping with egg names | 16:38 |
ignas | had to learn how to handle debian source packages | 16:39 |
ignas | that's it | 16:39 |
ignas | have to get zdameon, zodbcontrol, zodb, python-zope.annotation and python-zope.app.component running now | 16:40 |
th1a | I hope we only need one more nag to get Zope 3.4 final out -- hopefully srichter's new job won't screw things up. | 16:41 |
th1a | Did you notice we made nice at PyCon? | 16:41 |
* th1a is a fucking diplomat. | 16:41 | |
aelkner | i did notice | 16:41 |
ignas | :D | 16:41 |
th1a | Lumiere: Anything to report? | 16:42 |
Lumiere | not much... I'm attempting to get a full status on what the sprint did to cando | 16:42 |
Lumiere | but I think we may take a mini-vacation for a month or so | 16:42 |
th1a | So right now CanDo won't run on the trunk? | 16:43 |
Lumiere | I don't know for sure what is and isn't running | 16:43 |
th1a | What got Welsh wound up? | 16:43 |
Lumiere | hopefully tonight will be ok | 16:43 |
aelkner | Lumiere: aren't you supposed to hold off on updating cando | 16:43 |
aelkner | until eldar and i sprint on integrating | 16:44 |
aelkner | the new tabbed schooltool with it | 16:44 |
Lumiere | th1a: I think both of us were sort of hoping that people were looking at it during the sprint | 16:44 |
Lumiere | and would have an idea of what was up | 16:44 |
Lumiere | aelkner: I need to know now if we can or cannot work with trunk | 16:44 |
Lumiere | even before integration stuff happens | 16:44 |
th1a | I don't see any reason your old skin wouldn't work. | 16:44 |
aelkner | is cando using schooltool trunk? | 16:44 |
Lumiere | th1a: yea, the question is do our admin interface views work | 16:45 |
Lumiere | aelkner: yes | 16:45 |
Lumiere | has and will | 16:45 |
th1a | aelkner: There is no obvious reason they wouldn't. | 16:45 |
aelkner | i can't think of one | 16:45 |
aelkner | what exactly is the problem? | 16:45 |
Lumiere | aelkner: a complete and total lack of information | 16:46 |
th1a | OK. | 16:46 |
aelkner | you mean, it still works fine? | 16:46 |
th1a | That's easier to fix than code. | 16:47 |
ignas | Lumiere: which is why someone with some skill should look at the test failures on that branch | 16:47 |
ignas | Lumiere: and try fixing them | 16:47 |
ignas | Lumiere: i think it could be done in less than a day, if it can't - at least you will know that more things are broken than you imagined ;) | 16:47 |
Lumiere | ignas: yea... substantial gaps in test coverage... T_T | 16:47 |
ignas | Lumiere: ouch | 16:48 |
Lumiere | ignas: remember our ~60% coverage? | 16:48 |
ignas | Lumiere: maybe you are at least coviering most of the functionality | 16:48 |
Lumiere | aelkner: I have no idea what I mean because I don't know where I am sitting | 16:48 |
aelkner | i see | 16:48 |
th1a | OK, well, there isn't much more to say about this until someone takes a serious look at what's actually going on. | 16:48 |
Lumiere | I will hopefully know better today | 16:49 |
Lumiere | th1a: which is what I assigned filip and chris last week | 16:49 |
th1a | OK. | 16:49 |
Lumiere | I asked them to go through each view | 16:49 |
Lumiere | pre and post sprint | 16:49 |
Lumiere | and report what is and isn't working right | 16:49 |
Lumiere | so I can give a view of where we are to welsh and here | 16:49 |
th1a | So I broke through my coding block and made a checkin last week. | 16:50 |
th1a | I should be making a few more now. | 16:51 |
th1a | I'm more motivated to clean up CSS now that we've got the new navigation. | 16:51 |
th1a | I even got a new CSS book. | 16:51 |
Lumiere | I'm still a fan of blooberry | 16:52 |
Lumiere | for CSS stuff | 16:52 |
jelkner | th1a: ping me when you drop the bag of gravel | 16:52 |
aelkner | is that a web site? | 16:52 |
Lumiere | http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/ | 16:52 |
Lumiere | yes | 16:52 |
aelkner | cool | 16:52 |
Lumiere | it isn't quite up to date anymore | 16:52 |
Lumiere | but it is one of the best references I have ever found for both CSS and HTML | 16:53 |
th1a | These are the bugs I tagged for Hardy: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/schooltool/+milestone/hardy | 16:53 |
th1a | Or that were tagged for Hardy a while ago. | 16:55 |
th1a | I would like to clean up devmode if possible. | 16:56 |
th1a | I guess that might be a classic "easy fix that breaks 100 tests." | 16:57 |
th1a | OK, that's all I've got. | 16:58 |
aelkner | is that like the face that launched 1000 ships? | 16:58 |
ignas | not really | 16:58 |
ignas | more like 1-2 tests will break | 16:58 |
Lumiere | more like the face that sunk 1000 ships :) | 16:58 |
ignas | if you will fix devmode | 16:58 |
* Lumiere takes his sarcasm and stuffs it back in the closet | 16:59 | |
aelkner | ignas: i know why there are buildbot failures | 16:59 |
aelkner | i had to change policy_table.txt | 16:59 |
aelkner | becuase with the Gradebook tab and the Gradebook action link in the section view | 17:00 |
aelkner | there was a problem just clicking on 'Gradebook' | 17:00 |
aelkner | so i changed it to us 'inedx=1' | 17:00 |
ignas | i see | 17:00 |
aelkner | and that got it to work | 17:00 |
aelkner | but | 17:00 |
ignas | did you commit it? | 17:00 |
aelkner | of course not :) | 17:00 |
ignas | why not? | 17:00 |
aelkner | good question | 17:01 |
aelkner | but | 17:01 |
ignas | it's a test that directly depends on your code | 17:01 |
aelkner | the problem is | 17:01 |
aelkner | that the test depends on the presence of the schooltool.gradeboook | 17:01 |
ignas | yes, they do | 17:01 |
aelkner | and that isn't always the case | 17:01 |
aelkner | so i'm thinking | 17:01 |
* ignas has no time to refactor them out into the legacy_app egg | 17:02 | |
aelkner | that i could change the test to look for the link that has the matching url | 17:02 |
ignas | well - if it is testing gradebook security | 17:02 |
ignas | then you can assume that gradebook is in there | 17:02 |
ignas | of course if you would refactor security tests for gradebook security into some test in the schooltool.gradebook | 17:03 |
ignas | and remove all the gradebook related security tests from schooltool.securitypolicy it would be the best way to handle it ;) | 17:03 |
ignas | but i guess you don't have time for that as well | 17:03 |
aelkner | i don't, but | 17:03 |
aelkner | i'd like to make this point | 17:03 |
aelkner | the gradebook already tests certain things for the various users | 17:04 |
aelkner | would it be ok to just remove gradebook from schooltool's security tests | 17:04 |
ignas | if you feel safe about it - you can do that | 17:04 |
aelkner | ok | 17:05 |
aelkner | i can move the important logic into there | 17:05 |
aelkner | i'll do that today | 17:05 |
ignas | i'd be happy if schooltool functional tests would not depend on schooltool.gradebook anymore | 17:06 |
aelkner | so would i | 17:06 |
Lumiere | th1a: I don't know if we're ever going to get there... but do we have plans for getting someone to security audit us before 1.0? | 17:06 |
th1a | Not really. | 17:07 |
th1a | I mean, I'm open to suggestions. | 17:08 |
th1a | That would be something we'd do, say, next summer. | 17:08 |
Lumiere | yes | 17:08 |
th1a | Your interns seem to be pretty good at hacking BlackBoard. Can't we just use them? | 17:09 |
Lumiere | oO | 17:09 |
Lumiere | I just know that we will want to ensure that a production release of SchoolTool had the requisite security (and tested) in place :) | 17:09 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:09 |
th1a | Well, I'm open to suggestions of what to put in next year's budget. | 17:10 |
Lumiere | *suggests* | 17:10 |
th1a | SPECIFIC suggestions. | 17:10 |
Lumiere | ok | 17:10 |
th1a | Like, specific people and/or companies. | 17:10 |
th1a | I don't get the impression that there is any standard way of doing a security audit for open source applications. | 17:12 |
th1a | OK... anything else? | 17:12 |
th1a | Have a good week guys. | 17:13 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:13 | |
aelkner | you, too | 17:13 |
th1a | jelkner: Ping. | 17:13 |
ignas | Lumiere: got a spare intern maybe? | 17:15 |
ignas | Lumiere: i need one ;) | 17:15 |
Lumiere | ignas: I will likely not have anything for them for a month, but dwelsh was very clear that he didn't want to spend our *very* limited budget on non-cando things | 17:15 |
th1a | I can pay them. | 17:16 |
Lumiere | th1a: ignas which one you want :) | 17:16 |
Lumiere | th1a: ok ;) | 17:16 |
ignas | Lumiere: the one who will be the first to reply ;) | 17:17 |
ignas | Lumiere: i like the active ones best :D | 17:17 |
Lumiere | k | 17:17 |
jelkner | th1a: | 17:17 |
Lumiere | send me a note with what you need and I'll see who wants it tonight :) | 17:17 |
ignas | Lumiere: oh, and when it comes to cando - if i will have some time to spare, i might look at failing cando functional tests, but you know with all the work on my hands... ;) | 17:17 |
jelkner | i just saw your ping | 17:18 |
jelkner | i wanted to ask you about fossed | 17:18 |
jelkner | did david trask email u? | 17:18 |
Lumiere | yea I know | 17:18 |
th1a | I got his mass-email. | 17:18 |
Lumiere | ignas: I've been swamped too | 17:18 |
jelkner | thoughts on august? | 17:18 |
th1a | Wait, what's in August? | 17:19 |
jelkner | mass fossed | 17:19 |
th1a | Oh, that email. | 17:19 |
jelkner | yeah | 17:19 |
th1a | He's not running that one though, right? | 17:19 |
jelkner | that one ;-) | 17:19 |
jelkner | yes he is | 17:19 |
jelkner | it is the nh one, moved to mass | 17:20 |
th1a | OK. | 17:20 |
jelkner | that is not too bad a drive | 17:20 |
jelkner | we could attend | 17:20 |
jelkner | an hour and a half better than nh | 17:20 |
ignas | Lumiere: it was a hint ;) i mean - if you would have to pick between who is fixing cando and who is doing schooltool gruntwork... ;) | 17:20 |
th1a | jelkner: What's the objective? | 17:21 |
jelkner | well, sprinting, of course | 17:21 |
jelkner | but also | 17:21 |
th1a | On? | 17:21 |
jelkner | getting more teacher feedback | 17:21 |
jelkner | what do you mean? | 17:21 |
jelkner | whatever needs to be done at that time, i imagine | 17:22 |
jelkner | it is a little early to plan specific sprint goals | 17:22 |
th1a | Well, ironically, I'm feeling like I don't want to have too many "sprints" because I really want ignas "sprinting" himself at that point. | 17:22 |
th1a | I'll have to think about it. | 17:22 |
Lumiere | ignas: I am not going to have tons of fixing going on till after eldar comes back | 17:22 |
Lumiere | but if it takes 1 day of dev time | 17:23 |
Lumiere | to get back up and running | 17:23 |
Lumiere | I am going to do it | 17:23 |
jelkner | th1a: when is euro pycon? | 17:23 |
ignas | europython ;) | 17:24 |
jelkner | indeed ;-) | 17:24 |
jelkner | when is it? | 17:24 |
th1a | July 7-12 | 17:25 |
jelkner | th1a: cool | 17:25 |
th1a | I guess I should book my flight. | 17:25 |
jelkner | th1a: perhaps mass could focus on the competency component of schooltool | 17:26 |
th1a | Yeah... no. | 17:26 |
jelkner | ?? | 17:26 |
th1a | My point here is that as we get closer to 1.0 beta, we can only focus on 1.0 beta. | 17:26 |
th1a | See what I mean? | 17:27 |
jelkner | yes | 17:27 |
jelkner | i do | 17:28 |
jelkner | but i would still like to go to mass | 17:28 |
* Lumiere doesn't have money for mass | 17:29 | |
th1a | Yes... it strikes me as unlikely. | 17:30 |
Lumiere | bbiab | 17:32 |
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aelkner | i'm off to the doctors for some preventative medicine | 17:48 |
aelkner | be back betwen noon and 1:00 | 17:48 |
ignas | th1a: are you still there? | 18:13 |
th1a | Oh... I'm here. | 18:27 |
th1a | ignas. | 18:27 |
ignas | yes | 18:27 |
ignas | what do you think of that indian school system? | 18:27 |
ignas | Janatsu | 18:27 |
ignas | i have tried checking it out and starting, but was too lazy to hunt down all the dependencies needed to set it up | 18:33 |
ignas | their development sandbox is not very user friendly | 18:33 |
th1a | Oh... sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about. | 18:33 |
ignas | the email to schooltool mailing list | 18:33 |
ignas | about some other open source school administration system | 18:33 |
th1a | I went looking for one and then started reading my other mail... | 18:34 |
ignas | http://ekhayaict.com/wordpress/?p=78 | 18:34 |
th1a | OK. I see. | 18:35 |
ignas | Lumiere: all cando functional and unit tests are passing, you owe me an intern! ;) | 18:37 |
th1a | Where is the code? | 18:37 |
th1a | OK, found it. | 18:38 |
ignas | http://pantoto-lite.googlecode.com/svn/trunk | 18:38 |
th1a | svn checkout http://pantoto-lite.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ pantoto-lite | 18:42 |
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th1a | Er... wrong window. | 18:45 |
ignas | :) | 18:49 |
th1a | There is no comparison in the level of abstraction we use compared to any other open source SIS. | 18:51 |
th1a | We're WAY more abstract. | 18:51 |
th1a | I like this line: | 18:52 |
th1a | file = models.FileField(upload_to='/home/prashanth/python_ws/pantoto-lite/pantoto/media/uploads') | 18:52 |
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th1a | It doesn't appear to do anything at this point. | 18:59 |
ignas | oh | 19:01 |
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aelkner | mattva01: how's it going? | 19:23 |
mattva01 | lxml failed to install | 19:25 |
aelkner | during the make? | 19:25 |
mattva01 | yep | 19:25 |
aelkner | what was the failure? | 19:25 |
ignas | mattva01: sudo apt-get build-dep python-lxml | 19:25 |
mattva01 | yeah one sec , elkners apt list has no source listings | 19:26 |
aelkner | ignas: i thought buildout made it so one didn't have to apt-get install? | 19:27 |
ignas | you still need supporting libraries | 19:28 |
ignas | buildout only installs python eggs | 19:28 |
th1a | ignas: Based on my look at the code it doesn't do anything. | 19:28 |
th1a | Except build some frameworky things. | 19:28 |
ignas | it is not compiling all the C libraries schooltool or zope depends on | 19:28 |
ignas | th1a: i see | 19:28 |
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mattva01 | kk that worked | 19:35 |
aelkner | so make finsihed? | 19:35 |
mattva01 | yes | 19:37 |
mattva01 | now I have to wait for elkner to come to a break in his grading before transfering the data.fs | 19:39 |
jelkner | aelkner: yo, bro, how do i see a cando grade summary? | 19:43 |
jelkner | i've only got my cando class left to grade | 19:43 |
jelkner | where is that nice teacher report you wrote? | 19:44 |
aelkner | if you are done with the other grading, could you let matt shut it down to do the install? | 19:44 |
jelkner | yes, we can do that | 19:45 |
jelkner | as soon as he gets back | 19:45 |
jelkner | (he stepped out) | 19:45 |
aelkner | i'm starting my cando now | 19:45 |
jelkner | What do you want to do with this section? | 19:46 |
jelkner | * Evaluate student skills | 19:46 |
jelkner | * Grade skill drivers | 19:46 |
jelkner | * Work with messages | 19:46 |
ignas | aelkner: svn up it, i have fixed the functional tests | 19:46 |
jelkner | * View competencies | 19:46 |
jelkner | * Manage student enrollment | 19:46 |
aelkner | ignas: i'm not using the cando-buildout. is that what you maen? | 19:46 |
ignas | oh | 19:47 |
ignas | i sorry, i have assumed you were using the branch | 19:47 |
aelkner | jelkner: you have to be in the gradebook to get the reports in the actions menu | 19:48 |
aelkner | ignas: not yet | 19:49 |
jelkner | aelkner: how do i get to the gradebook? | 19:50 |
aelkner | jelkner: have you ever used cando before :) | 19:50 |
aelkner | anyway, the go interface is supposed to be easy enough to use | 19:51 |
aelkner | it should be self-explanatory | 19:51 |
aelkner | but understanding that you're under grading stress | 19:51 |
aelkner | pick a section and and choose 'evaluate student skills' | 19:52 |
jelkner | aelkner: not much | 19:52 |
jelkner | will brady does that | 19:52 |
aelkner | ah | 19:52 |
aelkner | so did you find it? | 19:52 |
jelkner | yup | 19:52 |
jelkner | thanks! | 19:52 |
aelkner | cool | 19:53 |
aelkner | mattva01: at what stage are you at the moment? | 19:54 |
mattva01 | sorry was talking with elkner | 19:55 |
aelkner | that'll slow you down every time :) | 19:55 |
mattva01 | about to shutdown server :) | 19:56 |
mattva01 | now transferring | 19:58 |
ignas | yippie python-zope.server inst installable using apt-get install from our PPA | 20:00 |
ignas | the only schooltool dependency left is python-zope.index, because it depends on zodb 3.8 | 20:00 |
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mattva01 | seems to have worked | 20:17 |
mattva01 | need elkners login to check though | 20:17 |
mattva01 | 6 deprecation warnings , like you said | 20:18 |
aelkner | great | 20:22 |
mattva01 | yo, bro | 20:47 |
mattva01 | (for those reading this log, this is jelkner, not mattva01) | 20:47 |
mattva01 | aelkner: yo bro | 20:47 |
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